August 10, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, atyclb said: criminal elements that are mexican. it is absurd to believe he meant all mexicans are criminals Yeh right it is. Back on topic, the white supremacist terrorist targeted people he believed to be immigrants, gunned them down in cold blood. His ‘manifesto’ is replete with Trump’s the hate filled language, the killer seems not to have recognised the distinction you are now offering as an excuse.
August 10, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: 11 minutes ago, atyclb said: it is a simple fact various hate/terror groups exist as well as extremely violent gangs. it is no single politicians fault that they exist. part of human nature is having ideology, some good, some bad, some indifferent. have any hate/ terror related mass shootings occur during the terms of presidents before trump ?? trump remarks about mexicans were directed at criminals. You are correct, racist and white supremacist groups existed before Trump, but I don’t recall any other US President race baiting, not do I recall any other racist mass killer parroting the words, terms and themes of any President other than Trump. This President with his ‘good people on both sides’ when one side are neo-Nazis, and his language of ‘infestation’, ‘animals’..... directed at immigrants is fanning the flames of race hate and has emboldened white supremacist. not everyone perceives/interprets trumps words as race baiting. ms13 is a gang that are indeed animals as well as other violent gangs. to say this is true is not an indictment of all immigrants.
August 10, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: 5 minutes ago, atyclb said: criminal elements that are mexican. it is absurd to believe he meant all mexicans are criminals Yeh right it is. Back on topic, the white supremacist terrorist targeted people he believed to be immigrants, gunned them down in cold blood. His ‘manifesto’ is replete with Trump’s the hate filled language, the killer seems not to have recognised the distinction you are now offering as an excuse. you are entitled to your perception as others are entitled to their perception.
August 10, 20196 yr Popular Post Just now, atyclb said: not everyone perceives/interprets trumps words as race baiting. ms13 is a gang that are indeed animals as well as other violent gangs. to say this is true is not an indictment of all immigrants. It’s not me or indeed you that was convinced otherwise, it was the white supremacist terrorist who gunned down people he believed to be immigrants. You need a better argument which such blood soaked evidence proving you wrong.
August 10, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, atyclb said: you are entitled to your perception as others are entitled to their perception. Who needs ‘perception’, we have the white supremacist terrorists own words along with the second hand words he got from Trump.
August 10, 20196 yr Popular Post 4 minutes ago, atyclb said: criminal elements that are mexican. it is absurd to believe he meant all mexicans are criminals Here is the entire text of Trump's campaign inaugurations speech. "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you...They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. " https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/06/16/full-text-donald-trump-announces-a-presidential-bid/ He goes on to say they're bringing drugs, crime. Some are rapist. At the closing he doesn't even say outright that some are good people But rather he assumes. As though that might be subject to doubt. Whereas his statement about crime, drugs, and rapists not qualified as assumptions. Just stated as outright facts.
August 10, 20196 yr 3 minutes ago, bristolboy said: He goes on to say they're bringing drugs, crime. Some are rapist. At the closing he doesn't even say outright that some are good people But rather he assumes. As though that might be subject to doubt. Whereas his statement about crime, drugs, and rapists not qualified as assumptions. Just stated as outright facts. i perceived that to mean good people also seek entry.
August 10, 20196 yr 5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: You are conflating all mass shootings with this mass shooting that was politically motivated and targeted at Hispanic immigrants. You are not the only one making this false association. This killer is a white supremicist following the pattern of targeted violence of other white supremicists. His politically motivated violence is not the same thing as a kid shooting up his school or a disgruntled worker shooting up his place of work. Don’t hide the violent white supremicist terrorism amongst other gun crimes. I was not conflating anything at all, that is your bias. Mine was an observation and a question. I was speaking about mass shootings>> nothing more nothing less, and the overall gun violence that is an obvious problem in the USA, much worse than any other Western Country.
August 10, 20196 yr 3 minutes ago, atyclb said: i perceived that to mean good people also seek entry. I notice you edited out Trump’s words.
August 10, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, RJRS1301 said: I was not conflating anything at all, that is your bias. Mine was an observation and a question. I was speaking about mass shootings>> nothing more nothing less, and the overall gun violence that is an obvious problem in the USA, much worse than any other Western Country. Yes gun violence is a problem, but this white supremacist terrorism is far from simply gun violence.
August 10, 20196 yr Look, it doesn't matter so much what is in "trump" mind. What matters in this context is that his constant hateful rhetoric has convinced white supremacists that he's on their side. The president sets the tone for the nation and the tone of this president is dangerously toxic DIVISION.
August 10, 20196 yr 8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: 11 minutes ago, atyclb said: not everyone perceives/interprets trumps words as race baiting. ms13 is a gang that are indeed animals as well as other violent gangs. to say this is true is not an indictment of all immigrants. It’s not me or indeed you that was convinced otherwise, it was the white supremacist terrorist who gunned down people he believed to be immigrants. You need a better argument which such blood soaked evidence proving you wrong there is no lack of white skin mexicans either. many 2nd and 3rd generation mexican americans. the shooter is a deranged troubled individual that may have used trump to try to rationalize the storm within his twisted mind. the left is now claiming it as prima facie proof it is trumps fault. keep in mind i am a democrat but do not agree with everything my party says. rock bands have been sued claiming their song lyrics led people to commit murder. have a nice weekend
August 10, 20196 yr Popular Post You're exaggerating. Nobody is saying "trump" pulled the trigger. What is being said is that his very sick hateful racist rhetoric was a CONTRIBUTING factor.
August 10, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, atyclb said: seems you are in uncontrolled hysteria parsing trumps words or anything to do with trump. ad hominem.
August 10, 20196 yr 8 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said: God help us all I agree with the rest you say but i am afraid there is no god to help you,you are on your own.
August 10, 20196 yr 8 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said: "...Texas shooting suspect told police he targeted 'Mexicans'..." Just like Trump... I have said it before and will say it again. Donald Trump is an ever-expanding cloud of toxic waste that defiles everything it touches. God help us all Frist, Trump didn't encourage anyone to shoot anybody. Second, the alleged gunman's reasons for deciding to target Mexicans are more complex than painted by the "Get Trump" lobby and their allies in the mass media. This is clear from Cruisius's manifesto. The title, 'The Inconvenient Truth About Me', reflects his environmental credentials, lifted as it obviously is from the name of the global warming gospel published by failed Democratic Presidentialcandidate-cum-climate-change-Messiah, Al Gore. In addition to being a global warming believer and anti-corporatist - not exactly badges of honour for a so-called right-winger - Crusius voices support for openly-socialist policies such as universal basic income and socialized medicine. The manifesto makes clear that his ideology has not changed for several years. He states that his “opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for President.” He goes on to prophesise, with uncanny accuracy: "I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump’s rhetoric.” Trump's robust pronouncements on illegal immigration have certainly done little to encourage racial tolerance, and if he is serious about uniting the nation he needs to curb his errant tongue. However, he has never advocated violence against Mexicans or anyone else, and cannot be held any more responsible for the massacre in El Paso than for the atrocities over the same weekend ascribed to a left-wing gunman in Dayton and individuals of unknown political persuasion in Chicago.
August 10, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, atyclb said: i perceived that to mean good people also seek entry. I have no doubt you did. The question is whether it's a valid perception given Trump's language. Trump doesn't qualify as uncertain his statements about Mexicans bringing crime and drugs and being rapists. The only statement that gets that treatment is the one about Mexicans being good people.
August 10, 20196 yr 8 hours ago, bendejo said: He does not speak to the NRA, they speak to HIM, and he has to listen. All the NRA has to do is put out the word "he's coming for your guns!" like they did continuously for Obama. And every time they did the shelves of the stores selling arms would be bare within days. Good times for the gun makers. Funny how people who have troubles making ends meet can cough up $400+ for another gun. There is a vid clip from one of DT's Apprentice-style cabinet meetings where they caught him saying "first we take the guns, THEN we do the due process." Why isn't Fox screaming about that one? I think DT should man up and allow (and encourage) people to open carry at his rallies. Why is it you assume that someone that can buy a gun is having difficulty making ends meet?
August 10, 20196 yr 41 minutes ago, bristolboy said: I have no doubt you did. The question is whether it's a valid perception given Trump's language. Trump doesn't qualify as uncertain his statements about Mexicans bringing crime and drugs and being rapists. The only statement that gets that treatment is the one about Mexicans being good people. He only assumed some were good people.
August 10, 20196 yr Popular Post 31 minutes ago, Longcut said: There were 24 mass shootings during Obama's term. But, there was never this much uproar. How many were targeting immigrants by a man parroting the President l’s anti immigrant rhetoric?
August 10, 20196 yr Popular Post 32 minutes ago, Longcut said: There were 24 mass shootings during Obama's term. But, there was never this much uproar. How many were racist based? How many under trump?
August 10, 20196 yr 8 hours ago, RJRS1301 said: Strange that it mainly (not exclusively) the USA which has continued mass shootings, what spurs this action by people who can buy these weapons? Mental health is not the sole reason, it is a complex issue requiring intense investigation and a willingness to LISTEN on all sides of the debate. I might even be that there are 340 MILLION guns (about) in possession of civilians? I was a hunter, and a marksman competitor in the USA, so I don't think it's the shotguns and single shot rifles that are causing the problems~it's common sense what the problem is, and a 13 year old could figure it out
August 10, 20196 yr *Deleted post edited out* The defendant made the statement to the police while he was being arrested at the scene. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/el-paso-suspect-said-he-was-targeting-mexicans-told-officers-he-was-the-shooter-police-say/2019/08/09/ab235e18-bac9-11e9-b3b4-2bb69e8c4e39_story.html If you have evidence otherwise bring it to the attention of the killer’s defence team.
August 10, 20196 yr Popular Post 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: The defendant made the statement to the police while he was being arrested at the scene. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/el-paso-suspect-said-he-was-targeting-mexicans-told-officers-he-was-the-shooter-police-say/2019/08/09/ab235e18-bac9-11e9-b3b4-2bb69e8c4e39_story.html If you have evidence otherwise bring it to the attention of the killer’s defence team. Please stop with the facts. It hurts some.
August 10, 20196 yr 22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: How many were targeting immigrants by a man parroting the President l’s anti immigrant rhetoric? Trump's "anti-immigrant rhetoric" was directed at ILLEGAL migrants. In any case, when it comes to moulding public opinion, a political leader's actions arguably speak louder than mere words. President Obama used the policy of separating immigrant parents and children families long before Trump set his sights on the White House. He also kept entire families in detention for lengthy periods. Janet Murguía, president of the National Council on La Raza, a Latino advocacy group, called Obama "the deporter-in-chief." According to governmental data, the Democrat president deported three million undocumented migrants during his term of office - more than any other president's administration in history. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661 https://www.newsweek.com/illegal-immigration-undocumented-migrants-obama-trump-585726
August 10, 20196 yr Popular Post 3 minutes ago, Krataiboy said: Trump's "anti-immigrant rhetoric" was directed at ILLEGAL migrants. In any case, when it comes to moulding public opinion, a political leader's actions arguably speak louder than mere words. President Obama used the policy of separating immigrant parents and children families long before Trump set his sights on the White House. He also kept entire families in detention for lengthy periods. Janet Murguía, president of the National Council on La Raza, a Latino advocacy group, called Obama "the deporter-in-chief." According to governmental data, the Democrat president deported three million undocumented migrants during his term of office - more than any other president's administration in history. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661 https://www.newsweek.com/illegal-immigration-undocumented-migrants-obama-trump-585726 Refer post #39 debunking your ill informed argument on Trump’s rhetoric. You need to do some more research on the differences between Obama’s application of separation detention and that of Trump. The differences are stark. You’ve just shot the argument that Democrats are soft on immigration in the foot.
August 10, 20196 yr Popular Post 6 hours ago, jb61 said: Trump is a Russian agent. Trump is a Russian agent. Oh wait, that was already debunked and is now history. Was it debunked?
August 10, 20196 yr When all is said and done it is a good thing this whitey supremo is off the streets. Now time to deal with the other couple hundred or so in the U.S.A. So they can start to deal with the real danger of inner city gun violence.
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