British PM to suspend parliament before Brexit, opposition denounces 'coup'

[Laughing Gravy]

3 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

In your nightmares ... Brexit was a vote to dissolve the UK.

No. It was  pleasure dream to rid all the traitors out of the country so they can join the EU countries..

[DannyCarlton]

12 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

No. It was  pleasure dream to rid all the traitors out of the country so they can join the EU countries..

Did you have a happy ending?

[tebee]

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Yet he has out smarted all the remainers. Who is the buffon!

He might think so, but I don't.

 

He's actually united all remainers - now we have something to focus on. 

[simple1]

19 hours ago, nauseus said:

Hindsight. A wonderful thing.

is that what you're going to say when Brexit turns out to be a disaster

[vogie]

1 minute ago, tebee said:

He might think so, but I don't.

 

He's actually united all remainers - now we have something to focus on. 

Remainers have been focused on overturning democracy for three years now, tell me what's changed?

[tebee]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

Remainers have been focused on overturning democracy for three years now, tell me what's changed?

The problem is we have different definitions of democracy, one frozen at an instance in time, one a continuing process.

 

This is the real reason we are going to suffer from Brexit for generations to come is this: setting aside all the very obvious physical damage it will cause, the real harm is that is has created an unbridgeable sectarian divide. The consequences of that will be devastating.

 

This is not an exaggeration or an over-dramatisation. Brexit and Remain are two utterly incompatible views of how the world should be.

 

It's not just  "foreigners" that the Brexiters actually hate - it's their fellow citizens who refuse to let them hate foreigners. Brexiters hate Remainers more profoundly and bitterly than they hate anything or anyone else. The EU was always only a proxy in this war.

 

Unfortunately, and shamefully, it will of course work the other way. Remain hates Brexit because it finds its worldview abhorrent - and that all too quickly becomes personal. We are "Catholics and Protestants", living lives that are enmeshed with each other and incapable of accepting the other. 

It will be very bad before it ever gets to be OK again.

 

The way that we can tell this proposition is categorically true is from the intensity of the passions that it has provoked. Nobody gets this lastingly angry about membership of an economic area. Lastingly angry is when you see your entire worldview under threat.

 

This is sectarianism in all it's living glory  

 

 

[billd766]

7 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Typical Brexiteer statement. Big on jingoistic rhetoric, low on facts.

 

It's actually at an all time low. Apart from betraying her own parliament to appease the Eton toffs she's also got the matter of her son going with 16 and 17 year old hookers to contend with.

 

No more hiding behind the Union Jack, she's shown her true colours.

 

                                                     

Do you have any links or facts saying the Queen and her family are at an all time low, or is your fertile imagination working overtime again?

 

BTW if you are portraying the Queen as German, then by your imagination she would be pro EU and would have denied the prorogation.

[billd766]

7 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

You questioned the veracity of my statement. You prove me wrong.

 

I don't waste my time on howling brexiteers with nothing but rhetoric in their game.

I can't be bothered to read posts by someone who cannot or will not back his posts with facts or links.

 

Off to the ignore lists to join your previous namesakes.

[Nigel Garvie]

4 minutes ago, tebee said:

The problem is we have different definitions of democracy, one frozen at an instance in time, one a continuing process.

 

This is the real reason we are going to suffer from Brexit for generations to come is this: setting aside all the very obvious physical damage it will cause, the real harm is that is has created an unbridgeable sectarian divide. The consequences of that will be devastating.

 

This is not an exaggeration or an over-dramatisation. Brexit and Remain are two utterly incompatible views of how the world should be.

 

It's not just  "foreigners" that the Brexiters actually hate - it's their fellow citizens who refuse to let them hate foreigners. Brexiters hate Remainers more profoundly and bitterly than they hate anything or anyone else. The EU was always only a proxy in this war.

 

Unfortunately, and shamefully, it will of course work the other way. Remain hates Brexit because it finds its worldview abhorrent - and that all too quickly becomes personal. We are "Catholics and Protestants", living lives that are enmeshed with each other and incapable of accepting the other. 

It will be very bad before it ever gets to be OK again.

 

The way that we can tell this proposition is categorically true is from the intensity of the passions that it has provoked. Nobody gets this lastingly angry about membership of an economic area. Lastingly angry is when you see your entire worldview under threat.

 

This is sectarianism in all it's living glory  

 

 

Quite excellent post, very sad but true. Britain is divided, and the enemy lives next door to you. Everyone has got so much invested in their own point of view, that they cannot change. The future does not look good. I guess many TV posters (On both sides of course) may not be around to see the bitterness these seeds have sown, come to flower over the next years.

[Joe Mcseismic]

17 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Do you have any links or facts saying the Queen and her family are at an all time low, or is your fertile imagination working overtime again?

 

BTW if you are portraying the Queen as German, then by your imagination she would be pro EU and would have denied the prorogation.

It's not just the royal family that are Germans.

Many Brits have German blood, but, we call it Saxon.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, sawadee1947 said:

Oh dear, and what about Randy Andy? The royal pet raping under age girls? Is this funny too? 

Do you have any proof of your accusation, or are you saying that you have read all the accusations and allegations, and in your mind, that means he is guilty?

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

No. It was  pleasure dream to rid all the traitors out of the country so they can join the EU countries..

Who are the traitors?

[vogie]

5 minutes ago, tebee said:

The problem is we have different definitions of democracy, one frozen at an instance in time, one a continuing process.

 

This is the real reason we are going to suffer from Brexit for generations to come is this: setting aside all the very obvious physical damage it will cause, the real harm is that is has created an unbridgeable sectarian divide. The consequences of that will be devastating.

 

This is not an exaggeration or an over-dramatisation. Brexit and Remain are two utterly incompatible views of how the world should be.

 

It's not just  "foreigners" that the Brexiters actually hate - it's their fellow citizens who refuse to let them hate foreigners. Brexiters hate Remainers more profoundly and bitterly than they hate anything or anyone else. The EU was always only a proxy in this war.

 

Unfortunately, and shamefully, it will of course work the other way. Remain hates Brexit because it finds its worldview abhorrent - and that all too quickly becomes personal. We are "Catholics and Protestants", living lives that are enmeshed with each other and incapable of accepting the other. 

It will be very bad before it ever gets to be OK again.

 

The way that we can tell this proposition is categorically true is from the intensity of the passions that it has provoked. Nobody gets this lastingly angry about membership of an economic area. Lastingly angry is when you see your entire worldview under threat.

 

This is sectarianism in all it's living glory  

 

 

This is the real reason we are going to suffer from Brexit for generations to come is this: setting aside all the very obvious physical damage it will cause, the real harm is that is has created an unbridgeable sectarian divide. The consequences of that will be devastating.

 

But again nobody knows what will happen after we leave the mighty EU, you have your reasons for believing that and I have mine, I have looked at the EU and I don't like how it operates and what it is now turning into, many of our citizens don't want to be part of the metamorphosis of the EU.

Trading fine, having to stand to attention for Ode to Joy, not fine. It is turning into a monster and it is becoming more uncontrollable by the year, with the inflated egos of Verhofstadt et al.

 

It's not just  "foreigners" that the Brexiters actually hate - it's their fellow citizens who refuse to let them hate foreigners. Brexiters hate Remainers more profoundly and bitterly than they hate anything or anyone else. The EU was always only a proxy in this war.

 

Unfortunately, and shamefully, it will of course work the other way. Remain hates Brexit because it finds its worldview abhorrent - and that all too quickly becomes personal. We are "Catholics and Protestants", living lives that are enmeshed with each other and incapable of accepting the other. 

 

Can we please dispel that myth that Brexiteers hate foreigners, they don't and to say that Brexiteers hate remainers is total nonsense. Just look at the Brexit threads nearly all the insults are emanating from the remainers, it has become very toxic and caustic with all the anger being posted by a certain few remainer culprits. They are like spoilt children who havn't got their way, so they will scream and scream till mother gives in, well for once mother has dug her heels in and they will do what mother says for once.

 

The way that we can tell this proposition is categorically true is from the intensity of the passions that it has provoked. Nobody gets this lastingly angry about membership of an economic area. Lastingly angry is when you see your entire worldview under threat.

 

This is sectarianism in all it's living glory  

 

With all due respect tebee I think you have over egged your last paragraph. What would be a tragedy is ignoring democracy.

[DannyCarlton]

11 minutes ago, vogie said:

With all due respect tebee I think you have over egged your last paragraph. What would be a tragedy is ignoring democracy.

Do you mean ignoring an advisory referendum, or ignoring the democratic rights of pariliament.

 

(I'll give you a clue, The UK is a Parliamentary democracy).

[evadgib]

Food for thought for both sides:

(Content not poster please, including the narrator)

Edited August 30, 2019 by evadgib

[vogie]

Just now, DannyCarlton said:

Do you mean ignoring an advisory referendum, or ignoring the democratic rights of pariliament.

 

(I'll give you a clue, The UK is a Parliamentary democracy).

A remainer trying to tell me what democracy is is so funny, it's like asking Quasimodo to give a speech on homo erectus.

[DannyCarlton]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

A remainer trying to tell me what democracy is is so funny, it's like asking Quasimodo to give a speech on homo erectus.

Good to see that, as a Brexiteer, you are only able to respond with adolescent vitriolic bile and are unable to answer the question.

 

 

Edited August 30, 2019 by DannyCarlton

[Loiner]

Who are the traitors?

If you need to ask that question, then it’s you.

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, Loiner said:

If you need to ask that question, then it’s you.

Well, my eagerness to see the UK consigned to the dustbin of bad historical errors that should never have arisen in the first place is not exactly a secret on TV so I hold my hand up to that one, but I somehow doubt that LG was referring solely to supporters of Scottish independence. So besides me, how else are traitors identified?

[transam]

2 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

Oh dear, and what about Randy Andy? The royal pet raping under age girls? Is this funny too? 

Seems tabloids and gossip are your thing..Sadly...

[Laughing Gravy]

56 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Who are the traitors?

It was a tongue in cheek remark but all those who wont respect the democratic referendum result and are trying to overturn the result, by undemocratic means, for starters.

 

To those who would rather see the UK suffer and be punished by the EU.

 

That will do for now.

[nauseus]

18 hours ago, Stupooey said:

Much of it.

 

David Cameron never considered for one moment that the vote would go against him. His comments were aimed not at the electorate, but at Farage and his henchmen telling them to give up the fight. You must remember, he was a Conservative PM, you can take his comments with a pinch of salt.

 

We are forever being told by Leavers that it was a binary vote, in or out, no ifs or buts. Theresa May produced an agreement which would leave the UK outside the EU, but we kept hearing 'that's not what we voted for' and it was rejected by the extremists. Please tell us what people did vote for (and it certainly wasn't 'no deal' in 90 per cent of cases).

 

A majority voted to leave on Thursday 23/6/2016. Had the referendum been held on Sunday 27/6/2016, I'm sure the result would have been very different, as working people would have had as much opportunity to vote as non-workers. Unlike a General Election, in which the moderate Tory bias amongst pensioners is balanced by the Labour bias of the unemployed, in the referendum both groups voted solidly to leave. Add to that the huge (well over 1 million) number of people that voted (mainly Leave) in the referendum who abstain in General Elections (usually because they have 'no interest in politics') and you see that the result was a freak and by no means represented 'the will of the people'.

 

But that is all in the past. We are now in 2019. A million people who voted for Brexit are no longer alive. Millions of 18, 19, 20 and 21 year olds, seemingly primarily Remain voters, are supposedly now adults but have been given no opportunity to determine the long-term future of their country. Democracy? Hardly.

 

In retrospect, most of what you posted were lies, but they were all the words of Tory PMs. Don't expect anything different this time round.

Latest from the Morbid Monthly.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

Good to see that, as a Brexiteer, you are only able to respond with adolescent vitriolic bile and are unable to answer the question.

 

 

Says the world's greatest authority on the subject.

 

 

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Couldn't have anything to do with the call by some to postpone the party conferences until this is all settled, could it?

Unfortunately that comment will get as far as seeds on stony ground, a bit close to the truth.

 

How can any party create a credible manifesto when so many core issues are as clear as mud. The same goes for the queens speech with an unknown financial position it can be nothing more than vivid imagination.

The whole thing is an ego trip for Johnson and he is not interested in how many have to fall by the wayside.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

is that what you're going to say when Brexit turns out to be a disaster

Impossible for me to see Brexit as a disaster.  

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, brucec64 said:

In other news, Boris, bolstered by his fellow coup leader Prayut, is considering declaring Section 44, and starting a TM30 program to track the dirty foreigners.

Sent from my SM-N950F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

Imagine that! 

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Mavideol said:

did you read my post end of 1st paragraph where it says exactly what you posted, both saying exactly the same thing, what's the point you are trying to make.... UK has an unwritten constitution thus not having a codified constitution, in other words no constitution

In the words of everyone else, an uncodified constitution. 

[Mavideol]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Impossible for me to see Brexit as a disaster.  

time will speak for itself

[sandyf]

23 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

It already has enough signatures to force parliament to discuss it when it reopens next week.

That is not strictly true. All they have to do is set a date for debate and then the leader of the house who controls the business can reschedule back and back.

That has happened to some private members bills on brexit, rescheduled until they expired.

If the government does not want something to be heard, it can be very difficult to get it heard, that is UK democracy.

This is another aspect of the suspension. Any business brought up before the suspension must be completed or it will die. Business cannot be carried across the suspension, a subtle difference between a suspension and a recess.

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

In the words of everyone else, an uncodified constitution. 

meaning still no constitution, check the underlined below........ 

Uncodified. Absent from legislative statutes and existing only by virtue of the common law. Sometimes used in a wider sense to refer to principles that are entirely unwritten.

 

Uncodified constitution. An uncodified or unwritten constitution is a constitution in which no single, formal document delineates the powers of a government, and the limits thereof.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Mavideol