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[alan grice]

No longer Apple V Other Phones, Mini Vans v SUVs ,and old hat topics. Just got back from the US, and i never want to hear about the merits /de merits of Battery Cars. If i hear another complaint about folks leaving their Teslas on charge till Check Out Time at Hotels ill sue someone whos a topic here.!. it really put me off as a Touring Vehicle .[emoji86][emoji86]

[taichiplanet]

Hmm, i think someone needs a hug or a beer. Or both!

[alan grice]

As long as its not from a Male Greenie Freak, id accept.!.????[emoji481]


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[Lancashirelad]

Tesla have their own charge points, so Tesla owners being selfish and blocking Tesla charge points only affects other Tesla drivers.

[sirineou]

Our apologies to the OP , after all  this forum is just for you.

  If you could please provide as with a list of subjects you are interested in , we will endeavour to provide better content for you. 

Also please stop going to the US, you know it always makes you cranky when you come back.

[canthai55]

The True cause of your concern ...

1. Going to the US

2. Admitting it

555

Edited October 3, 2019 by canthai55

[tifino]

I know!   put noggins together to think of an interesting Allan Grice NASCAR subject? 

  

 welll... this is a motoring forum... and he'd certainly waken a few thai drivers with his history!

[Matzzon]

On 9/26/2019 at 5:04 AM, alan grice said:

No longer Apple V Other Phones, Mini Vans v SUVs ,and old hat topics. Just got back from the US, and i never want to hear about the merits /de merits of Battery Cars. If i hear another complaint about folks leaving their Teslas on charge till Check Out Time at Hotels ill sue someone whos a topic here.!. it really put me off as a Touring Vehicle .

Are you for real, or is it more to this story? Ended a long relationship lately, and lost you Tesla and battery house?

[alan grice]

Has anyone rented Tesla.If so your opinion may be same as mine. No good for a rental tourist.


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[fredob43]

1 hour ago, alan grice said:

Has anyone rented Tesla.If so your opinion may be same as mine. No good for a rental tourist.


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Anyone with half a brain cell wouldn't buy or rent an all electric car at present, they don't have enough power to get you anywhere. If the cap fit's then wear it.

[DavisH]

11 hours ago, fredob43 said:

Anyone with half a brain cell wouldn't buy or rent an all electric car at present, they don't have enough power to get you anywhere. If the cap fit's then wear it.

It would be ok for a second car and limited to local driving. They already had over 100 mg zs ev booked already. Some people just don't drive very far. Especially Bangkokians. 

[eezergood]

21 minutes ago, DavisH said:

It would be ok for a second car and limited to local driving. They already had over 100 mg zs ev booked already. Some people just don't drive very far. Especially Bangkokians. 

As a long touring car they maybe limited (for now) but for normal (low km)  commuting i really don't see too much of an issue. I know my commute from home to work is about 20-22 km, so I know that i need to fill my car every 7-10 days (for example) wouldn't you simply just re-charge when the indicator gets to say 20% ?? 

[DavisH]

11 minutes ago, eezergood said:

As a long touring car they maybe limited (for now) but for normal (low km)  commuting i really don't see too much of an issue. I know my commute from home to work is about 20-22 km, so I know that i need to fill my car every 7-10 days (for example) wouldn't you simply just re-charge when the indicator gets to say 20% ?? 

The mg comes with a free home charger for the first 1000 customers. So recharging should never be an issue if shortish return trips are made. Got decent acceleration to boot.

[fredob43]

39 minutes ago, DavisH said:

The mg comes with a free home charger for the first 1000 customers. So recharging should never be an issue if shortish return trips are made. Got decent acceleration to boot.

Well done you on having a home charger. But if you go on a run your not at home defeats the object somewhat.

 

I will be doing a 1000+km return run in a couple of weeks to see friends that are here on holiday.

I shall leave my house top up with fuel and continue on my 500km run. Shall pick up friends that night for dinner out. Next day I shall do some top up shopping. Then repeating picking up friends again.

 

Next day I shall leave picking up a chum from the Airport on the way back home stopping off for Brunch. Same place as brunch will top up with fuel yet again as I might not make it back home.

Total time for a top ups lets say 20 min: but more like 8.

 

Question how would any Electric car be able to do that trip. I wouldn't be able to get even half way there on the first bit. Let alone any other part of my trip.

 

The only thing Elc: car are good for at present in as a second car for shopping or going locally to work.

 

I was looking at a program on UK BBC1 the other day, Called rip off Britain they cover all sorts of consumer problems. This one was on Elec: cars not doing the millage that was specified in the book. So they took one out on a run for testing. Hot day so A/con was used, they managed to get 140 miles or around 200km, before it went T/its up. That was 1 up not a full load. Sorry but their Totally useless.   

[alan grice]

Stupid little things pop up when U Rent Tesla. Like the chargers are not covered like popping in for Petrol . You meet friends for Dinner dressed nicely and it pisses down with Rain.The Vacant chargers allways the furthest away from the Entrance.


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[Just Weird]

49 minutes ago, alan grice said:

Stupid little things pop up when U Rent Tesla. Like the chargers are not covered like popping in for Petrol . You meet friends for Dinner dressed nicely and it pisses down with Rain.The Vacant chargers allways the furthest away from the Entrance.

Ah, that's clarified it, you're blaming Tesla for the weather.

[alan grice]

Ah, that's clarified it, you're blaming Tesla for the weather.

Later , that will happen when we realize Battery isnt biogradeable and caused the Ice Age.!.☃️[emoji481]


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[Just Weird]

7 minutes ago, alan grice said:

Later , that will happen when we realize Battery isnt biogradeable and caused the Ice Age.!.☃️

Unfortunately, I think that you may have made that comment in all seriousness.

[NCC1701A]

my friend has two Teslas and until you feel the incredible acceleration it is hard to believe.

[VocalNeal]

5 minutes ago, NCC1701A said:

my friend has two Teslas and until you feel the incredible acceleration it is hard to believe.

Advice from my grandfather? Never run to catch a trolley bus. 

 

Generations apart same sentiment.

[VocalNeal]

1 hour ago, fredob43 said:

Well done you on having a home charger. But if you go on a run your not at home defeats the object somewhat.

 

I will be doing a 1000+km return run in a couple of weeks to see friends that are here on holiday.

I shall leave my house top up with fuel and continue on my 500km run. Shall pick up friends that night for dinner out. Next day I shall do some top up shopping. Then repeating picking up friends again.

 

Next day I shall leave picking up a chum from the Airport on the way back home stopping off for Brunch. Same place as brunch will top up with fuel yet again as I might not make it back home.

Total time for a top ups lets say 20 min: but more like 8.

 

Question how would any Electric car be able to do that trip. I wouldn't be able to get even half way there on the first bit. Let alone any other part of my trip.

 

The only thing Elc: car are good for at present in as a second car for shopping or going locally to work.

 

I was looking at a program on UK BBC1 the other day, Called rip off Britain they cover all sorts of consumer problems. This one was on Elec: cars not doing the millage that was specified in the book. So they took one out on a run for testing. Hot day so A/con was used, they managed to get 140 miles or around 200km, before it went T/its up. That was 1 up not a full load. Sorry but their Totally useless.   

 

I think the elephant in the room that no one mentions is that electric cars are a solution for curbing localised pollution in large cities, but are not really meant for everyone so that they can feel good about saving the planet. Even sales of Priuses has dropped off dramatically.

Edited October 4, 2019 by VocalNeal

[alan grice]

 
I think the elephant in the room that no one mentions is that electric cars are a solution for curbing localised pollution in large cities, but are not really meant for everyone so that they can feel good about saving the planet. Even sales of Priuses has dropped off dramatically.

Ah , at last, common sense.⚖️


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[Lancashirelad]

Some of you might find this youtube channel interesting. fullychargedshow

Electric cars are coming thick and fast now, ranges are being extended all the time and will be even more so when graphite batteries are in.

[fredob43]

3 hours ago, Lancashirelad said:

Some of you might find this youtube channel interesting. fullychargedshow

Electric cars are coming thick and fast now, ranges are being extended all the time and will be even more so when graphite batteries are in.

They would have to alter by thousands of % before I would even be interested.

 

They had a program on UK BBC1 the other day A consumer program called Rip off Brittan. This one was about people not getting the distance advertised on their electric cars. They hired one and tested it. Hot day so they had the A/C on but they got under 140 miles around 200km on one charge. That was with 1 person driving not loaded. Pore to say the least.

 

Now let me think. When I do my next long drive of 1000+KM that I'll be doing in a few weeks. I would only have to stop off and charge it 5/6 times, sounds great to me. Now where's the local charging points anyone know??? Then again I might just stop once for about 5 min: and put Diesel in it.

Edited October 4, 2019 by fredob43

[alan grice]

I can agree with that, this year we rented Lincoln Navigator V6, and topped up once day.2 years ago the Tesla novelty wore off caused by dictates of charging points, and often having to use Eco Mode to safety reach one.When they cost less and can do 900 KMs in all conditions , ill still stay with the Old N Trusted [emoji238]


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[DavisH]

23 hours ago, fredob43 said:

Well done you on having a home charger. But if you go on a run your not at home defeats the object somewhat.

 

I will be doing a 1000+km return run in a couple of weeks to see friends that are here on holiday.

I shall leave my house top up with fuel and continue on my 500km run. Shall pick up friends that night for dinner out. Next day I shall do some top up shopping. Then repeating picking up friends again.

 

Next day I shall leave picking up a chum from the Airport on the way back home stopping off for Brunch. Same place as brunch will top up with fuel yet again as I might not make it back home.

Total time for a top ups lets say 20 min: but more like 8.

 

Question how would any Electric car be able to do that trip. I wouldn't be able to get even half way there on the first bit. Let alone any other part of my trip.

 

The only thing Elc: car are good for at present in as a second car for shopping or going locally to work.

 

I was looking at a program on UK BBC1 the other day, Called rip off Britain they cover all sorts of consumer problems. This one was on Elec: cars not doing the millage that was specified in the book. So they took one out on a run for testing. Hot day so A/con was used, they managed to get 140 miles or around 200km, before it went T/its up. That was 1 up not a full load. Sorry but their Totally useless.   

As I said, electric cars are mainy for localised driving, not for long distance touring. I imagine that will change in the future though. I don't own one. I wonder how they would fair in the event of getting stuck in deep road flooding. 

[fredob43]

5 hours ago, DavisH said:

As I said, electric cars are mainy for localised driving, not for long distance touring. I imagine that will change in the future though. I don't own one. I wonder how they would fair in the event of getting stuck in deep road flooding. 

That's a thing that has never entered my mind Deep Water that is.

That's why I have always brought a tank of a lump with 4x4. I can remember the floods in BKK a few years ago when even having the above, it wasn't easy at times to get through.  

Edited October 5, 2019 by fredob43

[madhav]

I see so many people saying unless an electric car comes out with 1000km range, I won’t buy it. Who the hell drives 1000km without taking a break? Who even drives 500km without a break? Especially with women in the car who need to pee all the time. Most people can’t (or won’t) drive more than 3hrs at a stretch.

 

So if we are talking real life here, on long all day road trips you need at least one decent long break of 30-40 min for lunch and a stretch. Plus another couple for 10-15 min snack, stretch and pee break.

 

With current battery charging tech this leaves more then sufficient time to charge the battery of a modern electric car.

 

Battery and charging tech will only get better and better. For example the recent 350kw fast chargers that are being rolled out in the USA, these can charge batteries seriously quick. A 100kw battery can charge from 10-80% in under 15 min. This would be enough for easily 400km of range. Or 10-80% recharge in a smaller 50kw battery in under 10 min. 

 

There are actually plenty of competitively priced electric cars available right now with 400km+ range and fast charging capabilities. The main issue is the Thai Government and their ridiculously outdated policies to do with EV’s. They offer zero incentives or subsidies, crazy high import taxes,  poor charging infrastructure, especially when compared to other countries like North America or Europe.

Edited October 5, 2019 by madhav

[Andrew Dwyer]

The Ayutthaya Motor Show ( okay, a few cars at the local mall ) is well represented by the EV movement !!
MG ZS, Hyundai Kona (?) and the Kia Soul ( maybe more I didn’t see ) pushing the environmental agenda to the masses.

[madhav]

13 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

The Ayutthaya Motor Show ( okay, a few cars at the local mall ) is well represented by the EV movement !!
MG ZS, Hyundai Kona (?) and the Kia Soul ( maybe more I didn’t see ) pushing the environmental agenda to the masses.

So many great EV options out there, many competitively prices, the Koreans (Kia/Hyundai) are doing great, but unless the Thai government decides to drop the taxes and possibly even offer subsidies (God forbid), they can’t compete with the locally made and subsidised petrol and diesel equivalents.

 

The MG ZS EV is the only half decent offering because it came in ‘tax free’ at 1.19 million baht. Still saying this, the price for the same car in the UK sells at 825,000 baht (after discounts and subsidies). 

 

So we still get ripped off, just less than normal.

Edited October 5, 2019 by madhav