Supreme Court: Suspending Parliament was unlawful, judges rule

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

The referendum was a demand to leave the EU. 

And UK is free to do so. The judges have, more or less, only ruled that Johnson illegally tried to keep parliament out of the process.

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

6 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

The judges and the Establishment are the ones breaking a moral law and code of honour by having done all they can for three years to defy that demand made by the British people who employ the MPs and judges.

Protecting the rule of law is a very moral and honorable thing. Much more so than the attempt to

overturn it because a group of people have demands but no majority. 

[soalbundy]

Just now, yogi100 said:

The referendum was a demand to leave the EU. 

 

The judges and the Establishment are the ones breaking a moral law and code of honour by having done all they can for three years to defy that demand made by the British people who employ the MPs and judges.

Nobody beats the establishment in the long run. Democracy is eye candy, in a way the Chinese are more honest about the way they govern because the establishment is in the open and everyone knows who holds the stick, in the West nobody knows who holds it but they are very good at pretending the people do. It makes no difference as long as you don't believe the BS and lose your legs for Queen and country.

[Estrada]

13 hours ago, evadgib said:

In it's ten year existence it's done nothing but! ????

Just like Boris and Farage, Fake News, which is how these liars fooled the some of the public into voting to leave!. Effectively it has existed for 143 years! It was established as the Law Lords under the Appellate Jurisdiction Act in 1876, only the name changed to the Supreme Court in October 2009 when the Appellate commitee moved into a seperate building on the other side of Parliament Square. It is non-partisan.

 

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[Scott]

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[kamahele]

14 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

This is terrible news. I suppose the verdict here essentially takes us back to 1997 when the then PM John Major prorogued parliament for 3 weeks to stop an inquiry into his govts corruption. So by the fruit of the poisoned tree principles anything that took place after this illegal act effectively didn't happen. All jails will be emptied(except for the few lifers convicted before 1997), all buildings made after 1997 will be tore down as planning has been deemed null and void. At least we can smoke inside pubs again, as from 20 minutes ago.

 The ramifications of this will be earth shattering. All to undo the democratic will and referendum result voted by 17.4 million people. Let the madness begin!

Is this post meant for comedy?

[kamahele]

And Donald Trump has once again one upped Boris Johnson as impeachment hearings have been announced just hours after the UK Supreme Court decision. The Ball is now in your court Boris!

[yogi100]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The statute book of ‘moral law’, do you have a copy I can have a look at?

Honouring the result of the referendum is observing moral law or it should be.

 

The book you inquired about is probably on the internet somewhere but you'll have to search for it yourself or employ a secretary or research assistant if you don't understand nor agree with the concept of moral law.

 

The establishment are trying to make us follow in the footsteps of Ireland and Denmark and by doing so will reduce the British people as being as open to manipulation, corruption and intimidation as the Irish and Danes were. 

[evadgib]

29 minutes ago, Estrada said:

Just like Boris and Farage, Fake News, which is how these liars fooled the some of the public into voting to leave!. Effectively it has existed for 143 years! It was established as the Law Lords under the Appellate Jurisdiction Act in 1876, only the name changed to the Supreme Court in October 2009 when the Appellate commitee moved into a seperate building on the other side of Parliament Square. It is non-partisan.

 

Yeah, right ????

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

Honouring the result of the referendum is observing moral law or it should be.

 

The book you inquired about is probably on the internet somewhere but you'll have to search for it yourself or employ a secretary or research assistant if you don't understand nor agree with the concept of moral law.

 

The establishment are trying to make us follow in the footsteps of Ireland and Denmark and by doing so will reduce the British people as being as open to manipulation, corruption and intimidation as the Irish and Danes were. 

‘The Establishment’ 

 

Just listen at yourself.

 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

52 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

Protecting the rule of law is a very moral and honorable thing. Much more so than the attempt to

overturn it because a group of people have demands but no majority. 

This.

[Rookiescot]

But surely one of the reasons we were given to vote Leave was to take back control and have UK laws in UK courts.

 

Well thats what we got.

[yogi100]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

‘The Establishment’ 

 

Just listen at yourself.

 

 

 

 

Don't you mean listen 'to' yourself.

 

There are several entries on Wikipedia relating to ‘The Establishment’ and a book called The Establishment And How They Get Away With It.

 

If you're unfamiliar with the term it refers to a group of elite, wealthy and influential people who have the final say about issues that affect our daily lives.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, yogi100 said:

Don't you mean listen 'to' yourself.

 

There are several entries on Wikipedia relating to ‘The Establishment’ and a book called The Establishment And How They Get Away With It.

 

If you're unfamiliar with the term it refers to a group of elite, wealthy and influential people who have the final say about issues that affect our daily lives.

And you dont think old Etonians like Johnson, Cameron and Reese Mogg are not establishment?

[soalbundy]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

And you dont think old Etonians like Johnson, Cameron and Reese Mogg are not establishment?

maybe establishment waiters

[DannyCarlton]

46 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

The referendum was a demand to leave the EU. 

 

The judges and the Establishment are the ones breaking a moral law and code of honour by having done all they can for three years to defy that demand made by the British people who employ the MPs and judges.

Err...excuse me. Did I miss something here? Weren't we due to leave at the end of March? Wasn't the only reason that we didn't leave because the ERG wanted a no deal brexit and voted against Mays deal? Isn't it true that if all Tory MPs and the DUP (who did vote for Mays deal) had voted for May's deal, we would have been out of the EU long ago?

 

Don't try to shift the blame, the Tory extreme right (including Johnson) shot themselves in the foot. But, of course, deflection is the Brexiteer modus operandi.

 

And don't give us "May's deal was BRINO". Complete nonsense, the only difference between May's deal and a no deal Brexit was that we would have separated from the EU in an orderly manner. The backstop, remaining in the CU and the Irish border needed a technological solution to resolve it. A technology that doesn't exist currently. Impartial observers reckoned that it would take 3-5 years to develop. Johnson reckoned it was doable in 2. And then we would have been out of the customs union.

 

The backstop hasn't been used by the remain camp to keep us in the EU, it's been used by the extreme right Tories to ensuere that we crash out with no deal and the ERG can make their fortunes from watching the economy crash and burn, which they have gambled on.

[nkg]

It's always interesting to see what the commenters on the BBC website are saying.

 

 

The top 2 comments seem in favour of the decision. A little further down the page:

 

 

Here we have 1 in 3 blaming the Supreme Court judges.

 

It is worrying how divided the country is becoming.

 

 

 

[soalbundy]

Just now, nkg said:

It's always interesting to see what the commenters on the BBC website are saying.

 

 

The top 2 comments seem in favour of the decision. A little further down the page:

 

 

Here we have 1 in 3 blaming the Supreme Court judges.

 

It is worrying how divided the country is becoming.

 

 

 

becoming?

[yogi100]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

And you dont think old Etonians like Johnson, Cameron and Reese Mogg are not establishment?

Obviously not in this case. They support the majority of the people who voted by a majority of 1.3 million to leave etc etc.

 

The invisible strong men in the civil service behind the government have demonstrated that the will of the minority rules when it fits in with their wishes.

[JonnyF]

9 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

But surely one of the reasons we were given to vote Leave was to take back control and have UK laws in UK courts.

 

Well thats what we got.

Except we seem to be missing the "Leave" part ????.

 

It does make perfect sense though, that the anti democratic Remainers seeking to overturn the democratic vote would support unelected judges over-ruling political decisions taken by an elected government. At least your stance is consistent. ????

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Except we seem to be missing the "Leave" part ????.

 

It does make perfect sense though, that the anti democratic Remainers seeking to overturn the democratic vote would support unelected judges over-ruling political decisions taken by an elected government. At least your stance is consistent. ????

We could have left in March but Brexit fundamentalists blocked it.

[JonnyF]

13 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

And you dont think old Etonians like Johnson, Cameron and Reese Mogg are not establishment?

 

These individuals are supporting the majority of UK citizens that voted to Leave. Not trying to over-ride the Democratic vote like the HOC, the Civil service and the House of Lords.

[Blue Muton]

14 hours ago, JAG said:

Well I have to say that I am not particularly surprised. The "Remain Campaign" has from before the referendum, been very much the child of the establishment. The courts are after all the product of the establishment, and I suspect that the government realised that from the start.

 

Amidst the whole sea of opinions, campaigns, parliamentary and party machinations a couple of fixed points poke out of the foam.  One: the people of the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union in the referendum. Two: the subsequent general election returned a parliament, of which the overwhelming majority of members, on both sides of the house, were elected on manifestoes which stated that the result of the referendum was to be honoured, and the UK was to leave the EU. Both results, obtained through the ballot box, have effectively been overturned by this establishment, and a general election, the proper constitutional means to arrive at a solution has been denied. It is tempting if perhaps melodramatic to suggest that the establishment has vigorously and contemptibly put two fingers up to the electorate.

 

Where do we go from here? I suspect that it will be some time before we have an election - the Labour Party, which has spent the last week in conference busily confirming its reputation as being unelectable will not want one until they are sure that they can win it - a long wait; and the Conservative rebels will not want one unless they can oust Johnson and his team and replace them with their own people, if they don't manage that then they know that come an election they will be toast! We are probably in for quite a long period of a stalled government, and yet more choleric grandstanding from Mr Speaker Bercow - he won't resign now!

Yet again: The result of a referendum marred by most serious electoral fraud committed by the leave campaign deserves no respect, and no honouring. Had the leave campaign shown any respect for the rule of law covering the referendum you might have had a point. They didn't and you don't, no matter how many times you repeat it.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

We could have left in March but Brexit fundamentalists blocked it.

Perhaps because they hadn’t yet placed all their hedge fund bets against the UK.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

These individuals are supporting the majority of UK citizens that voted to Leave. Not trying to over-ride the Democratic vote like the HOC, the Civil service and the House of Lords.

The majority of UK citizens did not vote to leave.

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

We could have left in March but Brexit fundamentalists blocked it.

The ruling elite. The ERG. The Eton, Oxford, Bullingdon club ruling classes. The "We make the laws, the proles have to abide by them, we don't" upper classes. Those that are so admired by Brexiteer cannon fodder.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

We could have left in March but Brexit fundamentalists blocked it.

Parliament is predominately made up of Remainers. So how could a few Brexiteers block it? It was a Remain Parliament that blocked it. The likes of Johnson and Rees Mogg voted for it he 3rd time and it still failed. 

 

You are clutching at straws to hide your anti-democratic views. You are right to hide them, they are extremely undesirable in 21st Century Britain ????.

[Blue Muton]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

These individuals are supporting the majority of UK citizens that voted to Leave. Not trying to over-ride the Democratic vote like the HOC, the Civil service and the House of Lords.

Multiple convictions of electoral fraud prove it was not a democratic vote, stop pretending otherwise. 

The majority of UK citizens most certainly did not vote to Leave, as you put it, that is a lie. 17.4 million people out of over 60 million is a majority now?

[nkg]

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

becoming?

 

Perhaps I should have said "It is worrying how the country is becoming increasingly divided."

[Blue Muton]

Just now, JonnyF said:

Parliament is predominately made up of Remainers. So how could a few Brexiteers block it? It was a Remain Parliament that blocked it. The likes of Johnson and Rees Mogg voted for it he 3rd time and it still failed. 

 

You are clutching at straws to hide your anti-democratic views. You are right to hide them, they are extremely undesirable in 21st Century Britain ????.

How dare you use the anti-democratic label when the leave side committed so much fraud?