Activist Thunberg completes intercontinental dash to Madrid climate summit

[teacherofwoe]

The Heartland Institute are at the COP25 this year (again), but you won't see any of their presentations on the mainstream because they use science, facts and data rather than hysteria and fear. You should check out their work on Youtube:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Orton Rd]

She will look back at herself in 30 years and realize what a fool she was

[sunnyboy2018]

On 12/7/2019 at 12:32 AM, Sujo said:

Yes its sad when the children accept the settled science only for adults to ignore established facts.

 

Makes one wonder who the children really are.

She does not promote science. She promotes her fear which she wants us to share. The, 'end is nigh' psychosis along with a messianic syndrome is really well known. Far from being disturbing its actually comforting for the sufferers. Its shameful that her syndrome is being exploited. Its also  shameful that no one has taken her to task for her hypocrisy for fear of being off message.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Orton Rd said:

She will look back at herself in 30 years and realize what a fool she was

I won't be here in 30 years, but it would be interesting to see if she is living in a log cabin, wrapped in bear skins, cycling everywhere and never to venture outside her country, unless a new type of energy has been found between now and then.....????

[Phuum]

Let me contribute to this discussion by posting the findings of two Finnish researchers at Turku University on sunspot activity and cloud formation released this summer.

 

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.00165.pdf

 

" During the last hundred years the temperature is increased about 0.1°C because of CO2. The human contribution was about 0.01°C."

 

 

So, since the industrial revolution humans are responsible for a temperature increase of 0.01 degrees on global average temperature. Now that's some food for thought for you climate alarmists out there!

 

That beeing said, fossil fuels do pollute our environment (as do most burning) which is a cause for serious concern but that is a separate matter.

 

[stevenl]

31 minutes ago, transam said:

More left wing tosh.....But, funny, very funny.....????

Again the usual well reasoned reply.

[sunnyboy2018]

16 hours ago, oldhippy said:

May I suggest that this thread be closed?

For the sake of decency.

The call for suppression of debate all too common when people fight back againt the common orthodoxy and bullying of extreme political views and lies,   often views promoted by a messianic leader. What next? Book burning?

[stevenl]

28 minutes ago, teacherofwoe said:

The Heartland Institute are at the COP25 this year (again), but you won't see any of their presentations on the mainstream because they use science, facts and data rather than hysteria and fear. You should check out their work on Youtube:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, that's why 97% of relevant scientists agree on manmade climate change. And that includes the well known very liberal ones at NASA.

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

The call for suppression of debate all too common when people fight back againt the common orthodoxy and bullying of extreme political views and lies,   often views promoted by a messianic leader. What next? Book burning?

Debate about what, established science like the shape of the earth?

 

You're living in the past, time to look at the future, if not for yourself than for your children and grandchildren.

Edited December 8, 2019 by stevenl

[transam]

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Again the usual well reasoned reply.

But the only way to respond to left wing/communist/anti everything tosh.....

Soooo tiresome.......????

[sunnyboy2018]

On 12/7/2019 at 1:53 AM, DannyCarlton said:

One of the weakest climate change denier arguments I've ever heard. Well, at least Greta has got you thinking about it and talking about it. There's hope for you yet!

I think she has got peope thinking in a way that is contrary to her beliefs. She has highlighted the idiocy and hypocrisy of the eco extremists who are more destructive than climate change.  She has inspired people to challenge her so called science.  The cost of eco plans will be worse than adapting to climate change.

[transam]

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Debate about what, established science like the shape of the earth?

 

You're living in the past, time to look at the future, if not for yourself than for your children and grandchildren.

What did the dinosaurs do wrong...?

 

 

 

[BritManToo]

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, that's why 97% of relevant scientists agree on manmade climate change. And that includes the well known very liberal ones at NASA.

NASA hasn't done anything worthwhile since the 1970s.

[rabas]

32 minutes ago, Phuum said:

Thank you for linking to this video, it's incredible how sharp Freeman Dyson is despite his old age. This video is not biased propaganda - just a very enlightening interview with a scientist, who is truly an expert in his field. I highly recommend spending 23 minutes to watch it!

 

Incredible 23 minutes. Nature is starting its adaptation. Count the times I've posted that Earth's environment is the most complex thing in the Universe. Why? Because it is created and maintained by living organisms controlled by DNA. One of the reasons that it's all settled science is rubbish. 

 

Freeman Dyson is not just offering opinions, he has been working on this for 30+ years. As a physicist he is a giant along with Einstein and Richard Feynman. When he says it's not settled and probably less than alarmist hype, I believe him.

[DannyCarlton]

14 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

I think she has got peope thinking in a way that is contrary to her beliefs. She has highlighted the idiocy and hypocrisy of the eco extremists who are more destructive than climate change.  She has inspired people to challenge her so called science.  The cost of eco plans will be worse than adapting to climate change.

A lot of truth in that. I think governments around the world, who do accept the facts regarding climate change, are on board with your way of thinking (and mine). Action is required but not to the point of destroying civilisation as we know it. Renewable energy is a good example, we do need to move from relying on fossil fuels to renewable energy, not just because of the damage fossil fuels do to the planet but their supply will eventually be exhausted. I'm an advocate of nuclear energy, which releases virtually no CO2 into the atmosphere, and research into nuclear fusion, however Thunberg & co are totally opposed to this.

 

I certainly don't agree with Greta's vision for combating climate change but do thank her for stimulating the debate.

[BobBKK]

She's a media construct.

[ivor bigun]

she should swim there ,then be to bloody tired to rant on ,silly little girl.

[brokenbone]

49 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, that's why 97% of relevant scientists agree on manmade climate change. And that includes the well known very liberal ones at NASA.

no, that is drivel from start to finish, this is where the 97% claim stem from,

it stem from an inability to conduct and extract statistics,

the only data you can extract from this is to divide those who

answered yes (75) with total responses (3146)

for a consensus of 2%,

and the other data  you can extract is the bias of this pseudo scientist

 

In 2008 Margaret Zimmerman asked two questions of
10,257 Earth Scientists at academic and government institutions. 3146 of them responded.
That survey was the original basis for the famous “97% consensus” claim.

For the calculation of the degree of consensus among experts in the Doran/Zimmerman article,
all but 79 of the respondents were excluded. They wrote:

“In our survey, the most specialized and knowledgeable respondents
(with regard to climate change) are those who listed climate science as
their area of expertise and who also have published more than 50% of
their recent peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change
(79 individuals in total).
Of these specialists, 96.2% (76 of 79) answered “risen”
to question 1 and 97.4% (75 of 77) answered yes to question 2.”

The basis for the “97% consensus” claim is this excerpt:

[of] “the most specialized and knowledgeable respondents
(with regard to climate change)… 97.4% (75 of 77) answered yes to question 2.”

 

 Q1: “When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures
have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?”   
76 of 79 (96.2%) answered “risen.”

 Q2: “Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor
in changing mean global temperatures?”   75 of 77 (97.4%) answered “yes.”

Q1. When compared with pre-1800's levels, do you think that
mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?
1. Risen
2. Fallen
3. Remained relatively constant
4. No opinion/Don't know
 
Q2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in
changing mean global temperatures?  
[This question wasn’t asked if they answered “remained relatively constant” to Q1]
1. Yes
2. No
3. I'm not sure
 
Q3. What do you consider to be the most compelling argument that supports your previous answer
(or, for those who were unsure, why were they unsure)?
[This question wasn’t asked if they answered “remained relatively constant” to Q1]

Q4. Please estimate the percentage of your fellow geoscientists who think
human activity is a contributing factor to global climate change.
 
Q5. Which percentage of your papers published in peer-reviewed journals in
the last 5 years have been on the subject of climate change?
 
Q6. Age
 
Q7. Gender
 
Q8. What is the highest level of education you have attained?
 
Q9. Which category best describes your area of expertise?

Edited December 8, 2019 by brokenbone

[ivor bigun]

When i was not a lot older than her ,i remember having a picture of Che Guevara on my wall and thinking how wonderful he was ,and that Communism was the way forward ,yelling at some guy in London in his rolls royce "wait till the revolution" also being told that oil would run out in  a short while ,

then i got married had a child ,a mortgage and joined the real world . lucky for me i was not manipulated by rich parents and people with an agenda ,

[canuckamuck]

14 hours ago, stevenl said:

Yes, incomprehensible the amount of hatred a small girl like this attracts.

False equivalency, People are opposed to the exploitation of a child, especially one with a list of mental health issues. 

Your saying people hate Greta is like saying PETA hates circus animals.

[steve187]

On 12/6/2019 at 6:30 PM, sirineou said:

I agree, it's a shame when children have more sense than some adults.

someone is pulling her strings and financing her.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, canuckamuck said:

False equivalency, People are opposed to the exploitation of a child, especially one with a list of mental health issues. 

Your saying people hate Greta is like saying PETA hates circus animals.

No, the child exploitation is just the excuse.

[transam]

13 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No, the child exploitation is just the excuse.

To me it seems you are OK with child exploitation as long as it suits your goal..????

[mauGR1]

32 minutes ago, transam said:

To me it seems you are OK with child exploitation as long as it suits your goal..????

I may be wrong, but this Greta thing seems to be a well orchestrated campaign to create divide in the public opinion, like we need more troubles than what we have already.

Divide and conquer, same old, same old.

[transam]

6 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

I may be wrong, but this Greta thing seems to be a well orchestrated campaign to create divide in the public opinion, like we need more troubles than what we have already.

Divide and conquer, same old, same old.

You maybe right, reminds me of a few union officials when I was a kid at work, they had nothing, would never have anything, but enjoyed playing with the establishment to satisfy their nothingness....

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

You maybe right, reminds me of a few union officials when I was a kid at work, they had nothing, would never have anything, but enjoyed playing with the establishment to satisfy their nothingness....

Yep. And getting paid for that.

[Orton Rd]

2 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

When i was not a lot older than her ,i remember having a picture of Che Guevara on my wall and thinking how wonderful he was ,and that Communism was the way forward ,yelling at some guy in London in his rolls royce "wait till the revolution" also being told that oil would run out in  a short while ,

then i got married had a child ,a mortgage and joined the real world . lucky for me i was not manipulated by rich parents and people with an agenda ,

No doubt you found out by his own admission he raped his family maid and in Cuba his role was as executioner, some hero! The Thunberg kid is a victim to be pitied, not hated as some seem to think she is

[DannyCarlton]

15 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

No doubt you found out by his own admission he raped his family maid and in Cuba his role was as executioner, some hero! The Thunberg kid is a victim to be pitied, not hated as some seem to think she is

McCarthyism is alive and well and living in Orton Road!

[Orton Rd]

I am not, nor have I ever been a member of the communist party or the IPPC or any other climate change nonsense, Greta is a victim of child abuse and a very silly little girl.

[MeePeeMai]

Ah yes, how did I miss this thread?  TVF, always good for a morning laugh before my morning dump. 

BTW I think Gretta needs to be paddled (the snotty little brat). Carry on gents!

Edited December 8, 2019 by MeePeeMai