Trump communication with foreign leader prompted whistleblower complaint -Washington Post

[usviphotography]

5 minutes ago, Becker said:

As Trump has the attention span of a gnat and the restraint of an alcoholic your "trap" theory is....ahem, far-fetched

When it comes to policy, perhaps, but on media issues, Trump has no such attention deficit problems. No conservative is fretting a discussion about Joe Biden extorting the Ukrainian President to benefit his son. Nor are they dreading the discussion of how exactly a kid with no experience whatsoever in the Energy business was given a "job" by a Ukrainian Oil company that paid him over 3 million dollars. And we've been waiting for the discussion of Ukraine's role in meddling in the 2016 election for years. If the Left wants to finally talk about Ukraine, bring it on. 

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, usviphotography said:

When it comes to policy, perhaps, but on media issues, Trump has no such attention deficit problems. No conservative is fretting a discussion about Joe Biden extorting the Ukrainian President to benefit his son. Nor are they dreading the discussion of how exactly a kid with no experience whatsoever in the Energy business was given a "job" by a Ukrainian Oil company that paid him over 3 million dollars. And we've been waiting for the discussion of Ukraine's role in meddling in the 2016 election for years. If the Left wants to finally talk about Ukraine, bring it on. 

Please, what evidence is there of Trump's restraint in dealing with the media?

 

No one anywhere should be fretting about it because it's nonsense. Joe Biden's alleged extortion was carrying out the policy of the United States and lots of other western democracies who were concerned about the prosecutor's reluctance to go after corruption.  As for the Ukraine's meddling...it was just releasing information about Russian slush fund payments to Manafort.

[Becker]

33 minutes ago, usviphotography said:

When it comes to policy, perhaps, but on media issues, Trump has no such attention deficit problems. No conservative is fretting a discussion about Joe Biden extorting the Ukrainian President to benefit his son. Nor are they dreading the discussion of how exactly a kid with no experience whatsoever in the Energy business was given a "job" by a Ukrainian Oil company that paid him over 3 million dollars. And we've been waiting for the discussion of Ukraine's role in meddling in the 2016 election for years. If the Left wants to finally talk about Ukraine, bring it on. 

Sure, let's talk about that. Let's also talk about how a kid with absolutely no foreign policy experience whatsoever is running parts of US foreign policy and how his wife, who has the same complete and utter lack of experience, is injecting herself into high-level meetings. OK?

Plenty of stuff for an impeachment right there.

 

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[Saint Nick]

19 hours ago, elmrfudd said:

Your obsession with a repeated perceived narrative and desired outcome is even more suspicious, and very sad indeed. But predictable

So...who would YOU like it to be?

Because obviously, the alleged treason doesn't interest you as much as the reaction of "the leftists"!

Kinda telling! 

[usviphotography]

49 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Please, what evidence is there of Trump's restraint in dealing with the media?

 

No one anywhere should be fretting about it because it's nonsense. Joe Biden's alleged extortion was carrying out the policy of the United States and lots of other western democracies who were concerned about the prosecutor's reluctance to go after corruption.  As for the Ukraine's meddling...it was just releasing information about Russian slush fund payments to Manafort.

 

The discussion was about disinterest. Trump may let policy issues fall by the wayside, but when it comes to the media he is a genius. And lol at who some prosecutor in Ukraine happens to be being part of "American Policy". And even if it were, which it wasn't, why would you send the man whose son has a vested interested in seeing that prosecutor gone to do the extorting? Is Obama just that stupid? Doubtful. Biden wasn't on a mission from the US. He was on a mission from his son. And we don't even need the extortion part to nail him. Why do you think a Ukrainian Oil company gives a kid with no experience but happens to be the son of the Vice President of the United States a 3 million dollar job? That is called a "bribe" in the real world. 

 

And I love the hypocrisy involved in defending a Ukrainian MP handing over information about Manafort to Hillary Clinton's shell company Fusion GPS while at the same time arguing Trump should be impeached because Russians may have provided similar information to an independent media outlet.  

[Saint Nick]

1 hour ago, usviphotography said:

When it comes to policy, perhaps, but on media issues, Trump has no such attention deficit problems. No conservative is fretting a discussion about Joe Biden extorting the Ukrainian President to benefit his son. Nor are they dreading the discussion of how exactly a kid with no experience whatsoever in the Energy business was given a "job" by a Ukrainian Oil company that paid him over 3 million dollars. And we've been waiting for the discussion of Ukraine's role in meddling in the 2016 election for years. If the Left wants to finally talk about Ukraine, bring it on. 

Are you by any chance involved with QAnon?

 

[candide]

10 minutes ago, usviphotography said:

And I love the hypocrisy involved in defending a Ukrainian MP handing over information about Manafort to Hillary Clinton's shell company Fusion GPS while at the same time arguing Trump should be impeached because Russians may have provided similar information to an independent media outlet.  

Well, for a start, the information about Manafort has not been hacked from the accounts of a presidential candidate (who also happened to be a government's official), on servers located in the USA. So there was a crime according to the US law.

Additionally, there is no "may". It has been corroborated by several intelligence organisations.

[Morch]

4 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

How is it to live in a country lead by an dictator?

 

A wannabe dictator, at best.

I don't think he's got what it takes to actually become one.

[bristolboy]

As some may recall, for months the Trump administration had put the transfer of military aid to the Ukraine on hold. Despite repeated attempts to get an explanation for the delay, none was forthcoming. I think we have our explanation now. I think it's a reasonable surmise that either the Ukrainians agreed to Trump's demands or the whistleblower put the fear into Trump.

[joecoolfrog]

6 hours ago, elmrfudd said:

not dropping off, but you can guess what happened to them.

Psychiatric hospital ?

[Silurian]

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

As some may recall, for months the Trump administration had put the transfer of military aid to the Ukraine on hold. Despite repeated attempts to get an explanation for the delay, none was forthcoming. I think we have our explanation now. I think it's a reasonable surmise that either the Ukrainians agreed to Trump's demands or the whistleblower put the fear into Trump.

 

Hey all you Trump supporters!

 

IF this comes out as the case that Trump used the promise of military aid to Ukraine in return for opposition research on a potential political rival (Joe Biden), would you consider this as an impeachable offense or are you all okay with this?

 

I really want to know if even in this case, you support this type of action by a sitting president?

 

[Jingthing]

 
Hey all you Trump supporters!
 
IF this comes out as the case that Trump used the promise of military aid to Ukraine in return for opposition research on a potential political rival (Joe Biden), would you consider this as an impeachable offense or are you all okay with this?
 
I really want to know if even in this case, you support this type of action by a sitting president?
 

No need to ask. Of course they would be OK with it.

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[metisdead]

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[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, Morch said:

 

A wannabe dictator, at best.

I don't think he's got what it takes to actually become one.

No, but some of those behind him do.

[Becker]

40 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No, but some of those behind him do.

Yes, like Putin.

[chokrai]

59 minutes ago, Becker said:

Yes, like Putin.

Cognitive dissonance much?

[Morch]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No, but some of those behind him do.

 

Names, young master Higgot, names! We have to have names.

[bristolboy]

Trump declines to say whether he discussed Joe Biden in call with Ukrainian president

President Trump declined to say Friday whether he had discussed Joe Biden or his family during a July phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that has drawn intense scrutiny, but he told reporters that “someone ought to look into” the former vice president...

Asked Friday if he had discussed Biden with Zelensky, Trump told reporters in the Oval Office, “It doesn’t matter what I discussed.”...

Trump also labeled the whistleblower “partisan” but said he did not know his or her identity...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-issues-fresh-denial-of-a-dicey-conversation-with-a-foreign-leader/2019/09/20/00da79dc-dba3-11e9-a688-303693fb4b0b_story.html

[Silurian]

Trump doesn't deny asking world leader about Biden, says conversations are 'always appropriate'

 

Well there you go. It doesn't matter what was discussed as it is always appropriate.

 

So military favors for dirt on an opponent is appropriate as long as it is done by the President. 

 

Looks like the reality TV con man wins! He can give away the country for personal gain and his followers don't care, the Senate doesn't care and the Justice department doesn't care.

[candide]

11 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Trump declines to say whether he discussed Joe Biden in call with Ukrainian president

President Trump declined to say Friday whether he had discussed Joe Biden or his family during a July phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that has drawn intense scrutiny, but he told reporters that “someone ought to look into” the former vice president...

Asked Friday if he had discussed Biden with Zelensky, Trump told reporters in the Oval Office, “It doesn’t matter what I discussed.”...

Trump also labeled the whistleblower “partisan” but said he did not know his or her identity...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-issues-fresh-denial-of-a-dicey-conversation-with-a-foreign-leader/2019/09/20/00da79dc-dba3-11e9-a688-303693fb4b0b_story.html

This one is good, too!

Rudy Giuliani denies asking Ukraine to investigate Biden -- before admitting it

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/19/politics/rudy-giuliani-joe-biden-ukraine-cnntv/index.html

 

[Tug]

To bad it’s so hard to dump a bad president in our system but with the extreme cowardice displayed by the republicans we have to try to limit the damage till 2020 and to some earlier posts who said Donald sprung a trap there may be some truth to the matter but it was sprung waaaaayyyy early Donald holding up aid in exchange for political information on an adversary is corruption in the extreme come on 2020!!

[Jingthing]

Possibly an IMPEACHMENT WORTHY smoking gun but if the white house succeeds in yet another outrageous case of obstruction of congress (that's how they roll), then we won't even know. If there is nothing to hide, why do they insist on hiding it?

 

 

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What might finally ensnare Trump

 

President Trump tweeted on Thursday as the whistleblower scandal was unfolding: “Is anybody dumb enough to believe that I would say something inappropriate with a foreign leader while on such a potentially ‘heavily populated’ call?” Actually, any sentient being knows that Trump has no idea what is and is not appropriate, so he would absolutely say something on a call that others found shocking. He told George Stephanopoulos he would take help from a foreign power again.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/20/what-may-finally-ensnare-trump/

[mtls2005]

He needs a pretty big shooting war to get out of this mess.

 

 

"If you mention extortion one more time I'll have your legs broken." - Carmine DePasto, "Animal House"

 

Amazing so many other WH staff listening in on this call didn't raise red flags, but then maybe this was just SOP for this president.

 

Wonder how many tapes there are out there, I mean besides what Putin, Kim, MBS, Mark Burnett have? Expect they'll slowly trickle out until he resigns. 

[bristolboy]

7 hours ago, candide said:

This one is good, too!

Rudy Giuliani denies asking Ukraine to investigate Biden -- before admitting it

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/19/politics/rudy-giuliani-joe-biden-ukraine-cnntv/index.html

 

Also, Giuliani's meeting with the Ukrainians was arranged by the State Department. Guiliani is Trump's personal lawyer. Yet the State Department is actively assisting him?

[Scott]

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[Becker]

Link:Trump pressured Ukraine's President to investigate Biden's son

 

Again Trumps has asked a foreign power to interfere in a US election. That's the very definition of treachery.

[Becker]

Link:Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani contradicts himself while discussing whistleblower complaint

 

"No, actually I didn't," Rudy Giuliani said on CNN about asking Ukraine to investigate Biden. When pressed again, he said: "Of course I did."

 

I guess you can give an interview on national tv coming off as being a lying looney when the one person you wanna impress is exactly the same.

[Becker]

16 hours ago, chokrai said:

Cognitive dissonance much?

If you're gonna use "big" words or terminology you should first strive to learn their meaning so that you can avoid making a total fool of yourself using those words wrongly.

Unfortunately, you didn't make the effort.

[FritsSikkink]

On ‎9‎/‎20‎/‎2019 at 11:09 AM, riclag said:

 More conspiracy theories and lies. Mr. Trump was never found to conspire with the russians! Trolling 

Now he tried it with Ukraine, wanted to get dirt on Biden son, asked many times didn't get what he wanted and now stops aid to Ukraine.  

[RJRS1301]

44 minutes ago, Becker said:

If you're gonna use "big" words or terminology you should first strive to learn their meaning so that you can avoid making a total fool of yourself using those words wrongly.

Unfortunately, you didn't make the effort.

cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort (psychological stress) experienced by a person who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. This discomfort is triggered by a situation in which a person's belief clashes with new evidence perceived by the person.