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8 hours ago, Tug said:

He is a troll no more no less always trying to get a reaction,yes trumps team is attempting another obstruction delay tactic hopefully it’s flushed down soon and access allowed 

 when Barr was using the Redacted version of it,  my first comment was,  why not show the UNREDACTED version, since he claimed no collusion and the same Unredacted version of the phone call with Ukraine should be released as well

11 hours ago, stevenl said:

You do realise Russian meddling has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. See statements from democrats, republicans, cia, FBI, nsa, all under trump appointed leadership.

 

So I and I'm sure others as well cringe whenever I see a statement like yours, totally based on fake news and fake beliefs.

Schiff had absolute proof. Where is it? Are you also made of wood?

5 hours ago, NoBrainer said:

 

The Russians, The Americans and at least a dozen other countries have been meddling in other countries elections for more than 50 years. The US is generally known to be the worst offender, so bad, that if they did not get the desired results they would even support a coup, or in a few cases, an invasion to force regime change.

 

This has been the status quo, ever since newspapers were invented. It has just intensified, due to the spread of lightning fast media & the internet.

 

The genie is out of the bottle, and nobody will be able to put it back in, so get used to it.

 

But anyone of sound mind should clearly see that the ongoing attempts to remove President Trump from office is a Coup, and can not be construed as anything else. Where is the Crime? They are just fishing, to try to create a Crime, which is not due process for anyone.

 

And, as for asking for help from a series of foreign countries, to aid in the investigation of corrupt politicians, no matter who they are, the President is in his right, and would be negligent if he did not do so. If there was no corruption, or appearance of corruption, then there would be no need to investigate, but it is obvious from what is already known, that there is a great need to investigate further. 

 

If the targets of the relevant investigation has not done anything wrong, as they keep stating, then they should not fear any investigation, in order to help clear their name.

 

When there is a true reason to investigate someone (which is not the case for Biden), there is a legal way to do it, i.e. the DOJ can open an investigation. There is even a cooperation treaty with Ukraine allowing to legally and officially request information.

So please tell us: why did Trump used a crooked way instead of the legal way?

12 minutes ago, hugocnx said:

Schiff had absolute proof. Where is it? Are you also made of wood?

The investigation is ongoing. When the police investigates a crime do you see them publishing the evidence or do they wait for the trial??

You base Trumps supporters seem to have an extremely hard time grasping this fact...

 

 

40 minutes ago, hugocnx said:

Schiff had absolute proof. Where is it? Are you also made of wood?

Absolute proof of what? Russian meddling, as I was responding to, a better source than Schiff seem to be republican senators, cia, FBI, nsa.

what the hell are you guys arguing about?

 

Mueller said there was Russian interference.

He also said he could not find any criminal conspiracy links between any American 

and the activities of the Russians.

 

Boom!

 

 

17 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

what the hell are you guys arguing about?

 

Mueller said there was Russian interference.

He also said he could not find any criminal conspiracy links between any American 

and the activities of the Russians.

 

Boom!

 

 

He also said the investigaton did not absolve Trump of obstruction of justice. In fact, as the report clearly indicated, Mueller thought impeachment was the route to go since Justice Dept rules prohibit prosecution of a sitting President.

13 hours ago, webfact said:

The department is trying to block Democrats from accessing the full Mueller report on the grounds that doing so would require the disclosure of secret grand jury materials and potentially harm ongoing investigations.

Easily countered by holding closed door sessions of the judiciary oversight committee...  in the scif... which is purpose built for sensitive cases such that ongoing investigations, and the like, are not compromised.

 

oh wait... the republicans want everything done in public, thereby potentially harming everything. Smart move.

11 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

quote "Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election"

 

 I cringe whenever I see this. It is just so beyond ridiculous that the losers of 2016 blame their defeat on Russians and collusion with Russians. That the wild conspiracy was based on actions by never-Trumpers Page, Strzok, Comey, Clapper, Obama et al increases the bizarro factor several fold. And to think this was headline news on CNN and MSNBC for nearly 3 years before collapsing into a pile of you-know-what. I suppose this being brought up again is just another nail in the dems coffin heading into the 2020 election.

If you find this cringe worthy son, your in a world of pain coming soon. The solution to your delusion maybe found in a MAGA hat mowing your lawn or things like a cool suppository after i’m finished with you.

The defeat WAS compromised by the Ruskies (proven by Mueller) & the masses overwhelmingly, by 3 million,.. voted Democrat. If it wasn’t for the electoral college skewing the popular vote, then we wouldn’t be providing you with an oral ointment for your right wing rash now would we ?

In regards to the Mueller report You state, “collapsing in a pile of you-know-what”.. You do realize nearly a dozen pages were redacted ?..Some pages fully blacked out ?..Guess your other legal skills of brilliance can see through that black stuff. You legend..

There are 3 (THREE) Co-equal branches of government. Maybe you could remind your Orangutan guru-in-chief of the fact that this is within the constitution of the US to stop autocrates & narcissistic demagogues going rougue, luckily.

Like drump says, “Anyone who pleads the fifth, must have something to hide”. Not only does he hide his own criminal conduct with his paranoid  ‘non disclosure’ agreements he forces everyone to sign, he hides, blocks, high court appeals until he has to deflect or accuse of never drumpism when he ultimately loses. (The stable financial genius never did show his tax returns) more hiding of his Russian interests. 

The disinfecting rays of the sunlight impeachment will finally melt the dotart-in-chief to the cowardly corrupt, morally impaired, narcissistic skumbag he truelly is. So buckle up butter cup. You’ll have to find a new despot soon enough. Maybe one who said “ I’ll never have time to play golf, i’ll be too busy working for you” ! ????????????

 

 

 

 

52 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

what the hell are you guys arguing about?

 

Mueller said there was Russian interference.

He also said he could not find any criminal conspiracy links between any American 

and the activities of the Russians.

 

Boom!

 

 

We none of us know what Mueller found, his report has been heavily redacted.

 

Hence the need to see the unredacted report.

 

I trust you can understand that?!

6 hours ago, NoBrainer said:

 

The Russians, The Americans and at least a dozen other countries have been meddling in other countries elections for more than 50 years. The US is generally known to be the worst offender, so bad, that if they did not get the desired results they would even support a coup, or in a few cases, an invasion to force regime change.

 

This has been the status quo, ever since newspapers were invented. It has just intensified, due to the spread of lightning fast media & the internet.

 

The genie is out of the bottle, and nobody will be able to put it back in, so get used to it.

 

But anyone of sound mind should clearly see that the ongoing attempts to remove President Trump from office is a Coup, and can not be construed as anything else. Where is the Crime? They are just fishing, to try to create a Crime, which is not due process for anyone.

 

And, as for asking for help from a series of foreign countries, to aid in the investigation of corrupt politicians, no matter who they are, the President is in his right, and would be negligent if he did not do so. If there was no corruption, or appearance of corruption, then there would be no need to investigate, but it is obvious from what is already known, that there is a great need to investigate further. 

 

If the targets of the relevant investigation has not done anything wrong, as they keep stating, then they should not fear any investigation, in order to help clear their name.

 

 

 

 Fact,No pressure  No blackmail,reiterated twice by the Ukraine Prez .But the uncivil servant dems and their propaganda machine would have you  think he was being intimidated and Mr. Trump should earn a impeachment inquiry. The optics and the transcript isn't made up or someone's unhappy opinion of what should be proper discussions with leaders of countries!

 

6 hours ago, NoBrainer said:

If the targets of the relevant investigation has not done anything wrong, as they keep stating, then they should not fear any investigation, in order to help clear their name.

Is the target refusing to cooperate in any way? 

 

4 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Where is the Crime? They are just fishing, to try to create a Crime, which is not due process for anyone.

Fishing how?

 

a credible allegation has been made and it requires a comprehensive investigation by those entrusted with oversight, to prove or debunk. 

 

And, if the target of that investigation has done nothing wrong, then....

6 hours ago, NoBrainer said:

.... as they keep stating, then they should not fear any investigation, in order to help clear their name.

 

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

 Fact,No pressure  No blackmail,reiterated twice by the Ukraine Prez .But the uncivil servant dems and their propaganda machine would have you  think he was being intimidated. The optics and the transcript isn't made up or someone's unhappy opinion of what should be proper discussions with leaders of countries!

 

We have yet to see a ‘transcript’.

 

We’ve so far only seen a ‘summary’ and we’ve just learned that the ‘summary’ was ‘sanitized’ before release.

 

I’ll get back to you on your ‘Facts’ when we’ve seen the full, unredacted transcript.

7 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Post Mueller's shambolic, Alzheimer-grade performance at the hearing, it was revealed that there were bunch

of highly biased, never trumpers and ex-clinton lawyers behind him who created the report, merely using M as a front to create the impression of gravitas. He left the stage in disgrace that day.

I’d have to agree it wasn’t his ‘finest hour’.. but some people aren’t cut out as show men or for reality TV rating vanity tours.

but Robert Swan Mueller III was a graduate of Princeton & New York University, received a bronze star & purple heart in Vietnam for heroism, then went to the University of Virginia school of Law, is a registered ‘Republican’ in Washington D.C, was appointed by both Bush senior & Bush Jr presidents..a United States assistant attorney, a United States attorney, assistant attorney general & FBI Director for like 12 years.. C,mon, the guy is as bipartisan & patriotic as you can find..The man was a hunter & killer of the enemy of the US. Now he hunts down facts & only facts & will always continue to do so.

tRump on the other hand is a 5 time bone-spurs military deferment specialist..Impressive CV !

 

32 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We have yet to see a ‘transcript’.

 

We’ve so far only seen a ‘summary’ and we’ve just learned that the ‘summary’ was ‘sanitized’ before release.

 

I’ll get back to you on your ‘Facts’ when we’ve seen the full, unredacted transcript.

The no pressure no blackmail statement to the press by Prez Z makes the transcript along with dems and  their propaganda machine drum beating quid quo  a moot point !

 

41 minutes ago, riclag said:

The no pressure no blackmail statement to the press by Prez Z makes the transcript along with dems and  their propaganda machine drum beating quid quo  a moot point !

 

Quite. Because Mr. Zelensky know, much like the world at large, that Donald Trump is a patient and forgiving man. One who accepts contradiction patiently and never reacts with anger when his words or deeds are criticized.  There are many things that Mr. Zelensky need not fear, and one of them is being drawn into American politics.  How could his involvement there be anything but a triumph! There is simply no way that were Mr. Zelensky to cast an aspersion upon Donald Trump's conduct, the President would engage in any vindictive actions at all against either Zelensky or Ukraine or both. Because that's just not the kind of person he is. But don't take my word for it. Ask Vladimir Putin that rambunctious and hail-fellow-well-met neighbor to the Ukrainians. He will be sure to remind the Ukrainians of Trump's mild and forgiving nature should they misstep.  Donald Trump may never acquire that Nobel Prize, but surely someday he will acquire sainthood. God bless that noble gentleman!

Inflammatory troll post removed.  

20 hours ago, stevenl said:

Sorry, no.  Disinformation is coming from the Trump side.aybe some from the liberals, but there people care about it, the Trump camp doesn't care about truth anymore.

Or does the Trump  camp  actually  care very much about truth? Which could explain the  determination in hiding It ?

7 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Quite. Because Mr. Zelensky know, much like the world at large, that Donald Trump is a patient and forgiving man. One who accepts contradiction patiently and never reacts with anger when his words or deeds are criticized.  There are many things that Mr. Zelensky need not fear, and one of them is being drawn into American politics.  How could his involvement there be anything but a triumph! There is simply no way that were Mr. Zelensky to cast an aspersion upon Donald Trump's conduct, the President would engage in any vindictive actions at all against either Zelensky or Ukraine or both. Because that's just not the kind of person he is. But don't take my word for it. Ask Vladimir Putin that rambunctious and hail-fellow-well-met neighbor to the Ukrainians. He will be sure to remind the Ukrainians of Trump's mild and forgiving nature should they misstep.  Donald Trump may never acquire that Nobel Prize, but surely someday he will acquire sainthood. God bless that noble gentleman!

Touché lol well met!!   Lol

8 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Quite. Because Mr. Zelensky know, much like the world at large, that Donald Trump is a patient and forgiving man. One who accepts contradiction patiently and never reacts with anger when his words or deeds are criticized.  There are many things that Mr. Zelensky need not fear, and one of them is being drawn into American politics.  How could his involvement there be anything but a triumph! There is simply no way that were Mr. Zelensky to cast an aspersion upon Donald Trump's conduct, the President would engage in any vindictive actions at all against either Zelensky or Ukraine or both. Because that's just not the kind of person he is. But don't take my word for it. Ask Vladimir Putin that rambunctious and hail-fellow-well-met neighbor to the Ukrainians. He will be sure to remind the Ukrainians of Trump's mild and forgiving nature should they misstep.  Donald Trump may never acquire that Nobel Prize, but surely someday he will acquire sainthood. God bless that noble gentleman!

In addition to that I think the main reason is home grown. No way he could admit he gave in to blackmail, that would politically ruin him and be a gigantic loss of face.

2 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Or does the Trump  camp  actually  care very much about truth? Which could explain the  determination in hiding It ?

Has truth has ever been Trump's strong suit? Whoppers include Central Park Five, "birther" claims, etc

16 minutes ago, Misty said:

Has truth has ever been Trump's strong suit? Whoppers include Central Park Five, "birther" claims, etc

I was intending the meaning of the truth about rather than the truth from.

10 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

I was intending the meaning of the truth about rather than the truth from.

Agreed, I think your post was a nice twist.

StevenL

 

First off the Russians meddling has never been shown to favor one candidate over another.  Many pundits have indicated that it was intended to sow discord, which it certainly has done.  The Democrats have no problem with illegals actually voting but somehow decry Russians making a few postings on social media.  

Now you want meddling. Try Obama who sent taxpayer money to defeat Netanyahu.  The Russians did nothing so egregious 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

It has been an ongoing practice for information deemed classified be redacted to protect it.  This has included Grand Jury testimony to protect the process and the jurors.  Now the Democrats want to destroy this potentially releasing classified information and revealing the identities of the jurors. 

On 10/30/2019 at 8:15 AM, TopDeadSenter said:

quote "Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election"

 

 I cringe whenever I see this. It is just so beyond ridiculous that the losers of 2016 blame their defeat on Russians and collusion with Russians. That the wild conspiracy was based on actions by never-Trumpers Page, Strzok, Comey, Clapper, Obama et al increases the bizarro factor several fold. And to think this was headline news on CNN and MSNBC for nearly 3 years before collapsing into a pile of you-know-what. I suppose this being brought up again is just another nail in the dems coffin heading into the 2020 election.

I never thought I would see a phenomenon of complete predictability. I do see it with every post you make.

1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

StevenL

 

First off the Russians meddling has never been shown to favor one candidate over another.  Many pundits have indicated that it was intended to sow discord, which it certainly has done.  The Democrats have no problem with illegals actually voting but somehow decry Russians making a few postings on social media.  

Now you want meddling. Try Obama who sent taxpayer money to defeat Netanyahu.  The Russians did nothing so egregious 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

Two fake news and a half truth in one post. Not bad.