TM 30 online registration only for hotels or house owners who rent out their house

[sumrit]

6 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

I was aware before entering Thailand of the Immigration requirements bestowed on foreigners and it's not a question of whether I agree or disagree, but whether the negatives of all these reporting requirements out ways the advantages of the positives of staying in Thailand.

I think we have all (eventually) found out the requirements after coming to Thailand, even the more obscure and unused ones like the TM30.

 

I've lived here for over fifteen years and, although I was aware of the TM30, TM28 among others, soon after arriving (and I have always had the forms stored on my laptop) they were never asked for by immigration in the past. Even when I applied for my yellow book and pink ID card they weren't needed. They only came to the fore about 3-4 years ago and I have no problem with conforming fully with the requirements. 

 

What's annoying is Immigration's inability to make the system easily accessible to all that might need to use it. 

[Tanoshi]

36 minutes ago, sumrit said:

I know it's a two part process. As I said in my first post I did receive and acknowledge the first email. 

Your waiting for a user ID and password from Sriracha Immigration, who appear to have an issue with registering other than Hoteliers or private households renting to foreigners as reported by the OP.

 

Perhaps Sriracha Immigration missed the local TV and press coverage a couple of months ago advising all private housing dwellers they must report foreigners (regardless of renting or otherwise), or perhaps they don't realise the online TM30 site has been updated to allow the individuals to file online, or they've missed the instructions from Lt-Gen Sompong Chingduang.

 

Whichever it's an issue you'll have to take up with them.

Edited August 8, 2019 by Tanoshi

[schlemmi]

11 minutes ago, sumrit said:

I do understand that, as I'm sure others do as well. But as an example of our situation this year:

When my daughter and family came in April, they were only here for ten days and visited Korat and Bangkok as well as stopping at our house. That meant we had to spend three mornings out of the ten in Si Racha immigration. Not ideal when they're only on a short Trip.

As I've got a friend and both my sons coming in individual trips over the next few months doing on line TM30's each time would be a lot more practical.

I did spend time checking things out, then did the on line application in June, which I thought would give plenty of time to complete.

But my mate arrives in just over a week and will spend time visiting family with his wife as well as staying with us in between. It will probably mean 5-6 visits over the month to immigration just to file his stays with us. On line would take five minutes. 

Just a simple example. If i woul visit thailand and stay at a hotel for two month. I check in and pay the bill in advanve. The hotel files the tm30 to inform the immigration about my arrival. I stay there a couple of days and found i shuld travel around a bit. Do so and stay at different hotels and return to the one i payed for two month already anf still registerd as guest. A short while later i start travelling again but now out out of thailand and returning to the same hotrl as before where iam still registered  as guest.

Homany tm30 will the hotel do. Howml many tm30 has the hotel to do?

[sussex]

1 hour ago, Tanoshi said:

Have you checked your spam folder.

Yes of course. No email for three days.

I might just re-apply as the status says 'waiting for confirmation' but I can't confirm the email if I don't receive anything.

[Oxx]

1 hour ago, sussex said:

I might just re-apply as the status says 'waiting for confirmation' but I can't confirm the email if I don't receive anything.

 

And if you try you'll discover that you can't.  You'll just get a message to the effect that your property has already applied for registration.  The whole thing's an absolute joke (and not of the funny kind).

[sumrit]

2 hours ago, schlemmi said:

Just a simple example. If i woul visit thailand and stay at a hotel for two month. I check in and pay the bill in advanve. The hotel files the tm30 to inform the immigration about my arrival. I stay there a couple of days and found i shuld travel around a bit. Do so and stay at different hotels and return to the one i payed for two month already anf still registerd as guest. A short while later i start travelling again but now out out of thailand and returning to the same hotrl as before where iam still registered  as guest.

Homany tm30 will the hotel do. Howml many tm30 has the hotel to do?

Problem with that idea is that as soon as you go to 'hotel 2' they will file a new TM30 which take preference over 'hotel 1'. That process will continue for hotels 3,4,5 etc. You might still be registered as a guest in hotel 1 but as far as the current TM30's go hotel 1 is now part of the TM30 history, it's not where you're currently registered as staying, the last hotel you registered at is. 

[sussex]

25 minutes ago, Oxx said:

 

And if you try you'll discover that you can't.  You'll just get a message to the effect that your property has already applied for registration.  The whole thing's an absolute joke (and not of the funny kind).

Actually you can edit your submission. So I have just done that and re-submitted, let's see if I get a confirmation email this time...

[Salerno]

3 hours ago, Oxx said:

Why are you acting as an apologist for a racist/xenophobic policy which has been implemented utterly incompetently?

Why are you living in a "racist/xenophobic" country?

[Oxx]

26 minutes ago, Salerno said:

Why are you living in a "racist/xenophobic" country?

 

It's not the country that's xenophobic - just a number of people, many of whom are amongst the elite.

 

You still haven't explained why you're acting as an apologist for the utterly pointless TM30.

[Salerno]

15 minutes ago, Oxx said:

You still haven't explained why you're acting as an apologist for the utterly pointless TM30.

You never asked me.

[GreasyFingers]

On 8/7/2019 at 4:34 PM, Peterw42 said:

They dont just hand out username and password.

You apply online at https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn24online/

You need to apply, provide documents to do with the property etc, then a password gets sent out a week later.

That site is in Thai. How do you change it to English?

[Salerno]

It's in Thai and English.

 

Edited August 8, 2019 by Salerno

[schlemmi]

1 hour ago, sumrit said:

Problem with that idea is that as soon as you go to 'hotel 2' they will file a new TM30 which take preference over 'hotel 1'. That process will continue for hotels 3,4,5 etc. You might still be registered as a guest in hotel 1 but as far as the current TM30's go hotel 1 is now part of the TM30 history, it's not where you're currently registered as staying, the last hotel you registered at is. 

How can you know that. Did you make the software or do work at the immigration so you may know the internals. Or its just your feeling?

 

Despite this, it was not the question. The question was how many tm30 the hotel would make and how many tm30 the hotel has to make.

[sumrit]

1 hour ago, schlemmi said:

How can you know that. Did you make the software or do work at the immigration so you may know the internals. Or its just your feeling?

Different Immigration Offices have different interpretations but, for many of them:

 

If you've filed a TM30 at your permanent residence that's even more permanent than booking and paying for a hotel room for a few weeks.

 

If you then go from your permanent residence and stay in a hotel in another area that hotel files a TM30 which replaces the one you had previously filed from your home. When you subsequently visit you local Immigration Office THEY HAVE THE HOTEL YOU STAYED AT as your most recent TM30 on file. You are liable to be fined for not updating your TM30.

 

It's the same process as you moving hotels. The Hotel 1 TM30 is removed and replaced by the subsequent one you checked into. 

[sumrit]

5 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

Your waiting for a user ID and password from Sriracha Immigration, who appear to have an issue with registering other than Hoteliers or private households renting to foreigners as reported by the OP.

 

Perhaps Sriracha Immigration missed the local TV and press coverage a couple of months ago advising all private housing dwellers they must report foreigners (regardless of renting or otherwise), or perhaps they don't realise the online TM30 site has been updated to allow the individuals to file online, or they've missed the instructions from Lt-Gen Sompong Chingduang.

 

Whichever it's an issue you'll have to take up with them.

Finally we're on the same page. This is exactly why I made my first post. 

 

I already know I have to go to Si Racha immigration but I specifically asked if anybody else from the Si Racha area had received an online username/password to get some background information before visiting them in person.

[KhaoYai]

On 8/7/2019 at 8:06 AM, schlemmi said:

If there is a housebook existing than the person who is stated as เจ้าเบ้าน is the person who has to act according article 38 of the immigration act. It does no matter if there is a dummy rental contract between him and his wife.

Nope, there is a power of attorney form specific for the purpose. In cases where registration is refused on those grounds, that form should be used together with a copy of the registered owner's ID card and their tabien baan.

Power-of-Attorney-Form for TM30.pdf

Edited August 8, 2019 by KhaoYai

[schlemmi]

3 minutes ago, sumrit said:

Different Immigration Offices have different interpretations but, for many of them:

 

If you've filed a TM30 at your permanent residence that's even more permanent than booking and paying for a hotel room for a few weeks.

 

If you then go from your permanent residence and stay in a hotel in another area that hotel files a TM30 which replaces the one you had previously filed from your home. When you subsequently visit you local Immigration Office THEY HAVE THE HOTEL YOU STAYED AT as your most recent TM30 on file. You are liable to be fined for not updating your TM30.

 

It's the same process as you moving hotels. The Hotel 1 TM30 is removed and replaced by the subsequent one you checked into. 

You can be shure, I am and you also are not liable to be fined to not updating via tm30. They could fine the hotel, not you not me.

 

[Peterw42]

5 minutes ago, schlemmi said:

You can be shure, I am and you also are not liable to be fined to not updating via tm30. They could fine the hotel, not you not me.

 

100s get fined everyday for not doing a TM30 when they return home from a hotel stay, the hotel where you stayed prior cannot update a tm30 report for where you live after leaving the hotel. Thats how immigration knows you haven't reported when you got home, the system still says you are in a hotel.

[schlemmi]

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

100s get fined everyday for not doing a TM30 when they return home from a hotel stay, the hotel where you stayed prior cannot update a tm30 report for where you live after leaving the hotel. Thats how immigration knows you haven't reported when you got home, the system still says you are in a hotel.

As you can read in my post very clear, I stated if a person stays in a hotel e.g. a tourist an start to travel around an than returns to his 1st hotel where he is still registered as guest...

 

I was not talking about a person returning to its permanent residence in TH.

 

Even more I not understand why some members can talk about the how and why it is as it is, by explaining it as they would know exactly how the internal data processing of the immigration works. Thats all guesswork. 

[schlemmi]

34 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

100s get fined everyday for not doing a TM30 when they return home from a hotel stay, the hotel where you stayed prior cannot update a tm30 report for where you live after leaving the hotel. Thats how immigration knows you haven't reported when you got home, the system still says you are in a hotel.

They also tried to fine me. I just denied to pay and promised to discuss this issue with the next higher administrations level. 

 

For those interested in I upload the letter I wrote. Only my name, address and the related immigration office is overwritten.

 

Furthermore I gave this document to the 2nd superintendent of a immigration I know about. He said, ok no reason to fine. 

TheDocumentAnonymized.pdf

Edited August 8, 2019 by schlemmi
Typo, added document. Additional text.

[anchadian]

For those that have a Twitter account then follow Richard Barrow.  It doesn't make good reading.

[ifmu]

here is the info we got from CM imm .. the owner of the house rented it to my thai wife .. she signs up for tm30 as possessor  than she will report me any time i reenter the country 

[Solinvictus]

I got something they can register..????

[Tanoshi]

21 minutes ago, Solinvictus said:

I got something they can register..????

Is that in 'lieu' of a TM30 ????

[4675636b596f75]

On 8/7/2019 at 11:18 AM, mrmicbkktxl said:

I don't have a rental contract

The answer is so simple. Pay her 1 baht rent.  Make a contract.

 

 

[Max69xl]

On 8/8/2019 at 8:40 AM, Antonymous said:

Riiiiight. Clear as mud then.

 

We have not registered. Wife owns our house (of course). When we stay in another province, wife makes booking and registers at that place in her name only on arrival. Nobody knows where I've been or when I get back. Has worked so far.

Shouldn't the hotels or guesthouses (if licensed), you visit with your wife, report you as a foreigner staying there? That's the whole idea with the TM30,report foreigners. 

[Max69xl]

On 8/8/2019 at 9:22 AM, wwest5829 said:

While the TM 30 is a problem in itself, Royal Thai Immigration needs to be kept being told the inconsistency in enforcement needs to be forcefully addressed from Bangkok headquarters directly to each regional immigration chief officers.

No thanks,at the moment in Jomtien Immigration, we don't have to submit a new TM30 if we go to another province and comes back to same address. We just do the next 90 days report.

[Max69xl]

On 8/8/2019 at 9:28 AM, mrmicbkktxl said:

I think this inconsistency is wanted,it opens the doors for kickbacks.

Another reason is that some immigration offices are actually smarter than CW Immigration in BKK. They realize the extra work (inconvenience) with the TM30 when expats travel in Thailand.

[Antonymous]

12 hours ago, Max69xl said:

Shouldn't the hotels or guesthouses (if licensed), you visit with your wife, report you as a foreigner staying there? That's the whole idea with the TM30,report foreigners. 

We usually rent holiday villas on a short basis (for about a month) from rental agents. All the paperwork is done online in a Thai name and my wife signs the contract when we arrive. No mention of the farang staying with her ????

 

Most hotels would insist on having the foreigners passport at check in, but some don't.

 

 

[Max69xl]

6 minutes ago, Antonymous said:

We usually rent holiday villas on a short basis (for about a month) from rental agents. All the paperwork is done online in a Thai name and my wife signs the contract when we arrive. No mention of the farang staying with her ????

 

Most hotels would insist on having the foreigners passport at check in, but some don't.

 

 

I understand totally what you mean, but you are still the one who's supposed to be reported,even if it's almost waterproof the way you do it. Small hotels under the radar are not licensed and therefore don't ask for your passport to do the TM30 report,some are just lazy. ????