Swedish teen climate activist arrives in New York by boat for U.N. summit

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

and yours?

I helped 6 people register for their vote.

And I drove two old folk (not family) to and from their hospital appointments.

 

I’ll be helping people register their vote and driving people t/from the hospital again today.

 

[from the home of CC]

55 minutes ago, TerryClarke said:

I think there is no person on the Earth which is able to live 100% ecologically clean. It is simply not possible. And if Greta had to use, for example, some plastic bottles or not, it doesn't matter because her message is clear. It is not hypocritical. It is better to spread the message than do nothing.

I would be a considerably more inspired by the actions of someone who didn't have the resources of this entitled young lady. If some youngster who existed in less austere circumstances for example, and had sacrificed something while bringing this message imo would of had a lot more impact to me. Her message might of reached other hi so's who can afford all this but for the everyday person trying to survive on this earth, sailing with a crew on a million dollar sailboat sounds like just another line for her future CV.

[from the home of CC]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I helped 6 people register for their vote.

And I drove two old folk (not family) to and from their hospital appointments.

 

I’ll be helping people register their vote and driving people t/from the hospital again today.

 

and that aided the climate how?

[Chomper Higgot]

24 minutes ago, ThePioneer said:

He pointed out the hypocrisy going on with these climate activists.

 

Did that went over your head?

He did no such thing, he did however partake in the whataboutary and pointless criticism of the efforts of this young person.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, from the home of CC said:

and that aided the climate how?

You asked for my achievements for the day, I answered the question you asked.

 

Doh!

[from the home of CC]

37 minutes ago, ThePioneer said:

hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

1 hour ago, NCC1701A said:

what? that is the world you want to live in.

 

walking to the restaurant? food trucked in? will your shower be hot?

what is your boat made out of? was it designed on a computer? where does the electricity come from? all hand built? no power tools? did you use a GPS? how did the magic satellites get up in the air? are you flying back home? do you use the internet? 

 

And your achievement for the day?

Your response to a poster's highlight of carbon hypocrisy with a query on how (I assumed) he personally negated the effects on climate change:

 

15 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

I helped 6 people register for their vote.

And I drove two old folk (not family) to and from their hospital appointments.

 

I’ll be helping people register their vote and driving people t/from the hospital again today.

Now, what you have done is admirable in a boy scout sense. But in the context of this thread it seems you are bragging on how much diesel you are burning running these folks to voter registration and the hospital. I'm sorry but you can't have it both ways..

[Chomper Higgot]

25 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

I would be a considerably more inspired by the actions of someone who didn't have the resources of this entitled young lady. If some youngster who existed in less austere circumstances for example, and had sacrificed something while bringing this message imo would of had a lot more impact to me. Her message might of reached other hi so's who can afford all this but for the everyday person trying to survive on this earth, sailing with a crew on a million dollar sailboat sounds like just another line for her future CV.

Oh I see, the wealth of her family is a problem for you.

 

She’s used the privileges she enjoys for a cause she believes in.

 

Well done young lady.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

Your response to a poster's highlight of carbon hypocrisy with a query on how (I assumed) he personally negated the effects on climate change:

 

Now, what you have done is admirable in a boy scout sense. But in the context of this thread it seems you are bragging on how much diesel you are burning running these folks to voter registration and the hospital. I'm sorry but you can't have it both ways..

More unsubstantiated accusations.

 

 

[RickBradford]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Her achievement and her message is receiving wide coverage across news channels and the internet.

 

Importantly she has the attention of her own generation.

 

Less importantly she has the attention of the handful of TVF menders who are triggered into bitter cynicism by any and all positive environmental news, let alone any positive news of our young.

It isn't her message.

 

Her public pronouncements are being managed as carefully as a drone strike, by a group of career climate activists, notably Jennifer Morgan, who has worked with Greenpeace, WWF, Third Generation Environmentalism, US Climate Action Network, European Business Council for Sustainable Energy, New Climate Economy etc etc.

 

The unfortunate Greta is being used as a human shield to push extreme environmental policies which she probably barely understands, whose every utterance is the second-hand opinion of alarmist grown-ups whose doomsday claims she is completely unequipped to assess.

 

Mere emotional blackmail from the "progressive" Green/Left. It's what they do.

[dunroaming]

The world needs more Greta Thunberg's.  Crossing the Atlantic the way she did is merely a tool to highlight the problems that we are inflicting on the world, a world that Greta and her generation will inherit from us.  I have a 16 year old son who is also highly critical of the cavalier way people are behaving. He talks a lot of sense and we have now changed the way we travel, our buying habits and our attitude to climate change.  There is a sea change coming and it is being driven by the young and rightly so.

[from the home of CC]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh I see, the wealth of her family is a problem for you.

 

She’s used the privileges she enjoys for a cause she believes in.

 

Well done young lady.

The only problem I have about the money issue is that it is very easy and simple to deny yourself something when you know in your heart that it is just temporary. Try to sacrifice simple conveniences when you are having trouble putting the next meal on the table. A vast difference.

[simonjeffrey]

Stupid manipulated little girl

[thaiguzzi]

Only read the first page.

Surprised no "weirdo face - not very pretty comments" so far.

But a bunch of not pleasant, stupid , crass, and plain dis respectful comments par for the course on here, most of them by the same people who think the sun shines out of Trump's ar#e. Rather than the sky.

[brain150]

I still have to see any real science that CO2 changes the climate !

I have lots of science that says it is NOT science and that it is not true

or anywhere near scientific fact. ... coming out of the IPCC !!!

 

Greta is a poster girl for a big agenda coming from the people behind the UN and UNESCO ... using children is smart but also pretty evil !!!

 

Anybody who defends Greta is just as brainwashed as anybody who thinks she is the real deal.

... try to walk into any circle she walks in and out like she was Greta Garbo [for those who remember ...]. You would never pass security in Davos or even get into the UN Building !

Not unless you are very well connected or the pawn they want you to be.

 

 

[chokrai]

Why on earth would I give a damn about some child taking a trip across the ocean on a yacht? 

[Orton Rd]

Made made co2 is 3% of 0.04 % which is the carbon dioxide make up of the atmosphere, the other 97% of that 0.04% is natural. Hard to see how that tiny, tiny proportion is doing much to speed up climate change. It's a natural cycle but the loonies lap up this nonsense.

Edited August 29, 2019 by Orton Rd

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, Forethat said:

The sun is not in the middle of a grand solar minimum (which WOULD impact the earths climate). Back in June 2019, NASA claimed that there are signs that the sun has REACHED the grand solar minimum phase. Signs.

Just wanted to point that out since you based your entire argument on confusing facts.

 

You state that there's a weak link between the solar minimum and climate change, yet you use it to defend your claims of climate change...?

 

Anyways. Proceed.

Nor did I say that the sun is in the middle of a Grand Solar Minimum. How did you come up with that one?  I was commenting on a link from NCC1701A who introduced this solar cycle info into the thread . Namely this link concerning the concept of the solar minimum, (not the Grand Solar Minimum):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_minimum

 

The solar cycle or solar magnetic activity cycle is a nearly periodic 11-year change in the Sun's activity. Levels of solar radiation and ejection of solar material, the number and size of sunspots, solar flares, and coronal loops all exhibit a synchronized fluctuation, from active to quiet to active again, with a period of 11 years. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle

So every solar cycle has a minimum. This one is particularly deep.

 

And yes, I did state that there's a weak link between the solar minimum and global temperature. 

"The sunspot cycle variation of 0.1% has small but detectable effects on the Earth's climate.^[81][82][83] Camp and Tung suggest that solar irradiance correlates with a variation of 0.18 K ±0.08 K (0.32 °F ±0.14 °F) in measured average global temperature between solar maximum and minimum.^[84]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle

 

The point is, of course, that despite the fact that solar minima impose a slightly cooling effect on climate, we are in the midst of record breaking high global temperatures. And what makes this especially noteworthy is that even though we are now in a deep solar minimum July was the warmest month ever recorded. I wrote that this solar minimum was the lowest for 100 years but now it seems it could be actually 200 years. Which only makes the case against the importance of solar cycles even weaker.

 

And the fact is that solar activity in the entire current solar cycle has been at a very very low level. And yet the global average temperature is getting higher at an increasing rate. 

 

 

 

[Chazar]

lock her up, she  should have   swum across at the very least.

[Chazar]

6 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Made made co2 is 3% of 0.04 % which is the carbon dioxide make up of the atmosphere, the other 97% of that 0.04% is natural. Hard to see how that tiny, tiny proportion is doing much to speed up climate change. It's a natural cycle but the loonies lap up this nonsense.

not  only  that but the lack of "free  speech" is  doing wonders for their  cause

[Tug]

Pretty pathetic to see a bunch of guys attacking an autistic kid you go kiddo I’d be proud if you were my daughter!

[Forethat]

17 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Nor did I say that the sun is in the middle of a Grand Solar Minimum. How did you come up with that one?  I was commenting on a link from NCC1701A who introduced this solar cycle info into the thread . Namely this link concerning the concept of the solar minimum, (not the Grand Solar Minimum):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_minimum

 

The solar cycle or solar magnetic activity cycle is a nearly periodic 11-year change in the Sun's activity. Levels of solar radiation and ejection of solar material, the number and size of sunspots, solar flares, and coronal loops all exhibit a synchronized fluctuation, from active to quiet to active again, with a period of 11 years. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle

So every solar cycle has a minimum. This one is particularly deep.

 

And yes, I did state that there's a weak link between the solar minimum and global temperature. 

"The sunspot cycle variation of 0.1% has small but detectable effects on the Earth's climate.^[81][82][83] Camp and Tung suggest that solar irradiance correlates with a variation of 0.18 K ±0.08 K (0.32 °F ±0.14 °F) in measured average global temperature between solar maximum and minimum.^[84]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle

 

The point is, of course, that despite the fact that solar minima impose a slightly cooling effect on climate, we are in the midst of record breaking high global temperatures. And what makes this especially noteworthy is that even though we are now in a deep solar minimum July was the warmest month ever recorded. I wrote that this solar minimum was the lowest for 100 years but now it seems it could be actually 200 years. Which only makes the case against the importance of solar cycles even weaker.

 

And the fact is that solar activity in the entire current solar cycle has been at a very very low level. And yet the global average temperature is getting higher at an increasing rate. 

 

 

 

I'm not trying to contest climate change (and I don't want to get into a debate regarding its cause). What I meant was to point out the contradictory statements in your post where on the one side you claim that "there is a weak link between solar minimums and global temperature" only to point out a few lines later that a couple of local temperature records were set "despite the dampening effect of the solar minimum".

 

Either or, so to speak...

 

Lastly, just wanted to clarify that I never claimed that you wrote that the sun is in the middle of a Grand Solar Minimum (I know you didn't). What I wrote was: 

"You state that there's a weak link between the solar minimum and climate change"

 

Edited August 29, 2019 by Forethat

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, Forethat said:

I'm not trying to contest climate change (and I don't want to get into a debate regarding its cause). What I meant was to point out the contradictory statements in your post where on the one side you claim that "there is a weak link between solar minimums and global temperature" only to point out a few lines later that a couple of local temperature records were set "despite the dampening effect of the solar minimum".

 

Either or, so to speak...

 

But there is a weak link between the solar minimum and temperature. And despite that link, the global temperature is trending higher.

[bristolboy]

20 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Made made co2 is 3% of 0.04 % which is the carbon dioxide make up of the atmosphere, the other 97% of that 0.04% is natural. Hard to see how that tiny, tiny proportion is doing much to speed up climate change. It's a natural cycle but the loonies lap up this nonsense.

False. 

The industrial activities that our modern civilization depends upon have raised atmospheric carbon dioxide levels from 280 parts per million to 400 parts per million in the last 150 years. 

https://climate.nasa.gov/blog/984/

[Jai Dee]

Several troll posts as well as replies have been removed.

[mikebike]

4 hours ago, the guest said:

I'm wondering what type of reception she will get, given the President has no interest in the Climate. 

You didn't read the story, did you? Or even the headline apparently.

[Chazar]

34 minutes ago, Tug said:

Pretty pathetic to see a bunch of guys attacking an autistic kid you go kiddo I’d be proud if you were my daughter!

Whats "autistic" got to do with anything would it be  better if they had one  leg, how do you rank them? but more so why do you feel the need to?

[Chazar]

25 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

False. 

The industrial activities that our modern civilization depends upon have raised atmospheric carbon dioxide levels from 280 parts per million to 400 parts per million in the last 150 years. 

https://climate.nasa.gov/blog/984/

and improved your standard of  living accordingly

[mikebike]

3 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

what? that is the world you want to live in.

 

walking to the restaurant? food trucked in? will your shower be hot?

what is your boat made out of? was it designed on a computer? where does the electricity come from? all hand built? no power tools? did you use a GPS? how did the magic satellites get up in the air? are you flying back home? do you use the internet? 

 

You seem to have fallen for the fossil fuel industry's lobby talking points. Environmental awareness and activism means doing a few things to make the planet sustainable. It does not mean no meat, planes, or technology. If doing a few things better is too much for you, I really hope you don't have kids or grandkids...

[Chazar]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

The boat has no shower or toilets, and those aboard including Thunberg's father and crew members ate cold canned food throughout the trip.

good  luck back there in the stone  age but I dont want that.

Now  how did they make that boat exactly, was it grown from reeds, any plastics used in it?

[Chomper Higgot]

56 minutes ago, chokrai said:

Why on earth would I give a damn about some child taking a trip across the ocean on a yacht? 

I don’t know, but she demonstrably did get your attention.

 

And the attention of countless millions of others.