Coffee shops/net cafes collecting WIFI data nothing to worry about say Thai police

[Thaifriends]

6 hours ago, cmsally said:

Held by whom ?

The cafe, the internet provider ???

 

Ah a search , seems to suggest this is in fact very recent and very much in international news!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/10/thai-cafes-forced-to-track-customers-wifi-use-sparking-free-speech-fears

 

For maketing by VoIP companies. Happens in the UK also. Its common. Later police can retreive the data for any crimnal investigation

[BigDaddy66]

They don't really collect data. They simply archive log files. It is standard and automatized (this host to this IP/domain , + datetime).

 

They don't watch what's inside the transaction : this would be totally illegal.

[moldresistant]

5 minutes ago, Vacuum said:

Why use cloudflare instead of the dns supplied by  the vpn?

In case of DNS leaks like this https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/dns-leaks-can-destroy-anonymity-using-vpn-stop/

[tandor]

6 hours ago, canopus1969 said:

nothing to worry about says Thai police

 

Translated, you do need to worry !!

..well they can put the pressure on the service providers and access it all from them..but they expected the little guy to be their agents and do all the sifting through for them..LO Silliness.

[cmsally]

So each person has to log in with ID? Otherwise how can you detect which log file goes back to which customer. Or are they going to rely on the device details linking the person to the IPs.

Might be possible for phones but more tricky for laptops etc.

[VBF]

5 hours ago, topt said:

Just curious Is this a separate piece of software you have put on her phone?

He said...."open google maps, click on timeline...." As long as you know someone's Google password it's simple. Check your own and see what I mean.

EDIT: But also read posts 27 to 29 which mention  that you CAN turn timeline off

Edited October 10, 2019 by VBF

[Robert Tyrrell]

VPN SERVICE !! PROBLEM SOLVED !! :) 

[Time to grow]

7 hours ago, steven100 said:

If it has assisted in catching criminals then I'm all for it.

He was just being straight about the issue and answering the question as needed. 

what's the problem ….  

The problem is, it's a lie

[Odisan]

"Such measures helped in the capture of serious criminals, he added. "

But it took 12 years to start. How then?

[HHTel]

It seems they have got the guide book from China "How to run an authoritarian state" and they're following it page by page! 

[ttrd]

RE - Coffee shops/net cafes collecting WIFI data

 

* Good, it would have been a an issue if they collected personal data and not only data about their WIFI ...

[JimmyJ]

https://www.privacytools.io/

 

https://www.eff.org/pages/tools

 

 

[Almer]

All you lot who refuse or cant be bothered to do a TM30 you might want to reconsider

[peixotorms]

collecting data for an internet provider or wifi spot is trivial.

Most enterprise or business routers have options to log all your http traffic.

It's like a vpn on the router, logging all requests.

 

In china you can use a vpn, but after a while that too gets blocked.

That's because although they cannot see inside, they can see what type of traffic (encrypted) you using.

Therefore, if they cannot see, then better block it completely because you must be up to no good if you are trying to access youtube or google maps.

 

so much for the EU privacy laws and gdpr stuff.

Edited October 10, 2019 by peixotorms

[Pluto56]

After reading this I feel like I just landed in China. Without a Visa. Thank you mister policeman I feel so much safer

[Pablosbmb]

6 hours ago, Vacuum said:

Talking about using a lap top.

Oh, you can have one of mine then????

 

 

[inactiveposter]

A VPN is not a guarantee. Some provide data to third parties. Here’s a link to a discussion of the +/- of VPN’s - https://medium.com/tebs-lab/do-vpns-actually-protect-your-privacy-5f98a9cec90a

[topt]

1 hour ago, VBF said:

He said...."open google maps, click on timeline...." As long as you know someone's Google password it's simple. Check your own and see what I mean.

EDIT: But also read posts 27 to 29 which mention  that you CAN turn timeline off

It has been answered several times already but if you read my reply (#25) to his reply post I don't have Google on my phone.

[Traubert]

7 hours ago, Vacuum said:

Talking about using a lap top.

Put it in a femidom.

[Funkymover]

all that , just so they can get to see what good porn sites we are using, wow

[topt]

1 hour ago, moldresistant said:

In case of DNS leaks like this https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/dns-leaks-can-destroy-anonymity-using-vpn-stop/

Thanks for the link.

You may want to have a read of this to see what this guy says about Cloudflare -

https://thatoneprivacysite.net/choosing-the-best-vpn-for-you/

 

The VPN comparison tables are a bit of an eye opener.

[VBF]

35 minutes ago, topt said:

It has been answered several times already but if you read my reply (#25) to his reply post I don't have Google on my phone.

Bit confusing....

I was answering how you can track people who do have Google (the "standard" if you use an Android phone) and   @BritManToo  was discussing how a girlfriend was being tracked. Yes I agree if you've rooted the phone and don't have Android as an OS it changes the game, but that would be a minority of people, don't you think?

 

Edit: you thanked me whilst i was updating my comment - thank you too! ????????

Edited October 10, 2019 by VBF

[DefaultName]

Apologies if this has been covered already, I haven't read the entire thread.

 

 

 

Remember when all bars had to have surveillance cameras?  Well, you still see the odd one, but that pretty much died a death - and I never heard of anyone actually having any problems because of them.

 

Of course, if you're really worried, don't use WiFi.  Simples.

[Matzzon]

8 hours ago, Wiggy said:

Then there's no need to collect the data.

Don´t worry, it´s just for statistic purposes. ????

[moldresistant]

37 minutes ago, topt said:

Thanks for the link.

You may want to have a read of this to see what this guy says about Cloudflare -

https://thatoneprivacysite.net/choosing-the-best-vpn-for-you/

 

The VPN comparison tables are a bit of an eye opener.

Not related to the DNS but he's talking about VPN services that use CloudFlare DDoS protection, because they give out free SSLs for websites that hook into their service. They do have access to a lot of data for sure that way though most big name VPN providers don't do that anyways.

 

Now DNS is different. The reason I use CloudFlare 1.1.1.1 DNS is to fragment the data - CloudFlare only gets your DNS data, wherethe local ISP here normally has customer's DNS, content of non-HTTPS traffic (Cloudflare gets a non-zero percentage of this anyway), billing information, real identity etc.

 

Normally the ISPs can tie your DNS records to a real identity, where CloudFlare can only make inferences from the data and the source IP location. It gives two companies an incomplete picture, rather than one knowing EVERYTHING. CloudFlare promise to not do so is also a non-zero consideration - it's clearly unenforceable/you would never know, but the mere promise is probably better than many ISPs.

 

More info https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/04/how-to-keep-your-isps-nose-out-of-your-browser-history-with-encrypted-dns/

 

Edited October 10, 2019 by moldresistant

[amdy2206]

If there is nothing to worry about why do they need to do it?? China and Big Brother influence getting everywhere. How can once every 90 days seriously catch any criminals? 

[moldresistant]

If you use Firefox it's easy to fragment your data with DNS over HTTPS. Just click Preferences > Network Settings and scroll down to the bottom.

 

You can use another DNS provider if you're not comfortable with CloudFlare or even make your own recursive DNS server using a cheap Raspberry Pi running Unbound.

 

[wisperone]

I'm sure big brother to the north is helping them out in the collection process.

[Captain 776]

[IAMHERE]

Next step is to have the cell towers track your phone at all times, just for the data. Not to worry.