Car runs over its driver at gas station in Chonburi

[worgeordie]

Was the trucks name Christine ,Thai drivers, they

are now running over themselves.

regards Worgeordie

[Borzandy]

15 hours ago, Myran said:

The car was obviously not in D when he got out, or it would have started moving immediately when he got out.

No !

[overherebc]

30 minutes ago, Borzandy said:

No !

Agree. Lots of electronic gizmos that if they start to go wrong they can, I suppose, show P on the dash and depending on the fault may internally, on the gizmo be half way and then switches back to D and off the car goes. Throw in worn mechanical likages on the gear selector etc and strange things can happen.

[Assurancetourix]

15 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Huh? It's a bloody automatic. There's only 2 gears, Drive and Reverse!

 

Sheeesh....

 

Sometimes it is better not to write anything rather than a stupidity.

My Isuzu pickup has an automatic gearbox but there are 5 in the box;
  I can also pass them manually if I need them, especially in long descents in the mountains;
if you follow me you will rarely see my stop lights come on , because I use my gear box rather than my brakes.

[overherebc]

34 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:

 

Sometimes it is better not to write anything rather than a stupidity.

My Isuzu pickup has an automatic gearbox but there are 5 in the box;
  I can also pass them manually if I need them, especially in long descents in the mountains;
if you follow me you will rarely see my stop lights come on , because I use my gear box rather than my brakes.

Wrong to use the gears on an auto that way.

Brake fade is a very small factor nowadays because of ventilated discs and new pad materials. Old style shoe and drum started the use of gears to slow down. If short downhill use brakes if a long downhill use a combination. Not showing brake lights when slowing down is an excellent way to ger rear ended.

[toofarnorth]

16 hours ago, Reigntax said:

Never used to happen when his buffalo was left in P

I wonder if the driver ,in his buffalo riding days , got underneath when the brute refused to move.

[Assurancetourix]

8 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Brake fade is a very small factor nowadays because of ventilated discs and new pad materials.

You'll teach me my job ..
I was an international driver for 40 years and I drove in almost every country in Europe from Scotland  to Ukraine, from Sweden to Portugal , making at least 6 million km; I have always brought a semi trailor  in good condition to my different bosses ..

You will certainly explain to me why the manufacturers continue to mount automatic boxes with different speeds that can be passed manually.
What can serve "L", "1", "2", "3"?
It may be to look pretty? 

We can see that you do not ride a lot or even ride in the mountains;
when I go down from Doi Inthanon or even shorter runs in the provinces of Loei, Pitsanulok, Nan and all those in northern Thailand, it literally stinks the brakes too much used by Thai drivers;
and if it rains, then the, it's the last straw , I do not count the vehicles that went to the pit on one side or the other of the road ..
while me, I pass, quietly,  next to all these "fangio" looking at their coaches sketched in the land ..
Some of them having overtaken me during the descent, certainly estimating that I was not driving fast enough for them ..
result of the races, vehicle breaks and heavy loss of face.

[KeeTua]

2 hours ago, Misterwhisper said:

18 hours ago, rooster59 said:

They warned people without technical knowledge not to trust their cars.

On a different note, they also should warn cars not to trust their drivers.

In fairness The word 'careless' was left out in the translation.

Reads more like this:
This is an example that one should not be careless with trust of a car.

[KeeTua]

16 hours ago, tifino said:

can never understand why thais never OFF the engine whilst refuelling?

If it's a diesel engine with turbo charger like Vigo's use it is recommended to let the engine idle for up to 2 minutes, depending on how fast you've been driving and how hot the weather is, before shutting the engine off. Because of the very high temperatures in the turbo charger shutting the engine off to quickly causes the oil to burn.

 

Of course leaving the aircon on is another reason.

[overherebc]

23 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:

You'll teach me my job ..
I was an international driver for 40 years and I drove in almost every country in Europe from Scotland  to Ukraine, from Sweden to Portugal , making at least 6 million km; I have always brought a semi trailor  in good condition to my different bosses ..

You will certainly explain to me why the manufacturers continue to mount automatic boxes with different speeds that can be passed manually.
What can serve "L", "1", "2", "3"?
It may be to look pretty? 

We can see that you do not ride a lot or even ride in the mountains;
when I go down from Doi Inthanon or even shorter runs in the provinces of Loei, Pitsanulok, Nan and all those in northern Thailand, it literally stinks the brakes too much used by Thai drivers;
and if it rains, then the, it's the last straw , I do not count the vehicles that went to the pit on one side or the other of the road ..
while me, I pass, quietly,  next to all these "fangio" looking at their coaches sketched in the land ..
Some of them having overtaken me during the descent, certainly estimating that I was not driving fast enough for them ..
result of the races, vehicle breaks and heavy loss of face.

Use the brakes to slow the vehicle then select the gear to suit that speed.

If everyone used the gearbox to slow down all the time then you may as well disregard fitting a foot brake and just use the handbrake when you're slow enough.

 

[overherebc]

40 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:

You'll teach me my job ..
I was an international driver for 40 years and I drove in almost every country in Europe from Scotland  to Ukraine, from Sweden to Portugal , making at least 6 million km; I have always brought a semi trailor  in good condition to my different bosses ..

You will certainly explain to me why the manufacturers continue to mount automatic boxes with different speeds that can be passed manually.
What can serve "L", "1", "2", "3"?
It may be to look pretty? 

We can see that you do not ride a lot or even ride in the mountains;
when I go down from Doi Inthanon or even shorter runs in the provinces of Loei, Pitsanulok, Nan and all those in northern Thailand, it literally stinks the brakes too much used by Thai drivers;
and if it rains, then the, it's the last straw , I do not count the vehicles that went to the pit on one side or the other of the road ..
while me, I pass, quietly,  next to all these "fangio" looking at their coaches sketched in the land ..
Some of them having overtaken me during the descent, certainly estimating that I was not driving fast enough for them ..
result of the races, vehicle breaks and heavy loss of face.

So not too many counties then, just Europe.

Why do manufacturers fit 6 speed autos with a manual select option? Because it appeals to boy racer mentallity as a selling point. Plus it adds more to servicing costs etc etc 

Totally superfluous for a family car or rear wheel drive only pick up.

I have driven, a lot, in the past a large vehicle that had two gear boxes fitted as standard. One box standard 4 forward 1 reverse and a transfer 3 speed for low medium and high ratio when needed cross country. Oh nearly forgot, a third gearbox for 4 wheel or 6 wheel drive.

[tifino]

1 hour ago, Assurancetourix said:

17 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Huh? It's a bloody automatic. There's only 2 gears, Drive and Reverse!

 

Sheeesh....

 

Sometimes it is better not to write anything rather than a stupidity.

My Isuzu pickup has an automatic gearbox but there are 5 in the box;
  I can also pass them manually if I need them, especially in long descents in the mountains;
if you follow me you will rarely see my stop lights come on , because I use my gear box rather than my brakes.

Insert an assumed 'BigBangTheory 'Sarcasm' meme here ????  

 

but anyways, a normal falang would knowingly utilise an Auto box to it's designed potential. rather than the targetted group; where it is Stop, Go, Go faster

 

The only qualification, along the lines of there is always a time when there becomes too much of a good thing:  to fully manually operate an Auto for 'every' single occasion; 

 - be always aware that in the long run, it is cheaper to replace brake pads, than it is to repair an AutoTrans...  

 

... and going back to the engine running at the pumps... one assumes that this activity referred to in-topic, is that undertaken at the typical roadside public Service Station.

[jabis]

31 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Use the brakes to slow the vehicle then select the gear to suit that speed.

If everyone used the gearbox to slow down all the time then you may as well disregard fitting a foot brake and just use the handbrake when you're slow enough.

 

"Use low gear" - warnings in steep hills are just a fad then, aye? ????

If you have driven any motors with a higher mass, than nowadays kinder-eggs', you'd prolly know why that is.
Should we dig out "physics for dummies" to explain why a lower gear reduces the speed, as the gearbox synchronizes it's revolutions from crank to driveshaft via a plethora of different sized gears (the aptly named gearbox)? ???? Even here in LoS you see on the few mountains and longer declines "Use low gear"-suggestions, which many people have no idea "why" that is, as you can always ride your brake-pedal, up until your brakes are overheated and the legendary "brake failure" happens... 

[Gandtee]

Most probably left it in drive and put his hand brake on. The engine overpowered the brake, and Bob's your uncle.????

[overherebc]

57 minutes ago, jabis said:

"Use low gear" - warnings in steep hills are just a fad then, aye? ????

If you have driven any motors with a higher mass, than nowadays kinder-eggs', you'd prolly know why that is.
Should we dig out "physics for dummies" to explain why a lower gear reduces the speed, as the gearbox synchronizes it's revolutions from crank to driveshaft via a plethora of different sized gears (the aptly named gearbox)? ???? Even here in LoS you see on the few mountains and longer declines "Use low gear"-suggestions, which many people have no idea "why" that is, as you can always ride your brake-pedal, up until your brakes are overheated and the legendary "brake failure" happens... 

OK i'll type this slowly.

Your vehicle should be at the correct speed and gear at all times. Before you get to the downhill start you should have already selected the correct lower gear by slowing the vehicle using the brakes, that is their primary function, to slow the vehicle, not a back up for the gearbox. Auto gearboxes are not designed to work as brakes. Using the footbrake properly spreads the braking load to all four wheels whereas pulling the gear lever on an auto on downhill to shift down two or three gears especially when wet is very likely to lock the rear wheels which with the average driver will cause them to stomp on the brake most likely which will probably lock the front wheels as well.

You are assuming I advocate using the brakes all the way down the hill, I'm not. I'm saying slow the vehicle using the brakes so the gear you select suits the road speed and engine revs. You can then use the gear you have selected to control your speed downhill.

If you need to go slower use the brakes to slow and go down another gear then you can leave the brakes alone for another little while and they will lose heat fast as they are nowadays designed to do.

Edit.

Google.

RAC and AA UK driving downhill. 

After reading their suggestions of using the correct gear and light use of the brakes to slow the vehicle to select another gear I feel that a few posters on here should put themselves forward as advisors to correct the obvious mis-information being spread by qualified auto engineers those organisations employ.

[rkidlad]

20 hours ago, steven100 said:

you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried ….  

In a country where you can say you borrowed 20+ million-baht watches from a friend who died and still not be sent to prison, you absolutely can make this stuff up. 

[jabis]

34 minutes ago, overherebc said:

OK i'll type this slowly.

Your vehicle should be at the correct speed and gear at all times. Before you get to the downhill start you should have already selected the correct lower gear by slowing the vehicle using the brakes, that is their primary function, to slow the vehicle, not a back up for the gearbox. Auto gearboxes are not designed to work as brakes. Using the footbrake properly spreads the braking load to all four wheels whereas pulling the gear lever on an auto on downhill to shift down two or three gears especially when wet is very likely to lock the rear wheels which with the average driver will cause them to stomp on the brake most likely which will probably lock the front wheels as well.

You are assuming I advocate using the brakes all the way down the hill, I'm not. I'm saying slow the vehicle using the brakes so the gear you select suits the road speed and engine revs. You can then use the gear you have selected to control your speed downhill.

If you need to go slower use the brakes to slow and go down another gear then you can leave the brakes alone for another little while and they will lose heat fast as they are nowadays designed to do.

Edit.

Google.

RAC and AA UK driving downhill. 

After reading their suggestions of using the correct gear and light use of the brakes to slow the vehicle to select another gear I feel that a few posters on here should put themselves forward as advisors to correct the obvious mis-information being spread by qualified auto engineers those organisations employ.

Just answered the quote at hand, soi perhaps **read** more slowly than type ???? 

ps. <deleted> them engineers - us drivers do most the work

[overherebc]

5 minutes ago, jabis said:

Just answered the quote at hand, soi perhaps **read** more slowly than type ???? 

ps. <deleted> them engineers - us drivers do most the work

Yep, had guys like you work for me, but not for long. ????????

[jabis]

7 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Yep, had guys like you work for me, but not for long. ????+????

Wouldn't offer my services for a tool anyways - no harm done ^^ What makes you think you could afford it anyways - apparently not huge experience hauling sh*t anyways - oh well so far off topic maybe we quit the ad hominems, like more civilized <deleted>, aye? ????

Edit: veering closer to the topic: 
I once was driving a Citroen "light truck" whatever combi-hell it was (more like an oversized van, with a loading lift in the <deleted>) , which had an electrical failure in secondary fuse box, that kept then flicking the e-brake on randomly when it was cold and moist (barely sub-zero temp Celcius), thus locking the rear drums for a second or many - was a thrill to ride it to the garage ????

[overherebc]

25 minutes ago, jabis said:

Wouldn't offer my services for a tool anyways - no harm done ^^ What makes you think you could afford it anyways - apparently not huge experience hauling sh*t anyways - oh well so far off topic maybe we quit the ad hominems, like more civilized <deleted>, aye? ????

Good on ye'

One of these big enough? 

Leyland B80 straight 6, 8 litre Rolls Royce engine plus trailer same length but can't find a photo of the trailer.

????

[Reigntax]

3 hours ago, toofarnorth said:

I wonder if the driver ,in his buffalo riding days , got underneath when the brute refused to move.

I doubt he would get underneath and tighten the nuts or feel around with its ball joints. That's for sure

[Reigntax]

1 hour ago, Gandtee said:

Most probably left it in drive and put his hand brake on. The engine overpowered the brake, and Bob's your uncle.????

I think uncle Bob is currently denying any genetic connection

[Almer]

20 hours ago, Myran said:

The car was obviously not in D when he got out, or it would have started moving immediately when he got out.

 

21 hours ago, steven100 said:

you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried ….  

My non experienced guess, it was in D but with engine running for air con, got underneath and either pulled on a cable or more likely disturbed the connection that was causing the problems,  we've all done stupid things so lets just hope he and many others take note, !!!!!!!!!!!

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, Almer said:

 

My non experienced guess, it was in D but with engine running for air con, got underneath and either pulled on a cable or more likely disturbed the connection that was causing the problems,  we've all done stupid things so lets just hope he and many others take note, !!!!!!!!!!!

Noticed a linkage looking a bit loose and wiggled it.

[phantomfiddler]

How much for this car ? ????

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, Pilotman said:

actually autos normally have  4, 6 or 8 gears, plus reverse.  My auto car has 6, my last car, also auto, had 8.   

Actually automatics also have 5, 7, 9 or 10 gears.

[hotchilli]

On 11/2/2019 at 6:48 PM, Myran said:

There's no mention of what kind of gear problem. Having gear problems doesn't automatically mean that the car is slipping into other gears, and definitely not that it's jumping from Park to D.

 

On 11/2/2019 at 5:20 PM, rooster59 said:

Police found that the indicator on the speedometer dial showed that the car was in "Drive" even though the gear stick was in "P".

This was mentioned... 

[Almer]

21 hours ago, overherebc said:

Noticed a linkage looking a bit loose and wiggled it.

Yes i meant to say in my post, that he left the car in P not in D , same effect if there was a dodgy cable  or connection under there

[Yadon Toploy]

On 11/3/2019 at 11:05 AM, Assurancetourix said:

 

Sometimes it is better not to write anything rather than a stupidity.

My Isuzu pickup has an automatic gearbox but there are 5 in the box;
  I can also pass them manually if I need them, especially in long descents in the mountains;
if you follow me you will rarely see my stop lights come on , because I use my gear box rather than my brakes.

Why did you buy an automatic then?

 

Shifting manually in most cheap auto boxes in Thai made cars is a horrible experience.

[Yadon Toploy]

Regardless of the cause getting under the vehicle with the engine running was a dumb move.