Legal experts summoned by Democrats call Trump actions impeachable

[Tippaporn]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

I think it would take more than that to end the charade now. They have gone too far to turn back, but IMO let the circus begin, so the good people of the USA can see what the Dems are really up to.

Once the GOP can call their witnesses things will change, dramatically.

Nothing to fear.

More than anyone, I want to see Schiff hauled up for questioning.  Nothing will prevent me from viewing that as it's happening live.  Unfortunately, I would love to see the likes of Collins, Gaetz, Jordan, Nunes and a few others perform the interrogations.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

There is no law prohibiting the President of the United States from personally requesting anti-corruption assistance from the Ukraine.  I posted the treaty

Wrong. You quoted a source that did not support your argument. Lol!

 

The treaty you probably did not read explicitly requires a formal official request by the Attorney General and providing precise information. There was no request by the DOJ, one of the reasons being that there was no investigation into the Biden. 

Trump could have followed the legal way and instead chose the crooked way.

 

By the way, why is it that Trump's sycophant did not start an investigation into Biden, given Trumpers's allegation that there is ample evidence of wrongdoing? It's not like Trump was not obsessed by discrediting Biden, right? Why did Trump used the crooked way instead?

[JHolmesJr]

1 minute ago, candide said:

Wrong. You quoted a source that did not support your argument. Lol!

 

The treaty you probably did not read explicitly requires a formal official request by the Attorney General and providing precise information. There was no request by the DOJ, one of the reasons being that there was no investigation into the Biden. 

Trump could have followed the legal way and instead chose the crooked way.

 

By the way, why is it that Trump's sycophant did not start an investigation into Biden, given Trumpers's allegation that there is ample evidence of wrongdoing? It's not like Trump was not obsessed by discrediting Biden, right? Why did Trump used the crooked way instead?

 

Just.

Please.

Stop.

Its over.

 

Per IG Report, the whole process has been exposed as a corrupt sham. 

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

More than anyone, I want to see Schiff hauled up for questioning.  Nothing will prevent me from viewing that as it's happening live.  Unfortunately, I would love to see the likes of Collins, Gaetz, Jordan, Nunes and a few others perform the interrogations.

Did trump tell schiff what he did?

[JHolmesJr]

Just now, Sujo said:

Did trump tell schiff what he did?

see post #367.

Thanks 

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Just.

Please.

Stop.

Its over.

 

Per IG Report, the whole process has been exposed as a corrupt sham. 

Do you understand this impeachment has nothing to do with the mueller report?

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, JHolmesJr said:

see post #367.

Thanks 

Thats kinda difficult as your post is 361.

[JHolmesJr]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Do you understand this impeachment has nothing to do with the mueller report?

 

Nadler keeps referring to it, so tell him to stop.

[Jingthing]

30 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Just.

Please.

Stop.

Its over.

 

Per IG Report, the whole process has been exposed as a corrupt sham. 

No.

It.

Hasn't. 

Enough with the GASLIGHTING. 

[Sujo]

You certainly are doing backflips trying to tie one investigation to the other. Impeachment is not related to mueller report.

 

Congress is doing its duty. Too bad you dont like them doing that.

 

Why are you so angry about it. Not long ago you said its great for trump. You should be supporting it.

[RideJocky]

2 hours ago, ThaiBunny said:

Surely all Trump's Republicans have to say, at the end of the Democrat evidence, is "not proven". Who says they have to call any evidence at all in rebuttal?

The right will want to call new witnesses and interview witnesses already interviewed to publicly rebut the most of the testimony already publicized.

 

They they likely have the votes to dismiss it without any testimony, but I assume the’ll want to make political hay with new testimony. 
 

 

[theonetrueaussie]

pffft no one cares the whole thing is a sham anyone called by democrats would support impeachment we all know they are corrupt as hell....SO easy to tell just reverse the situation!

Donald trump JR was working for the ukraine company, Donald trump used his powers to get the Lawyer fired and say Obama was still president and withheld the aid and demanded an investigation! Consider this situation with the same facts involved and 99.99%% of the democrats would suddenly change their minds and say what obama did was fine and that if trump did nothing wrong he would have nothing to worry about!!

Just another sham investigation to circumvent democracy at any rate!!

 

Edited December 10, 2019 by theonetrueaussie

[RideJocky]

9 minutes ago, Sujo said:

You certainly are doing backflips trying to tie one investigation to the other. Impeachment is not related to mueller report.

 

Congress is doing its duty. Too bad you dont like them doing that.

 

Why are you so angry about it. Not long ago you said its great for trump. You should be supporting it.

Just because it’s good for Trump’s re-election does not mean it’s good for the country. 
 

[candide]

38 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Just.

Please.

Stop.

Its over.

 

Per IG Report, the whole process has been exposed as a corrupt sham. 

Wow! Impressive comment!

(1) The IG report is not dealing with the subject of Trump's impeachment. 

(2) the IG report confirms that the investigation was justified and unbiased, despite some errors. 

This is again a big fail for Trump: no treason, no sedition, no conspiracy, not political....

[candide]

6 minutes ago, theonetrueaussie said:

pffft no one cares the whole thing is a sham anyone called by democrats would support impeachment we all know they are corrupt as hell....SO easy to tell just reverse the situation!

Donald trump JR was working for the ukraine company, Donald trump used his powers to get the Lawyer fired and say Obama was still president and withheld the aid and demanded an investigation! Consider this situation with the same facts involved and 99.99%% of the democrats would suddenly change their minds and say what obama did was fine and that if trump did nothing wrong he would have nothing to worry about!!

Just another sham investigation to circumvent democracy at any rate!!

 

I think that if Obama though there had been a violation of US law, he would have asked his agencies to start a legal investigation.

He's not stupid like Trump is. 

Stop blaming the Dems, blame Trump's stupidity. Anyone with a brain would have been extremely cautious re collusion with a foreign state after the Mueller probe.

[RideJocky]

1 minute ago, candide said:

I think that if Obama though there had been a violation of US law, he would have asked his agencies to start a legal investigation.

He's not stupid like Trump is. 

Stop blaming the Dems, blame Trump's stupidity. Anyone with a brain would have been extremely cautious re collusion with a foreign state after the Mueller probe.

Do is Trump a criminal or is he just stupid? 
 

I know you’ll say “both!”, but that will just show how ridiculous your statement is.
 

I agree President Obama was/is much better at hiding his tracks.  Of course, he didn’t have the press to deal with...

[JHolmesJr]

44 minutes ago, Sujo said:

You certainly are doing backflips trying to tie one investigation to the other. Impeachment is not related to mueller report.

 

Congress is doing its duty. Too bad you dont like them doing that.

 

Why are you so angry about it. Not long ago you said its great for trump. You should be supporting it.

I'll refer you to post #374.

[candide]

14 minutes ago, RideJocky said:

Do is Trump a criminal or is he just stupid? 
 

I know you’ll say “both!”, but that will just show how ridiculous your statement is.
 

I agree President Obama was/is much better at hiding his tracks.  Of course, he didn’t have the press to deal with...

Both, and It's not ridiculous. He was stupid to commit a stupid abuse of power.

[J Town]

4 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

We'll see what John Durham uncovers.

Any investigation predicated on criminal negligence is null and void.

And so are any actions and consequences stemming from it.

Now THAT is ONE DESPERATE STRAW to be grasping at. The genie is out of the bottle, this report will never unring any bells.

[JHolmesJr]

9 minutes ago, J Town said:

Now THAT is ONE DESPERATE STRAW to be grasping at. The genie is out of the bottle, this report will never unring any bells.

 

wishful thinking indeed.

[tlandtday]

Any rational unbiased person can see that there is clearly something wrong with this process....

 

 

[Jingthing]

29 minutes ago, tlandtday said:

Any rational unbiased person can see that there is clearly something wrong with this process....

 

 

Can't defend based on the facts so whine constantly about process. Gaetz is an obnoxious bully like the soon to be impeached president he so loves. 45 said no quid pro quo after knew he was caught.

[JHolmesJr]

17 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Can't defend based on the facts so whine constantly about process.

They've got no facts...or fact witnesses.....just a while bunch of biased partisans with 'expert' opinions.

 

I wouldn't be popping the champagne just yet. Dems are feeling intense heat for their trumped up impeachment articles that are lightweight and vague. All the so called infringements are defined as whatever they say it is.

There is no legal standard that has been met and the threshold is extremely low.

 

But they are too deeply invested to pull their head out of the crocodile's jaws. Good.

[Mavideol]

3 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

They've got no facts...or fact witnesses.....just a while bunch of biased partisans with 'expert' opinions.

 

I wouldn't be popping the champagne just yet. Dems are feeling intense heat for their trumped up impeachment articles that are lightweight and vague. All the so called infringements are defined as whatever they say it is.

There is no legal standard that has been met and the threshold is extremely low.

 

But they are too deeply invested to pull their head out of the crocodile's jaws. Good.

the people who would provide first hand facts are not allowed to testify, the guy that claims he has nothing to hide completely ignored (he claimed to be above the law as well) the law/subpoenas and threaten anybody from his inner circle who would want or thought about testifying, that alone is already proof of guilty

[roobaa01]

20 hours ago, J Town said:

Now THAT is ONE DESPERATE STRAW to be grasping at. The genie is out of the bottle, this report will never unring any bells.

bell one comney will be summoned by grahamm to testify. bell 2 the suppression of exculpatory evidence by the fbi to the fisa court. bell 3 spying on the 2016 trump campaign bell 4 steel with dossier to clinton to obama gop bell 4 17 cases of fbi misconduct bell 4 trump impeachment over.

 

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roobaa01

Edited December 11, 2019 by roobaa01

[J Town]

4 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

bell one comney will be summoned by grahamm to testify. bell 2 the suppression of exculpatory evidence by the fbi to the fisa court. bell 3 spying on the 2016 trump campaign bell 4 steel with dossier to clinton to obama gop bell 4 17 cases of fbi misconduct bell 4 trump impeachment over.

That is SO wrong on EVERY level but it DID bring a smile to my face and a chuckle to all who will read it.

[Eric Loh]

12 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

bell one comney will be summoned by grahamm to testify. bell 2 the suppression of exculpatory evidence by the fbi to the fisa court. bell 3 spying on the 2016 trump campaign bell 4 steel with dossier to clinton to obama gop bell 4 17 cases of fbi misconduct bell 4 trump impeachment over.

 

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roobaa01

Let’s leave the final bell toll to Trump’s rude awakening in 2020. ????????????

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, roobaa01 said:

bell one comney will be summoned by grahamm to testify. bell 2 the suppression of exculpatory evidence by the fbi to the fisa court. bell 3 spying on the 2016 trump campaign bell 4 steel with dossier to clinton to obama gop bell 4 17 cases of fbi misconduct bell 4 trump impeachment over.

 

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roobaa01

Why would comey testify. He had nothing to do with the impeachment.

 

The dossier also has nothing to do with it.

[roobaa01]

20 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Why would comey testify. He had nothing to do with the impeachment.

 

The dossier also has nothing to do with it.

indsay graham was very precise on hannity 9.12.19 . he is goin to have comney testifying in front of his committee. a question would be why comney called steele still a credible source in an interview on tv 22.4.2018.

 

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roobaa01

[Sujo]

12 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

indsay graham was very precise on hannity 9.12.19 . he is goin to have comney testifying in front of his committee. a question would be why comney called steele still a credible source in an interview on tv 22.4.2018.

 

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roobaa01

I asked, in what way was comey involved in this impeachment in any way.

Btw,  you quote from april 2018? There wasnt even a congress investigation then. You are confusing 2 seperate matters.

 

Also just recently graham said they will not call any aditional witnesses to those that already testified.

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/republicans-prepare-to-call-no-witnesses-during-senate-impeachment-trial/

Edited December 11, 2019 by Sujo