11 hours ago, aright said:

You seem to feel it is perfectly acceptable for Remainers to use every parliamentary  trick in the book to overturn the result of a democratically held referendum including the connivance of the Speaker  but similar action by the government, which is governed by the constitution, is utterly disgusting. 

Please review the referendum. Exactly how many people voted for a hard no-deal Brexit?

It seems by now it's a we against them. But the problem is that in the UK the "we" and "them" have to live together in the future. And they all have to live together with those Europeans at the end of that tunnel.

Forcing a no-deal exit might be interpreted as a "win" by some people but don't expect that "them" will soon be happy to work with the "we".

It's a nightmare in making. There is the cliff. Let's run for it. Crazy!

37 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Terrific move on BoJo's part! 

He's making Britain great again! ???? 

Wot? Like America is great again? 

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Please review the referendum. Exactly how many people voted for a hard no-deal Brexit?

It seems by now it's a we against them. But the problem is that in the UK the "we" and "them" have to live together in the future. And they all have to live together with those Europeans at the end of that tunnel.

Forcing a no-deal exit might be interpreted as a "win" by some people but don't expect that "them" will soon be happy to work with the "we".

It's a nightmare in making. There is the cliff. Let's run for it. Crazy!

You still don't understand that the referendum result was binding to LEAVE the EU with no if's, and's or but's....Very simple really, but folk like you who are smarting just want to add something that was never in the question asked the populace.

3 minutes ago, transam said:

You still don't understand that the referendum result was binding to LEAVE the EU with no if's, and's or but's....Very simple really, but folk like you who are smarting just want to add something that was never in the question asked the populace.

No, it's you that doesn't understand.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum

https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is_the_EU_referendum_vote_legally_binding

https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/

29 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Please review the referendum. Exactly how many people voted for a hard no-deal Brexit?

It seems by now it's a we against them. But the problem is that in the UK the "we" and "them" have to live together in the future. And they all have to live together with those Europeans at the end of that tunnel.

Forcing a no-deal exit might be interpreted as a "win" by some people but don't expect that "them" will soon be happy to work with the "we".

It's a nightmare in making. There is the cliff. Let's run for it. Crazy!

How can you possibly vote for a future deal before negotiations have even begun?  Absurd.

 

We voted to leave, with the hope that an acceptable deal would be reached, but since one is not being offered the only logical thing to do is revert to the default position and simply leave on WTO terms.  It has been over 3 years, it has to end asap.

 

By saying that No Deal is off the table, you are basically saying we can never leave the EU - all they have to do is refuse to budge and we are stuck perpetually in the EU.

 

Where is the democracy in that?  

2 minutes ago, teatree said:

How can you possibly vote for a future deal before negotiations have even begun?  Absurd.

 

We voted to leave, with the hope that an acceptable deal would be reached, but since one is not being offered the only logical thing to do is revert to the default position and simply leave on WTO terms.  It has been over 3 years, it has to end asap.

 

By saying that No Deal is off the table, you are basically saying we can never leave the EU - all they have to do is refuse to budge and we are stuck perpetually in the EU.

 

Where is the democracy in that?  

The sensible thing would be to ask people if no deal is what they want.

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

The sensible thing would be to ask people if no deal is what they want.

So what should the question be?  If it was a choice of Boris/May's deal or No Deal, then yes I would be in agreement.

 

But what if the choice is Boris/May's deal and remain?   

 

People have just had enough.  The only way we can get a good deal is to leave 1st, then negotiate.

Choice should be Deal or no deal or remain. 

 

Choice should be Deal or no deal or remain. 
 

Yes. But for some reason the hardcore Brexiteers don't like those choices!

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Just now, brewsterbudgen said:

Yes. But for some reason the hardcore Brexiteers don't like those choices!

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Thats because they are trying to enforce their own fundamentalist Brexit beliefs on everyone else.

2 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Unfortunately the average Brexiteer is too blinded by their own jingoism, xenophobia and racism to see what is in plain sight. I have given up on hoping that they will wake up and see what's actually happening before their very eyes. The analogy with Trump's base becomes more of a truism every day. They're a lost cause which will bring about another lost generation in the UK.

Hurling insults just shows you don't have an argument.

 

As John Stewart Mills said, if you cannot understand the opposing view in its most cogent form then what right do you have to be so confident in your own?

 

You are pretty much just calling people who you disagree with smelly poo heads.  

3 minutes ago, teatree said:

Hurling insults just shows you don't have an argument.

 

As John Stewart Mills said, if you cannot understand the opposing view in its most cogent form then what right do you have to be so confident in your own?

 

You are pretty much just calling people who you disagree with smelly poo heads.  

Too near to the truth was it?

1 hour ago, alanrchase said:

Well done. Managed to get a bit of Thai bashing into a Brexit topic.

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How precious are you! How can that be bashing?

It's what Thai kids use to denote laughter

If the British want to go back to the 19th Century, the century of Nation States and past glories, let 'em get on with it, I say. They'll soon discover that the world has moved on and is a very different place now. Now is the time of trading blocs, especially if you're talking about middling sized countries that find their say and power leveraged by forming trade blocs.

 

Those Brexiteers who voted the way they did, not because of EU rules, but to stop immigration and keep all the dusky skinned foreigners at Calais (yes, there were a lot that stated that's why they wanted to leave) are going to feel very disappointed and betrayed.

54 minutes ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

Wot? Like America is great again? 

it's getting there, they just need to keep those vile Dems out for the foreseeable future

Just now, Joe Mcseismic said:

If the British want to go back to the 19th Century, the century of Nation States and past glories, let 'em get on with it, I say. They'll soon discover that the world has moved on and is a very different place now. Now is the time of trading blocks, especially if you're talking about middling sized countries that find their say and power leveraged by forming trade blocs.

 

Those Brexiteers who voted the way they did, not because of EU rules, but to stop immigration and keep all the dusky skinned foreigners at Calais (yers, there were a lot of them) are going to feel very disappointed and betrayed.

Amazing how you know the thought processes of 17 millions Leave voters. Surely you could put those skills to better use than posting drivel on a forum

15 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Choice should be Deal or no deal or remain. 

 

Talk about opening tins of worms!

1 minute ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Amazing how you know the thought processes of 17 millions Leave voters. Surely you could put those skills to better use than posting drivel on a forum

Maybe you should educate yourself........

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-latest-news-leave-eu-immigration-main-reason-european-union-survey-a7811651.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_vote_in_favour_of_Brexit

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/why-immigration-was-key-to-brexit-vote-1.3083608

https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2018/12/immigration-and-the-brexit-vote-a-look-at-the-data/

 

There's plenty more.

9 minutes ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

Maybe you should educate yourself........

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-latest-news-leave-eu-immigration-main-reason-european-union-survey-a7811651.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_vote_in_favour_of_Brexit

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/why-immigration-was-key-to-brexit-vote-1.3083608

https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2018/12/immigration-and-the-brexit-vote-a-look-at-the-data/

 

There's plenty more.

No rebuttal Sticky Wicket? Just an emoticon? Poor show Old Bean.

18 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Too near to the truth was it?

Careful now.

Those plucky Brexiteers with their Dunkirk spirit tend to report rather than argue with posts these days.

18 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

How precious are you! How can that be bashing?

It's what Thai kids use to denote laughter

And adults. Common to most generations and farangs that have integrated.

 

Why complain about immigrants not integrating into UK society, when you choose to live in Thailand but refuse to integrate into Thai society yourself?

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Careful now.

Those plucky Brexiteers with their Dunkirk spirit tend to report rather than argue with posts these days.

Don't I know it. Had a post reported and removed yesterday. Still have no clue why.

 

They just try to remove from the thread/forum anyone who counters their rhetoric with reasoned argument.

 

Typified by posting banal emojis rather than providing a reasoned counter argument. Primarily because they don't have the wherewithall to do that.

My acquaintances who carry on about "England for the English", but barely have a valid argument beyond that how Brexit will actually benefit the nation. The irony is that these people have all left the UK to live in a foreign country themselves (I could also add they tend to be less educated and/or from lower socio-economic backgrounds, and are loudly vocal from their barstools).

Going through the comments above just seems to reinforce this view.

I wonder if in the few years, when the pound has dropped further, the elderly are paying for their TV licences, the NHS has been all but dismantled, and foreign investment is but a trickle, who they will blame for the country's predicament? It certainly won't be themselves.

 

11 minutes ago, Katipo said:

My acquaintances who carry on about "England for the English", but barely have a valid argument beyond that how Brexit will actually benefit the nation. The irony is that these people have all left the UK to live in a foreign country themselves (I could also add they tend to be less educated and/or from lower socio-economic backgrounds, and are loudly vocal from their barstools).

Going through the comments above just seems to reinforce this view.

I wonder if in the few years, when the pound has dropped further, the elderly are paying for their TV licences, the NHS has been all but dismantled, and foreign investment is but a trickle, who they will blame for the country's predicament? It certainly won't be themselves.

 

Johnny Foreigner?

1 hour ago, transam said:

You still don't understand that the referendum result was binding to LEAVE the EU with no if's, and's or but's....Very simple really, but folk like you who are smarting just want to add something that was never in the question asked the populace.

"binding"?

Really?

And to quote you: "but folk like you who are smarting just want to add something that was never in the question asked the populace"

 

No more questions your honor.

 

 

51 minutes ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

If the British want to go back to the 19th Century, the century of Nation States and past glories, let 'em get on with it, I say. They'll soon discover that the world has moved on and is a very different place now. Now is the time of trading blocs, especially if you're talking about middling sized countries that find their say and power leveraged by forming trade blocs.

 

Those Brexiteers who voted the way they did, not because of EU rules, but to stop immigration and keep all the dusky skinned foreigners at Calais (yes, there were a lot that stated that's why they wanted to leave) are going to feel very disappointed and betrayed.

Oh the irony!

It is the EU that is a protectionist club and the UK which is reaching out across the globe.

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

"binding"?

Really?

And to quote you: "but folk like you who are smarting just want to add something that was never in the question asked the populace"

 

No more questions your honor.

 

 

"It is a mere bagatelle my dear"

1 hour ago, teatree said:

How can you possibly vote for a future deal before negotiations have even begun?  Absurd.

 

We voted to leave, with the hope that an acceptable deal would be reached, but since one is not being offered the only logical thing to do is revert to the default position and simply leave on WTO terms.  It has been over 3 years, it has to end asap.

 

By saying that No Deal is off the table, you are basically saying we can never leave the EU - all they have to do is refuse to budge and we are stuck perpetually in the EU.

 

Where is the democracy in that?  

Who should offer such an acceptable deal? The EU worked long and hard on such a deal with the UK but then the UK didn't like it. Now the UK makes no further suggestions for a better deal but still blames the EU. Pathetic!

 

And about no-deal: It seems the leavers always say they want to follow the referendum. Ok, that is fair enough. How many people voted in that not binding referendum for a no-deal Brexit? And how many people believed when the leavers promised that the trade agreement with the EU will be the easiest ever?

 

I think we agree that what the people agreed to in 2016 has little to do what is happening now. So why not ask the people again is they want to leave without a deal, with the possible deal or stay in the EU. That would be democracy. If parliament votes for no-deal that would also be democracy. But giving parliament no voice in this is definitely not democracy. That is "the winner takes it all" - with all the consequences that will follow.

 

Enjoy the ride!

 

58 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Too near to the truth was it?

Butthurt that Brexit isn't going how you wanted are you?

 

Brexit is about sovreignty full stop.

2 minutes ago, teatree said:

Oh the irony!

It is the EU that is a protectionist club and the UK which is reaching out across the globe.

Not to it's members it isn't and it's a huge market.

Reaching out to the world? Yes, using WTO standards.

How long do you think it will take to hammer out trade deals with 20 or 30 separate other countries? Do you think that those trade deals will be one-sided that will overwhelmingly favour the UK?

Of course, at the same time these trade deals are being haggled over, people will be struggling with increased prices and job losses. Do you think that bargaining from a position of weakness will benefit the UK? How do you compare the bargaining strength of the UK alone compared to the EU?