Tourism: Indians "last hope" for Pattaya as Thai media reports massive high season decline

[Darkside Gray]

When was the last time a high season hotels were 100% sold, I remember it was a good few years ago.

[Tengtai]

Who's surprised ???

[frodo77]

Excellent comment Kellio, and so true.

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, Traubert said:

How is it more constructive and helpful to be a foreigner in their country dripping venom on them on a foreign language site every day? Criticising them for not being posh or highbrow enough? How does that advance the world? Anybody's world for that matter?

Quite lame. Nearly every time I see someone complaining, or observing a shortfall about the policies here, or the culture, some guy who has not taken the time to think things through, nor to devote any time, study, or focus on the issue at hand, says something like "Perhaps Thailand is not for you", or "maybe you should leave", or "it's not fair", or the top prize, "if you do not like it here, go back to your own country". And the new and most creative of all, I am now criticizing an incredibly ineffective administration for not being highbrow enough. Cute. In case you did not notice, I really like the Thai people. It is the government I do not like. But, the same can be said of my home country, the US. 

 

Why? Because I have some issues with the place, I am not entitled to complain, or voice my opinions? Half of the posts on this forum are complaints. What is wrong with that? Don't we need someplace to vent? Why the sensitivity? Why such thin skin? Though absolute contentment must be a beautiful thing to be blessed with, it is not something most of us enjoy. The fact that I complain does not mean I do not love Thailand, my lifestyle, and most of the Thai people. I have a good life here. But, I do have some issues with the place, as most do, and I do not like the government, and there are some things I would like to see improved. Do you not see any room for improvement? I should leave because I complain? 

 

Edited November 28, 2019 by spidermike007

[mstevens]

16 hours ago, Assurancetourix said:

You say that because you do not know the hidden charms of Issan ????;

The most beautiful girls of Issan are never going to work in Pattaya, they stay in Issan in such small villages that it is almost impossible to find them  

I have lived for many years in this kind of village; it's heaven on earth ...

 

And I once heard that they have a preference for the expats who live in Isaan villages - old, physically unappealing and broke.....

[michaellee]

On 11/27/2019 at 9:36 AM, soalbundy said:

The article says 10,000 per day

No way they spend more than the chinese. They are the chepaest and worst group to make money from. 

[Assurancetourix]

9 minutes ago, mstevens said:

 

And I once heard that they have a preference for the expats who live in Isaan villages - old, physically unappealing and broke.....

( in thai language it's 555 )

I do not know your age,  I'm 71, I take you when you want riding a MTBike the distance of your choice provided that it is at least 60 km and whatever the state of the road on which we will ride.
I said that my job  was international trucker, so nothing to do with a bicycle.

[rct99q]

I have not encountered many travellers from India while living in Nong Khai.

However we have been at the koh chang paradise resort many times, twice we have encountered Indian weddings.

Many many people. Perhaps half the resort was filled with family members i assume.

Initially not too impressed...my wife has a dislike for people from India, claims stinky. After a couple of days we were having a great time. Our daughter 5 at the time had the time of her life. Most of the children played well together ... Lots of fun.

Most of the adults were very polite and fun to be around. Many times they included us in lunch or dinner and many drinks...never asking for any money or for us to pay. They just stated it was their pleasure to have us join them.

 

This past july we were there again and with another wedding happening and much the same only this time our daughter got to be part of the activities on one of the days.

Only two real interactions we have had but both times were great. I believe my wife still facebooks with one of the families.

 

In all both times the families were certainly spending a TON of money both at the resort and shopping.

 

Like everybody there are good and bad travellers.

[Kaopad999]

18 hours ago, lensta said:

Even broke foreigners contribute to the economy and probably help the local mom and pop stores more that your high dollar tourists that would likely go to more expensive place to buy food and drink

Exactly. I know plenty of 'broke'  foreigners living in Thailand on ED and TV's spending well over 50k THB every month. That is a much greater contribution to the economy when compared to the average Indian Tourist that comes here for a 1 week holiday each year! 

[smudger1951]

On 11/27/2019 at 10:09 AM, Enoon said:

 

Scary for the individual Beach Road girl, finding herself alone and surrounded by a drooling, leering gang of them.

 

The most repulsive sight I have seen in Pattaya.

 

 

 

Delusion is thinking that the one coca cola and four straws brigade will help you out of a hole you dug for yourself.

[smudger1951]

2 hours ago, kellio said:

It's becoming more and more obvious everyday from an expat living in Pattaya on and off for almost 20 years, that the current governing Thailand regime is making it more and more difficult for foreigners (Who I'll refer to as farangs) to stay here for extended periods or to retire here.
New laws are being introduced constantly or are put forward almost daily and all appear to targeted the white skinned while other laws are being introduced just as quickly to make it easier for other Asians such as the Chinese and Indians to come and stay here.

I don't and have never had a racial bone in my body but the reasoning behind all this is unfathomable in that the Chinese for example, spend all their money on package deals before they leave China so upon their arrival in Thailand, travel around in Chinese owned tourist buses and stay in Chinese owned hotels and eat in Chinese owned restaurants.
They rarely spend any money here at all except maybe to buy a souvenir or 2 from Chinese owned stalls or souvenir shops.and never venture out unless in groups organized by the same Chinese owned travel agencies.
They wander around following the guy with the little flag on a stick with necks on swivels and never break that line regardless of traffic or red light traffic signals.
As a result, they are constantly causing traffic jams and holding up the life supporting vehicle traffic delivering food and other essentials to the rest of the populace.
I've actually seen them step in front of emergency vehicles like ambulances with red and blue light flashing and sirens on full volume accompanied by other such vehicles like fire brigades and police just in case they break the line.
On the other hand, they are now allowing Indians to come here with little or no security checks and there's now talk of them allowing and introducing laws that don't require the Indians to even have passports and are subsiding air fares so they can travel here return for as little as US$100.
I was told a few weeks ago that that the government is going to increase the allowable number of Indians permitted to 10 times the current number.
The Indians are as bad if not worse than the Chinese as they completely ignore local culture and laws. 
They will loiter about or wander around in groups of no less than 4 and more often 10 or 12 and are usually all males with rare exception. 
They hang around street corners or on footpaths blocking all other pedestrian traffic and will not move to let others pass regardless of how politely they are asked. 
If you're in a lift and wanting to get out while there are Indians wanting to get in, brace yourself for a tussle because they will not let you get out before they charge in.
They will also walk down busy streets and sois abreast of each other, sometimes 6 at a time regardless of traffic and the constant abuse from drivers who are obviously and mostly Thais going about their everyday business or jobs, so once again disrupting and annoying everyone who comes here except themselves.
They will also walk across busy streets "duck fashion" one behind the other also adding to the congestion.
They to have little money and it's not uncommon to see 6 or 8 of them sitting on bar stools with a single bottle of water or beverage between them and 6 straws.
This is annoying bar owners so much because farangs who do have the money are not going into these bars because all the seats are taken and many bar owners are now banning them from bars altogether.
The number of new Indian restaurants being opened in Pattaya is staggering buy many are not selling food.A friend recently shared his experience in visiting 4 Indian restaurants in close proximity to each other before they found one that actually sold food.
The staff in the others made lame excuses like "Sorry Sir. The chef has failed to arrive today" or, Sorry sir but we are writing a new menu and it's not completed yet"

So, now they are going to the beaches and taking all the free seats there while ogling the Thai girls and farang alike who are also getting really annoyed.
I'm not suggesting for one moment that all Indians who visit Pattaya will act in the above manner and nor am I suggesting that all Chinese will either but the vast majority who visit for a short stay, do as any expat living here will testify..  
Why on earth the government is condoning all this I have no idea and but all the above combined with the new restrictions being introduced and the strength of the Thai baht play a major role in why expats are leaving Pattaya and others are not taking their place and I'm sure the same applies elsewhere.
PS. To any moderator considering this to be a bit too racial, it is not written as such but is simply the truth and should be allowed so others can comment and add their opinions.
 

Yes, there are many new Indian restaurants in Pattaya klang. If they are not selling food, what are the selling ? ?

[Leaver]

11 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

Officialy they all work in restaurant or traditionnal massages

then the ''face'' is saved for the family at the village 

it's the most important (With the money influx)

beside this most of them come here by themselves

nobody ''send'' them in the sex trade market

but as you probably know already the majority are single moms

with a poor education, so they don't see a lot of ways to make some big and quick money 

even if most of them are not really succesfull nowadays

 

 

I agree most are single mother's, but it's well known that families get indebted to loan sharks, and then the family is approached by scouts, and basically sold into the sex trade. 

 

Many Thai mothers send their daughters to the sex trade, because they were hookers, and would like bigger monthly payments. 

 

My point being to the member criticizing Indian men's treatment of their women, Thai men's treatment of their women is not much better.  Apart from the massive sex trade here, there is also a lot of domestic violence. 

[kellio]

24 minutes ago, smudger1951 said:

Yes, there are many new Indian restaurants in Pattaya klang. If they are not selling food, what are the selling ? ?

Absolutely nothing. I walk past 3 almost every evening and I've never seen a single diner in any of them in over 6 months.
However, the idea of money laundering has raised it's serpent like head on a number of occasions and has indeed been discussed in the bar I frequent a few doors down.
Recently from what I've been told, two old and well established bars in soi 6 which had been owned by Englishmen for many years were purchased by Indians a few weeks ago.
I will be very surprised if they are not turned into yet more Indian restaurants.

[Baerboxer]

On 11/27/2019 at 9:25 AM, NCC1701A said:

i know what i am going to say is a stereotypical comment about Indian people, but I saw it with my own eyes. I could not believe how they were grinding the massage ladies on price in Pattaya. I stood there and watched for a while outside a large shop. The one lady was holding her ground but it was brutal. 

 

Indeed. I saw something similar at Safari Wold. We were queuing for the kid's pony rides. Two Indian families were getting rides for their children, 3 in total. The fathers wondered off while the Mums insisted on instructing the Thai staff how it should be done. They then complained the rides should be longer and asked to go around more. Then they said their husbands had the money. One went and brought them back. They then asked for a discount, because they said the rides were too short and they had 3 kids not 1. All this with raised voices, angry expressions, and waiving of arms - and no attempt to get their kids out and let other people progress. Arrogant and rude and trying to intimidate the three young Thai ladies operating the rides.

 

Eventually, as several people in the queue started telling them, they paid and went on their way. Zero embarrassment.

 

I liven in India for 2 years. Nothing unusual in this behavior for them.

[akda]

Not surprised to see this much Indo-China bashing. This forum should have been declared home of Indo-China bashing.

Typical western mentality. Pinpointing random incidents and generalizing them. So called developed nations with regressive mentality.

 

Hello Farang stop being judgemental, and stop putting your nose where not needed. Move on and get some life.

Its their money they will decide how to spent.

 

 

 

[DannyCarlton]

2 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

My point being to the member criticizing Indian men's treatment of their women, Thai men's treatment of their women is not much better.  Apart from the massive sex trade here, there is also a lot of domestic violence. 

So 2 wrongs make a right? Thai men do treat their women very badly but what they don't do is:

 

Four of them standing in a girls face haranguing her until she agrees to much less than the normal price.

 

Want to have sex in turns with her whilst the others watch.

 

Once in the room, force anal sex on her.

 

Refuse to pay the girl for some trumped up reason such as the service wasn't up to their expectations.

 

Yes, Thais do abuse their women but the abuse they recieve from Indian men is a whole other level.

[kingofthemountain]

56 minutes ago, akda said:

 

Its their money they will decide how to spent.

 

 

 

If only they could decide to spent their little money elsewhere

everybody should be very happy and grateful to them

[DannyCarlton]

1 hour ago, akda said:

Not surprised to see this much Indo-China bashing. This forum should have been declared home of Indo-China bashing.

India is not indochina. China is not Indo china. Indochina is SE Asia, including Thailand.

 

Have you posted in the wrong thread?

[atyclb]

21 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Blame falls squarely on the ChanOCha regime.  They took China’s bait, and now tourism and exports dying off.  China can’t save you, Thailand.  They will eat you alive.

 

and china is a "fair weather friend"   vietnam is cheaper, has better service and quality in general and has casinos in it's cambo border town, bavet, that pretty much looks and feels like china in casino area.

 

cambo has tons of stuff including plush casinos and chinese owned hotels

[cobra]

On 11/26/2019 at 5:25 PM, NCC1701A said:

i know what i am going to say is a stereotypical comment about Indian people, but I saw it with my own eyes. I could not believe how they were grinding the massage ladies on price in Pattaya. I stood there and watched for a while outside a large shop. The one lady was holding her ground but it was brutal. 

Yes indeed, and I saw it with my own eyes many times also.

 

Similar incident, Indian trying to get money back after eating entire meal at a McD's, claiming it didn't taste good.

 

He would not yield, thinking his strategy of holding up the line would somehow influence the staff. 

He obviously didn't know Thais.

 

[Sydebolle]

The weed-smoking idiots down at the Tourism Authority of Thailand were not consulted. The real truth is, that Indian tourists are like phoenix rising from the ashes as they, according to a previous article read on this forum, apparently spend a hefty B 5300, per day that is. 

Good luck with the Indians; Thais are not racists but they hate black skinned people and have respective proverbs in their language on how to deal with Indians and snakes. 

 

[akda]

1 hour ago, kingofthemountain said:

If only they could decide to spent their little money elsewhere

everybody should be very happy and grateful to them

They are spending all over the world. Go to any country you will see them.

[Rimmer]

A troll post has been removed

[LammyTS1]

Figures from Jan-Jun 2019 stated Chinese tourism dropped 2.5% & Indian tourism went up 9%. The average spend per trip to be:-

indians 39,000 baht

Chinese 47,000 baht

 

So judging these latest spend per day figs, Indians are staying up to 4 days & Chinese over 9 days in Thailand. 

I thought the Chinese were the short trip holidaymakers??

[EJBlythe]

Never seen so much racism from so many grumpy ex mongers, but then again, I dont waste my life reading these worthless comments as a rule. I will be back in Pattaya this Xmas as usual taking a break from my job in China.

Edited November 28, 2019 by EJBlythe

[fforest1]

5 hours ago, akda said:

 

 

Hello Farang stop being judgemental, and stop putting your nose where not needed. Move on and get some life.

Its their money they will decide how to spent.

 

 

 

Even if if the Indians have to barder for 1 hour to save 5 baht...lol

[Timwin]

Arresting and parading tourists like common criminals for few day overstays really helps too! 

[fforest1]

16 minutes ago, EJBlythe said:

Never seen so much racism from so many grumpy ex mongers, but then again, I dont waste my life reading these worthless comments as a rule. I will be back in Pattaya this Xmas as usual taking a break from my job in China.

Hey EJBlythe some of us expats dont have a life and moaning is the highlight of our day so try and have some consideration...

[DannyCarlton]

1 hour ago, EJBlythe said:

Never seen so much racism from so many grumpy ex mongers, but then again, I dont waste my life reading these worthless comments as a rule. I will be back in Pattaya this Xmas as usual taking a break from my job in China.

Less of the "ex" please.

[StevieAus]

10 hours ago, kellio said:

It's becoming more and more obvious everyday from an expat living in Pattaya on and off for almost 20 years, that the current governing Thailand regime is making it more and more difficult for foreigners (Who I'll refer to as farangs) to stay here for extended periods or to retire here.
New laws are being introduced constantly or are put forward almost daily and all appear to targeted the white skinned while other laws are being introduced just as quickly to make it easier for other Asians such as the Chinese and Indians to come and stay here.

I don't and have never had a racial bone in my body but the reasoning behind all this is unfathomable in that the Chinese for example, spend all their money on package deals before they leave China so upon their arrival in Thailand, travel around in Chinese owned tourist buses and stay in Chinese owned hotels and eat in Chinese owned restaurants.
They rarely spend any money here at all except maybe to buy a souvenir or 2 from Chinese owned stalls or souvenir shops.and never venture out unless in groups organized by the same Chinese owned travel agencies.
They wander around following the guy with the little flag on a stick with necks on swivels and never break that line regardless of traffic or red light traffic signals.
As a result, they are constantly causing traffic jams and holding up the life supporting vehicle traffic delivering food and other essentials to the rest of the populace.
I've actually seen them step in front of emergency vehicles like ambulances with red and blue light flashing and sirens on full volume accompanied by other such vehicles like fire brigades and police just in case they break the line.
On the other hand, they are now allowing Indians to come here with little or no security checks and there's now talk of them allowing and introducing laws that don't require the Indians to even have passports and are subsiding air fares so they can travel here return for as little as US$100.
I was told a few weeks ago that that the government is going to increase the allowable number of Indians permitted to 10 times the current number.
The Indians are as bad if not worse than the Chinese as they completely ignore local culture and laws. 
They will loiter about or wander around in groups of no less than 4 and more often 10 or 12 and are usually all males with rare exception. 
They hang around street corners or on footpaths blocking all other pedestrian traffic and will not move to let others pass regardless of how politely they are asked. 
If you're in a lift and wanting to get out while there are Indians wanting to get in, brace yourself for a tussle because they will not let you get out before they charge in.
They will also walk down busy streets and sois abreast of each other, sometimes 6 at a time regardless of traffic and the constant abuse from drivers who are obviously and mostly Thais going about their everyday business or jobs, so once again disrupting and annoying everyone who comes here except themselves.
They will also walk across busy streets "duck fashion" one behind the other also adding to the congestion.
They to have little money and it's not uncommon to see 6 or 8 of them sitting on bar stools with a single bottle of water or beverage between them and 6 straws.
This is annoying bar owners so much because farangs who do have the money are not going into these bars because all the seats are taken and many bar owners are now banning them from bars altogether.
The number of new Indian restaurants being opened in Pattaya is staggering buy many are not selling food.A friend recently shared his experience in visiting 4 Indian restaurants in close proximity to each other before they found one that actually sold food.
The staff in the others made lame excuses like "Sorry Sir. The chef has failed to arrive today" or, Sorry sir but we are writing a new menu and it's not completed yet"

So, now they are going to the beaches and taking all the free seats there while ogling the Thai girls and farang alike who are also getting really annoyed.
I'm not suggesting for one moment that all Indians who visit Pattaya will act in the above manner and nor am I suggesting that all Chinese will either but the vast majority who visit for a short stay, do as any expat living here will testify..  
Why on earth the government is condoning all this I have no idea and but all the above combined with the new restrictions being introduced and the strength of the Thai baht play a major role in why expats are leaving Pattaya and others are not taking their place and I'm sure the same applies elsewhere.
PS. To any moderator considering this to be a bit too racial, it is not written as such but is simply the truth and should be allowed so others can comment and add their opinions.
 

What new laws are being introduced constantly to make it harder for “Farang” to retire here.

The only change I have experienced in the past nine years is that I now obtain my income letter from the Bank rather than the Australian Consulate, it is cheaper and saves me a five hour round trip to Chiang Mai and an overnight stay.

My expat friends who have either Retirement Extensions or Marriage Visas don't seem to have experienced problems either.