Trump favors 'whole deal' with China, two sides prepare for trade talks

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Trump favors 'whole deal' with China, two sides prepare for trade talks

By Jeff Mason and Chris Prentice

 

FILE PHOTO: China's Ministry of Commerce spokesperson Gao Feng attends a news conference at the commerce ministry in Beijing, China, June 19, 2018. REUTERS/Thomas Peter/File Photo

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Thursday he preferred a comprehensive trade deal with China but did not rule out the possibility of an interim pact, even as he said an "easy" agreement would not be possible.

 

"I'd rather get the whole deal done," Trump told reporters at the White House. "I see a lot of analysts are saying an interim deal, meaning we'll do pieces of it, the easy ones first. But there's no easy or hard. There's a deal or there's not a deal. But it's something we would consider, I guess."

 

The president's remarks came as the world's two largest economies prepare for new rounds of talks aimed at curbing a more-than-year-long trade war that has hurt global economic growth and rattled financial markets.

 

The two sides have been making conciliatory gestures ahead of the talks, lowering the temperature between them and cheering investors.

 

China renewed purchases of U.S. farm goods, which the United States welcomed, and Trump delayed a tariff increase on certain Chinese goods by two weeks in honor, he said, of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

 

Lower-level U.S. and Chinese officials are expected to meet next week in Washington ahead of talks between senior trade negotiators in early October. Top-level negotiators last met face-to-face in China in July.

 

Washington is pressing China to end practices it considers unfair, including intellectual property theft, industrial subsidies, currency manipulation, and forced technology transfer from U.S. companies to Chinese counterparts.

 

Trump has made clear he wants such elements to be part of a deal and has demonstrated his resolve through tariff increases, even when they dented gains in the stock market.

 

Meeting U.S. demands would require structural change in China, which so far it has been unwilling to make. The two sides came close to a deal in May, but Chinese officials balked at requirements that Chinese laws be altered as part of the deal.

 

ECONOMIC IMPACT

The trade war is affecting the global economy. The International Monetary Fund on Thursday forecast that U.S. and Chinese tit-for-tat tariffs could reduce global GDP in 2020 by 0.8% and trigger more losses afterward.

 

Still, global stocks rose on Thursday after the conciliatory gestures from both sides.

 

China importers bought at least 10 cargoes, or 600,000 tonnes, of U.S. soybeans for October-December shipment, the country's most significant purchases since at least June, U.S. traders with direct knowledge of the deals said.

 

That came after Trump on Wednesday announced his delay in the increase in tariffs on some Chinese goods by two weeks and China exempted some U.S. drugs and other goods from tariffs.

 

While welcoming China's overtures, U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin sought to temper optimism in markets that the gestures might lead to a trade deal. He told CNBC that Trump was prepared to keep or even raise tariffs on Chinese imports and that Beijing had asked for more concessions beyond the removal of tariffs.

 

U.S. President Donald Trump told reporters on Thursday he would consider an interim trade deal with China - a step he said he has seen discussed by analysts - but said he would rather reach a larger agreement on the issues. Rough Cut (no reporter narration).

 

"The next month is important," Mnuchin said at a later event hosted by the New York Times. "We're hopeful we'll make progress. If we can get the right deal, we'll do a deal."

 

NO CHANGE 'ON THE FUNDAMENTALS'

The Wall Street Journal reported that China was seeking to narrow the scope of negotiations to trade matters by excluding national security issues. National security issues have not, however, been a key topic in the trade talks so far.

 

The soybean purchases sent benchmark prices of the commodity, of which China is the top buyer, soaring. They were the largest by private Chinese importers since Beijing raised import tariffs on the U.S. oilseed by 25% in July 2018 in retaliation for U.S. duties on Chinese goods. Duties were raised an additional 5% this month.

 

U.S. farmers, a core component of Trump's political base, have been among the hardest hit by the tariff battle that began more than a year ago and has escalated in recent weeks.

 

Earlier in the day in Beijing, Commerce Ministry spokesman Gao Feng said Chinese firms have started to inquire about prices for U.S. farm goods. He also said that China welcomed the U.S. delay to its scheduled tariff hike on billions of dollars worth of Chinese goods.

 

"(China) hopes both sides would continue to meet each other half way and adopt concrete actions to create favorable conditions for negotiations," Gao told a briefing, noting that possible purchases included pork and soybeans, both of which are still subject to hefty Chinese duties.

 

China has bought U.S. pork despite tariffs of 62% in place since last year because huge numbers of pigs have been culled across the country as Beijing struggles to contain an outbreak of African swine fever. The world's biggest pork consumer has hiked imports to make up the shortfall.

 

China said it would reduce purchases of U.S. farm products in August after Trump vowed to impose new tariffs on around $300 billion of Chinese goods.

 

On Wednesday Trump announced a delay in increasing tariffs on $250 billion worth of Chinese imports to Oct. 15 from Oct. 1. The tariffs on those goods were set to increase to 30% from 25%.

 

Earlier that day China announced it was exempting 16 types of U.S. products from tariffs, including some anti-cancer drugs and lubricants, as well as animal feed ingredients whey and fish meal.

 

William Reinsch, a former senior U.S. Commerce Department official, said the goodwill gestures should help, but big hurdles remained.

 

"Both sides are trying to find a way out of the box," he said. "Short term, that's good. But I don't think anything's changed on the fundamentals, and once they get back to the table, they'll discover that."

 

(Additional reporting by Stella Qiu, Ben Blanchard, Michael Martina, and Dominique Patton in Beijing, and Andrea Shalal in Washington; Editing by Sandra Maler)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-09-13

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[Tug]

Donald is fishing and China ain’t biting lol all they have to do is sit back and wait they know Donald needs it more than them they don’t have elections 

[exparte]

Get educated people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wot4YNEf5pI

The trade war has been in full effect since 2001. The US has just started to engage and challenge. Good for Trump.

[exparte]

40 minutes ago, Tug said:

Donald is fishing and China ain’t biting lol all they have to do is sit back and wait they know Donald needs it more than them they don’t have elections 

I don't think he is fishing at all. China's Current Accounts are near Zero as the reckless Chinese Banks have over leveraged themselves. They have 1.2 Trillion in US Treasury Bonds, and that is the only thing keeping them a float; and will likely blow through that quickly with trade tarrifs. The US Investment Banks who took the US Bailouts and Quantitative Easying provided by the FED; and ran to invest in China are at risk, but that is just part of their on-going risky behavior. Corporations cannot get their money out; and I personally know that some are even smuggling cash out through HK because of China's strict Currency Controls not allowing cash to flow beyond its borders. The Western Elites are at risk and are the biggest Lobbyist on K Street; and of course own most of the Western Media.

[Bluespunk]

21 minutes ago, exparte said:

Get educated people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wot4YNEf5pI

The trade war has been in full effect since 2001. The US has just started to engage and challenge. Good for Trump.

Love the fact that, in your attempt to support trump, you post a video of a man who voted for Hillary Clinton (not because he liked her, but because she was better than trump), regards trump as a stain on the office of president and is backing Elizabeth Warren in her presidential run against trump (again not because of her policies but because he thinks she will be tougher on China than trump).  

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/08/08/business/kyle-bass-elizabeth-warren-china-trade-war/index.html

[Morch]

7 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Love the fact that, in your attempt to support trump, you post a video of a man who voted for Hillary Clinton (not because he liked her, but because she was better than trump), regards trump as a stain on the office of president and is backing Elizabeth Warren in her presidential run against trump (again not because of her policies but because he thinks she will be tougher on China than trump).  

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/08/08/business/kyle-bass-elizabeth-warren-china-trade-war/index.html

 

Or even better, an investor who's past China predictions went bust.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Bass

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Bass#Chinese_banking_collapse

[car720]

3 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Love the fact that, in your attempt to support trump, you post a video of a man who voted for Hillary Clinton (not because he liked her, but because she was better than trump), regards trump as a stain on the office of president and is backing Elizabeth Warren in her presidential run against trump (again not because of her policies but because he thinks she will be tougher on China than trump).  

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/08/08/business/kyle-bass-elizabeth-warren-china-trade-war/index.html

Not the sharpest tool in the shed perhaps but he would make a good spin doctor.  

[edwinchester]

Clown needs reminding who said "Trade wars are good and easy to win".

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, edwinchester said:

Clown needs reminding who said "Trade wars are good and easy to win".

so easy to win and so far the master of the deal has done nothing that any normal human being with a little business experience wouldn't have done, he's not the king of the deal but the king of the BS

Deal he has been working on or claiming to be doing/negotiating:

China deal = 0

Iran           = 0

Venezuela = 0

Mexico      = 0

N Korea    = 0

Canada     = 0

Japan       = 0

 

Deals completed = 0 .... my 12 years old nephew would have done better 555

[Srikcir]

7 hours ago, exparte said:

that is the only thing keeping them a float

Well, there is China's increasing favorable trade balance with the U.S. since Trump started his trade war with China. Mean while the only thing keeping U.S. farmers afloat are subsidies. And you know China and Mexico aren't paying for those subsidies.

[Srikcir]

44 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Deal he has been working on or claiming to be doing/negotiating:

Add Afghanistan, Greenland and Palestine Territory.

Trump might have a new Book called the Art of Surrender.

Putin could do the Forward.

 

[Benmart]

9 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Love the fact that, in your attempt to support trump, you post a video of a man who voted for Hillary Clinton (not because he liked her, but because she was better than trump), regards trump as a stain on the office of president and is backing Elizabeth Warren in her presidential run against trump (again not because of her policies but because he thinks she will be tougher on China than trump).  

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/08/08/business/kyle-bass-elizabeth-warren-china-trade-war/index.html

Odd, I didn't read him stating he supported President Trump. Rather, you said it was an attempt to support the President. You use a well worn tactic to twist words to your own agenda, used often by the political left and right. Kudos on the attempt. By the way, I had trouble following your post. The run along sentences, and lack of punctuation, etc., was a challenge to navigate.

[CharlieH]

Troll comment removed

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, Benmart said:

Odd, I didn't read him stating he supported President Trump. Rather, you said it was an attempt to support the President. You use a well worn tactic to twist words to your own agenda, used often by the political left and right. Kudos on the attempt. By the way, I had trouble following your post. The run along sentences, and lack of punctuation, etc., was a challenge to navigate.

Nope. I was pointing out the incongruity of using someone to support trump, and his somewhat unsuccessful China policy, who is no fan of the “man”. 

 

Oh, take your grammar police trolling and export it to a place of your choosing. 

[Scott]

Off-topic post reported and removed.  

 

[CharlieH]

reported "grammar police" comment removed.

 

3. If possible please proofread your post first, poor grammar and spelling can make the post difficult to understand. However be aware that not every member is a native English speaker and excessive posts regarding others spelling and grammar not only hijacks the topic but is poor netiquette.
 

[zydeco]

22 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/08/08/business/kyle-bass-elizabeth-warren-china-trade-war/index.html

Which is precisely why I am supporting Warren, too. That, and she will go after Amazon, Google, and Facebook. These two things matter more than anything else, right now.

[djlest]

what makes me laugh is how ignorant everyone really is about the CHINESE TARRIFFS DEAL. Its not China that pays a single cent its actually the USA that pays for Tarriff hikes... anyone that has ordered products online and has had to pay Thai customs Tax will know very well who is responsible for paying import taxes. its you!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-tariffs-explainer/who-pays-trumps-tariffs-china-or-u-s-customers-and-companies-idUSKCN1SR1UI