Done!

 

 

2 minutes ago, Slip said:

But Nauseus surely that is the point?  He can't steamroll parliament, so he has shut it down.  There was a remainer on here earlier who was saying that this came out of the blue, but I have to say he is a little lacking.  This has been in the works for some time, and when it was being talked about before, it wasn't about a brave new raft of legislation, it was about defeating the anti-Briexit coalition.

 

I genuinely hope that your positive predictions of the future come to pass.  I think poor ol' blighty has suffered enough for now, blame who you will.

I think that this request may be because Johnson thinks he might actually get something that might pass - I probably won't like it but hey - or he might be rightly countering the recent antics of the combined anti no-deal opposition set.

 

I am not making positive predictions. I favour leaving, that's it. I'm not looking to blame anyone but I do think that this referendum should have happened long ago, preferably before Major signed the Maastricht Treaty.

I'll make do with facts. It hasn't recovered.
 

It recovered from 0936 as I clearly stated.

Fluctuation as part of the course.

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52 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Sharply  0.6% v the USD. Still higher than a week ago. Sharply. Ouch!

3 satang is sharp enough for me clutching an already rinsed out pound all based on rumor and supposition until the action really starts and JC rides into town  ???? 

11 minutes ago, stuandjulie said:

The Good Friday Agreement, signed in 1998, brought an end to sectarian conflict and established power-sharing in Northern Ireland. The agreement assumes EU membership for both the UK and Ireland and makes provisions for the UK and Irish governments to co-operate on EU matters. Taken from here https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/ireland-brexit So we were both in the EU as we both joined at the same time in 1973, therefore not relevant then in the slightest.

 

Swot

The pound will collapse if no deal Brexit goes ahead.

Goodbye holidays on the Spanish Riviera, welcome home.

 

2 minutes ago, citybiker said:

It recovered from 0936 as I clearly stated.

Fluctuation as part of the course.

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It did NOT recover. If it had, it wouldn't be lower than when the announcement was made.

It may still recover, but, it hasn't, yet. Your definition of recover isn't the same as most peoples.

3 hours ago, JamesBlond said:

. You know full well that no one will actually want to rejoin the same EU in the future. 

Remind us how the younger generations (your future voters) voted in the referendum before the coffin dodgers ripped the carpet out from under their feet ………………...

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

I clearly know more than you if you think that it's based on democracy by the people. It's based on parliamentary democracy. BTW. Technically, the UK doen't have a constitution. Did you know that?

Wrong. The UK has a constitution but not a written declarative constitution. Its based on many laws  rules and precedents. What do you thing the Magna Carta was? Yes Britain is a parliamentary democracy but the referendum was a special situation giving the decision to the people not parliament.  Do you really think that if the remainers had won rebel leaver MPs in parliament would be fighting the result for 3 years? For all the spurious reasons currently being used by remainers claiming that the referendum did not count? The current machinations to thwart the peoples democratic decision is the work of knaves and cowards.

3 hours ago, vogie said:

Many would say ignoring a democratic referendum is not in the best interest of the country, especially when the voters were promised that their vote would be respected, also it would not be in the interest of democracy. The only people that could possibly argue againgst this are people that don't believe in democracy and/or the vote did not go the way they wanted.

But the democratic process TODAY would reverse it - do you see the irony ?

 

Which is why brexiteers are desperate to get this over the line 

21 minutes ago, stuandjulie said:

The Good Friday Agreement, signed in 1998, brought an end to sectarian conflict and established power-sharing in Northern Ireland. The agreement assumes EU membership for both the UK and Ireland and makes provisions for the UK and Irish governments to co-operate on EU matters. Taken from here https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/ireland-brexit So we were both in the EU as we both joined at the same time in 1973, therefore not relevant then in the slightest.

 

But now,  after the referendum, its suddenly relevant but was never mentioned during the referendum campaign. Its just another excuse to defy the result of the referendum. Fearmongers and knaves clutching at straws.

52 minutes ago, vogie said:

I think David Cameron did his best to explain as much as he could, he did outline the implications of voting to leave, probably over the top in my opinion. So yes the public were well informed, those that chose to be anyway. 

I think you are referring to Dr Liam Fox when you say "easiest deal ever" he often gets misquoted and he did say a lot more than that, but for some reason remainers seem fixated on just those few words.

 

I think that most people have seen through those lies now and wouldn't vote for a no deal brexit today.

Again you don't know that, purely speculation, I would turn the argument around and say that now people are more aware of the way the EU operates there would be more people voting to leave.

Calm down Danny the working class are being had as they always have been unless they are prepared to organise and fight back. Eton serial liar Johnson having created this shower of <deleted> isn't go to do a no deal , brinkmanship and reckless it may be but he will pull of a deal. Remember his statement of a million to one about the chances of a no deal , remember he only ever talks about the backstop . He has voted for the WA before and no ERG in his cabinet - that plus a cowed cabinet and EU there will be an eleventh hour deal. Then the tories can go back to what they love doing best screwing the working class and making the rich richer. All the while cheered on by idot class traitors who dance merrily when the flag is waved - thinking somehow he is on their side. Pathetic - also remember his dad and sister and current girlfriend are also remainers....

 

the truth is hiding in plain sight for those that have eyes to see...

 

 

Come on the BRINOS.....rah rah rah Boris the remainers best chance

 

 

2 hours ago, vogie said:

How can Boris come back with a new deal, the EU has told him Mays deal is the only deal on the table and they are not going to re-open it. So your question is rather irrelevant, is it not.

So why is Boris trying then ? 

 

Though it is clear from todays reports it is Boris who is blinking first - 580 pages of Mays deal is now ok !

44 minutes ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/09/farmer-no-deal-brexit-eu-agriculture-food-britain

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49321597

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-will-sheep-farmers-suffer-in-a-no-deal-brexit

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/boris-johnsons-no-deal-brexit-could-lead-british-lambs-to-slaughter/2019/08/15/274f95d6-b78e-11e9-8e83-4e6687e99814_story.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-47441182

 

That should be enough for you to be getting on with. Let me know when you are done, because there are a load more articles about British farmers and No-deal Brexit.

Tell me a time in the last 50 years British farmers were not complaining. They used to complain about being in the EU! Anyway the first link is the discredited remainer rag The Guardian, an extreme left wing woke propaganda sheet. And you've linked to BBC. More propaganda from the Tax funded Brexit Bashing Corporation.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/08/26/time-to-burst-the-westminster-bubble/

11 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Wrong. The UK has a constitution but not a written declarative constitution. Its based on many laws  rules and precedents. What do you thing the Magna Carta was? Yes Britain is a parliamentary democracy but the referendum was a special situation giving the decision to the people not parliament.  Do you really think that if the remainers had won rebel leaver MPs in parliament would be fighting the result for 3 years? For all the spurious reasons currently being used by remainers claiming that the referendum did not count? The current machinations to thwart the peoples democratic decision is the work of knaves and cowards.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017

1 minute ago, Handsome Gardener said:

So why is Boris trying then ? 

 

Though it is clear from todays reports it is Boris who is blinking first - 580 pages of Mays deal is now ok !

Just twiddle with the backstop and do some remove and replace words in the document and voila we are BRINO to go ......

7 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Calm down Danny the working class are being had as they always have been unless they are prepared to organise and fight back. Eton serial liar Johnson having created this shower of <deleted> isn't go to do a no deal , brinkmanship and reckless it may be but he will pull of a deal. Remember his statement of a million to one about the chances of a no deal , remember he only ever talks about the backstop . He has voted for the WA before and no ERG in his cabinet - that plus a cowed cabinet and EU there will be an eleventh hour deal. Then the tories can go back to what they love doing best screwing the working class and making the rich richer. All the while cheered on by idot class traitors who dance merrily when the flag is waved - thinking somehow he is on their side. Pathetic - also remember his dad and sister and current girlfriend are also remainers....

 

the truth is hiding in plain sight for those that have eyes to see...

 

 

Come on the BRINOS.....rah rah rah Boris the remainers best chance

 

 

boris has done more in 3 weeks than may did in 3 years.

1 minute ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Tell me a time in the last 50 years British farmers were not complaining. They used to complain about being in the EU!

Dear sunnyboy2018. You were caught making stuff up (remember claiming that many countries wanting to leave the EU?).

The quoted post above pretty much sums it up. No answer, just blather.

Therefore, you and your posts have lost all credibility. I will be using the scroll bar from now on whenever I see you have posted.

6 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Tell me a time in the last 50 years British farmers were not complaining. They used to complain about being in the EU!

remember in the 80s,the eu were paying farmers not to milk their cows,a mate of mine from rhodesia came over and bought an entire dairy off a farmer [in england]and shipped it back.

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

boris has done more in 3 weeks than may did in 3 years.

Agrees both sides want and WILL do a deal. And there won't be better terms if we come out no deal and the come back desperately for a deal having seen the short term chaos that would bring. When it will then be punch a Brexiteer in the face day - but don't worry it won't happen.

1 minute ago, Forethat said:

I think one of the reasons Spitting Image became such a success was the characters and the political turmoil at the time.

 

One can only wish they would resurrect the series and introduce todays political main players. That would be...

Politics is far to tribal today.

Farage is no slouch - I'll answer it for you Nige he has and does.

 

Nigel Farage

 

✔@Nigel_Farage

 

The government's announcement today makes a confidence motion now certain, a general election more likely and is seen as a positive move by Brexiteers.

The unanswered question is whether Boris Johnson intends to pursue the Withdrawal Agreement.

6 hours ago, GalaxyMan said:

Would she really actively take sides like that?

The old bat is daft enough to do it.

49 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

 

One eminent, but ineligible, brexiteer on here even claimed its RISING yesterday !! 

 

perhaps he was referring to his reproductive organ and you misunderstood him.

1 minute ago, teatree said:

Calm down dear!

 

Parliament will still be able to table a vote of no confidence in the 1st week back before prorougation, and they will have a week to vote on any proposed deal after parliament recovenes in October.

 

What prorouging does help prevent is the proposal of amendments which would purely be a delaying tactic by remainers who seek to derail the whole Brexit process.  Rather than serve any practical purpose the amendments are just a sneaky way of kicking the can down the road so that an extention can be obtained and then another referendum/ revocation of article 50 can take place.

 

Remainers are the ones who are a danger to democracy.

Johnson will apparently refuse to resign even if voted out next week and a new PM proposed. it will be up to the courts to throw him out.

What Brexit process are you talking about? Johnson seems hell bent on a no deal Brexit which none of the 37% of the electorate who voted for Brexit chose.

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

perhaps he was referring to his reproductive organ and you misunderstood him.

Most often Brexiteers aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. Bless them and their beliefs. 

You know I should be supporting the Brexit fundamentalists.

Scottish independence is guaranteed with a hard Brexit.

But I honestly cannot stand to see my friends and neighbors commit such an act of self harm. And for what? A blue passport that actually looks black and under EU rules could have been any colour you wanted it to be?

Brexit is going to be a disaster. Whether its a soft Brexit or a hard Brexit.

The only people who are going to benefit from Brexit are the very rich because at all costs they want to avoid the anti tax evasion/avoidance legislation the EU want to bring in to curb the use of offshore tax havens.

Brexiteers are going to beggar the country so the rich can avoid tax. Thats it in a nutshell. 

Is that what you really want?   

2 hours ago, aright said:

 

You seem to feel it is perfectly acceptable for Remainers to use every parliamentary  trick in the book to overturn the result of a democratically held referendum including the connivance of the Speaker  but similar action by the government, which is governed by the constitution, is utterly disgusting. 

 

It is nothing to do with connivance of the speaker - however it IS the speakers job to ensure that parliamentarians do not abuse their position to deny the will of the house 

 

Do you see the difference ?

The Queen has no choice other than to do as she is told by an elected government PM. As for business and the pound diving, well, everything is not up to you and money. We survived the Nazis and we will survive the bankers and the EU. Just something that has to be done and it's now plainly obvious why.

Just now, bannork said:

Johnson will apparently refuse to resign even if voted out next week and a new PM proposed. it will be up to the courts to throw him out.

What Brexit process are you talking about? Johnson seems hell bent on a no deal Brexit which none of the 37% of the electorate who voted for Brexit chose.

Oh dear two points.

 

1. Johnson is a liar. 

2. He believes in game theory as most certainly does Dominic Cummings.

3. Brino it is , Johnson wins a snap election as a hero that pulled off what May couldn't - and then all these money promises for the working class will evaporate but tax cuts for the rich - for sure.