UK PM Johnson plans to block extension of Brexit transition beyond 2020

[billd766]

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Yes but only the ones earning more than 60,000 pounds per year.

But this is not the time for divisive talk like this Bill. Its a time to unite behind Boris and get Brexit done.

Scotland is the only country that UK servicemen and women pay extra taxes?

  

Do you mean that there are more than 7,000 military personnel in Scotland who are higher rate taxpayers? Really?

 

Quote from the BBC link "At PMQs Theresa May said about 7,000 military personnel in Scotland would receive compensation to ensure that all soldiers pay the same across the UK."

Scotland's finance secretary said the MoD "failed to consult" on the issue.

 

This has little to do with Brexit and more to do with Scotland who are screaming out for Indyref2.

[Rookiescot]

May said 7000 military personnel in Scotland pay more tax because they earn over 60,000 pounds per year?

How many Generals have we got?

[spiekerjozef]

11 months? Why does everything take so long.

11 days should be more than enough to sort that <deleted> out.

[Monomial]

5 hours ago, SheungWan said:

If we are talking Sterling the formula is very simple: Hard Brexit sends it down and decent agreement sends it up.

 

Everything else constant you are correct of course, at least in the immediate term.

 

However, do keep in mind currency prices are relative to something, and there are 2 ways to affect the notion of up or down. Either the thing you have gets stronger, or the thing you are comparing it against gets weaker. In particular, in a hard brexit both the UK and the EU block will be affected (some members more than others). It is possible the pound could actually rise relative to the Euro after a hard brexit if there is a belief the EU economy will suffer more. I wouldn't care to assign a probability to that scenario because it depends on so many different things, but it can't be ruled out completely. 

 

[Rookiescot]

Just now, spiekerjozef said:

11 months? Why does everything take so long.

11 days should be more than enough to sort that <deleted> out.

They wont last 11 hours when faced with the might of Boris. 

He has a majority now dont you know. 

 

[DannyCarlton]

1 hour ago, elliss said:

 

               Gbp @ 45 bht . 

               I had a dream...

  

Nice dream. Back down to 39.73. Pre election results levels, and falling thanks to Johnson's "no deal brexit" announcment.

 

Always an inevitability, he has to pay his paymasters who have bet heavily against the British economy.

[DannyCarlton]

15 minutes ago, Monomial said:

 

Everything else constant you are correct of course, at least in the immediate term.

 

However, do keep in mind currency prices are relative to something, and there are 2 ways to affect the notion of up or down. Either the thing you have gets stronger, or the thing you are comparing it against gets weaker. In particular, in a hard brexit both the UK and the EU block will be affected (some members more than others). It is possible the pound could actually rise relative to the Euro after a hard brexit if there is a belief the EU economy will suffer more. I wouldn't care to assign a probability to that scenario because it depends on so many different things, but it can't be ruled out completely. 

 

Nice theory but, currently, the opposite is happening.

[SheungWan]

The reason why there is a definite exit date is payback for Farage standing back during the election campaign and not standing in the way of the Tories. It paid off.

[englishoak]

11 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Nice dream. Back down to 39.73. Pre election results levels, and falling thanks to Johnson's "no deal brexit" announcment.

 

Always an inevitability, he has to pay his paymasters who have bet heavily against the British economy.

 

Do you attribute every move of the £ downwards to Brexit ? seems so, wouldnt be anything to do with the markets doing their day job speculating then selling off of course, just as was expected and predicted.  

 

Pretty much every financial pundit was stating exactly what would happen in the immediate term to the £ in the event of a Tory win, and within a few days profits would be taken and would drop again back to pre election, it did exactly that. They also predicted in the event of a Corbyn win the market and £ would crash 5 - 10% so you should thank Boris really. I hope you got a transfer in while the window was open. 

 

Where did Johnson make a no deal announcement btw, in your head ? 

 

 

[david555]

11 minutes ago, englishoak said:

 

Do you attribute every move of the £ downwards to Brexit ? seems so, wouldnt be anything to do with the markets doing their day job speculating then selling off of course, just as was expected and predicted.  

 

Pretty much every financial pundit was stating exactly what would happen in the immediate term to the £ in the event of a Tory win, and within a few days profits would be taken and would drop again back to pre election, it did exactly that. They also predicted in the event of a Corbyn win the market and £ would crash 5 - 10% so you should thank Boris really. I hope you got a transfer in while the window was open. 

 

Where did Johnson make a no deal announcement btw, in your head ? 

 

 

Also on Bloomberg TV  , the City is staggering about his decision also they ( NOT the E.U. only ) say  can not be done for them in such short time 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-17/pound-slides-on-reports-johnson-will-block-further-brexit-delay?srnd=premium-europe

 

Enjoy 

Edited December 17, 2019 by david555

[david555]

A print out from Bloomberg from the most important article included first E.U. reactions and from Gove.....

 

Bloomberg Boris plan.pdf

Edited December 17, 2019 by david555

[3NUMBAS]

bring it on ,no time to waste

[englishoak]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Also on Bloomberg TV  , the City is staggering about his decision also they ( NOT the E.U. only ) say  can not be done for them in such short time 

 

Enjoy 

 

They wouldnt reopen negotiations but did,  The real story is there is going to be no more delay and messing about by the EU allowed by law, thats a good thing, It will focus both sides to get a deal done. Dont listen to what politicians say, watch what they do, they will make a deal, its in the EUs best interest to make a deal... so they will. 

 

Most knew yesterday this was coming, the papers certainly did so no the city is not staggering at all, stop with the drama. 

 

 

[DannyCarlton]

27 minutes ago, englishoak said:

 

Do you attribute every move of the £ downwards to Brexit ? seems so, wouldnt be anything to do with the markets doing their day job speculating then selling off of course, just as was expected and predicted.  

 

Pretty much every financial pundit was stating exactly what would happen in the immediate term to the £ in the event of a Tory win, and within a few days profits would be taken and would drop again back to pre election, it did exactly that. They also predicted in the event of a Corbyn win the market and £ would crash 5 - 10% so you should thank Boris really. I hope you got a transfer in while the window was open. 

 

Where did Johnson make a no deal announcement btw, in your head ? 

 

 

Yep, perfectly timed my transfer.

 

If we don't negotiate a trade agreement wit the EU, we revert to WTO rules, ergo a no deal Brexit. Johnson's annoncment makes this certain. I predicted this way before the election, it was always Johnson's Cummings' plan. Of course it was dismissed as "Project Fear" and the sheeple went right on and voted for Johnson.

[david555]

11 minutes ago, englishoak said:

 

They wouldnt reopen negotiations but did,  The real story is there is going to be no more delay and messing about by the EU allowed by law, thats a good thing, It will focus both sides to get a deal done. Dont listen to what politicians say, watch what they do, they will make a deal, its in the EUs best interest to make a deal... so they will. 

 

Most knew yesterday this was coming, the papers certainly did so no the city is not staggering at all, stop with the drama. 

 

 

Don't keep the head too long under sand ostrich mode  , could become dangerous 

BTW what you mean with E.U. reopened negotiations ,did they changed the letters  lay out maybe ? I can only remember Boris got agreed with border check s for Ireland and ….? LOL

Edited December 17, 2019 by david555

[david555]

3 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Yep, perfectly timed my transfer.

 

If we don't negotiate a trade agreement wit the EU, we revert to WTO rules, ergo a no deal Brexit. Johnson's annoncment makes this certain. I predicted this way before the election, it was always Johnson's Cummings' plan. Of course it was dismissed as "Project Fear" and the sheeple went right on and voted for Johnson.

The article also point out the HOC will have no say or vote on it ….. the blond dictator is still alive inside ….

[englishoak]

6 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Yep, perfectly timed my transfer.

 

If we don't negotiate a trade agreement wit the EU, we revert to WTO rules, ergo a no deal Brexit. Johnson's annoncment makes this certain. I predicted this way before the election, it was always Johnson's Cummings' plan. Of course it was dismissed as "Project Fear" and the sheeple went right on and voted for Johnson.

 

Whats more certain is a deal will be done. Its in the EUs best interest and it has far more to lose than the UK if one is not made, so it will be.

 

If its WTO it wouldnt bother me a jot tbh as whatever hardships we would be going through it with our EU cousins.. however ive more faith in greedy business and politicians interests than you, a deal is the most likely outcome by far. 

 

If we reach the end of next year and no deal is done and its WTO i will apologise to you here publicly. Until then like all the other drama queens shouting the sky is falling  You ARE project fear. ???? 

 

PS im glad you got a transfer in ????

 

Edited December 17, 2019 by englishoak

[englishoak]

5 minutes ago, david555 said:

The article also point out the HOC will have no say or vote on it ….. the blond dictator is still alive inside ….

 

Your losing it and now trolling... I do believe your rattled and genuinely scared the UK is leaving and setting down lines in the sand of when.. i wonder what is going to happen when the EU goes from 3 to 2 net contributors..  The UK's economy is set to grow at a faster rate than Germany's, according to EU figures Berlin’s GDP this year is forecast to grow only 0.4 percent, and then one percent in 2020 and 2021. https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/economic-performance-and-forecasts/economic-forecasts/autumn-2019-economic-forecast-challenging-road-ahead_en

 

I hear the ECB is going to fire up more QE in 2020. That'll fix everything.......... not

[DannyCarlton]

31 minutes ago, englishoak said:

If we reach the end of next year and no deal is done and its WTO i will apologise to you here publicly.

I'll hold you to that! 555

[melvinmelvin]

8 hours ago, Momofarang said:

Is the "Upper house" one of those "Undemocratic european institutions"?

 

Not European, British

 

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, englishoak said:

 

Your losing it and now trolling... I do believe your rattled and genuinely scared the UK is leaving and setting down lines in the sand of when.. i wonder what is going to happen when the EU goes from 3 to 2 net contributors..  The UK's economy is set to grow at a faster rate than Germany's, according to EU figures

Yep, they’re all brickin’ It now. Not only the Johnnies on TVF but the masters in Brussels. 

Now is the time for Boris to start sticking it right up ‘em. They don’t like that you know. 

[Monomial]

An interesting analysis I just read about this bill under UK law to make it illegal to extend beyond 2020. Apparently, the Withdrawl Agreement says the option to extend beyond 2020 is given to a joint comittee (that has until July to decide) compromising members from both the EU and the UK whose job it is to implement the spirit of the Withdrawl Agreement in good faith.  It says nothing about the UK government needing to approve the extension.

 

So presumably, a bill making it illegal to extend is pointless, because the Withdrawl Agreement is superior to any UK law, and anyone joining the joint committee is required to support the intent of the WIthdrawl Agreement in good faith. If that responsibility conflicts with UK law, then UK law must be ignored, because the Withdrawl Agreement is superior to it, and it will be EU courts that will determine whether or not the UK contingent of joint committee are acting in good faith.

 

Sounds like this might be nothing more than throwing a bone to Nigel Farage, with Boris laughing the whole way that Nigel was stupid enough to fall for it.

 

Is there any substance to this argument?

[vogie]

9 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Indeed Vogie. Those French dont like it up em. See how they crumble when faced with a man like Boris.

Actually if you strip away your intended sarcasm, you couldn't be more correct.

[nauseus]

10 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Full steam ahead guys. Lets get Brexit done. Straight to those sunny uplands filled with unicorns and rainbows. Nothing but good news will come from Brext.

The world will fall at our feet in order to strike trade deals even though they are the stronger party.

The EU will cave in to all our demands.

The United States will probably demand to become a colony again just to share in our good fortune and wealth. All the former colonies will.

Boris you are the new Messiah. We are lucky to have someone of your huge intellect and integrity to lead us.

 

that's the spirit....have you converted? 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Monomial said:

An interesting analysis I just read about this bill under UK law to make it illegal to extend beyond 2020. Apparently, the Withdrawl Agreement says the option to extend beyond 2020 is given to a joint comittee (that has until July to decide) compromising members from both the EU and the UK whose job it is to implement the spirit of the Withdrawl Agreement in good faith.  It says nothing about the UK government needing to approve the extension.

 

So presumably, a bill making it illegal to extend is pointless, because the Withdrawl Agreement is superior to any UK law, and anyone joining the joint committee is required to support the intent of the WIthdrawl Agreement in good faith. If that responsibility conflicts with UK law, then UK law must be ignored, because the Withdrawl Agreement is superior to it, and it will be EU courts that will determine whether or not the UK contingent of joint committee are acting in good faith.

 

Sounds like this might be nothing more than throwing a bone to Nigel Farage, with Boris laughing the whole way that Nigel was stupid enough to fall for it.

 

Is there any substance to this argument?

 

I think so. But the WA, as is, has not passed and been signed off...yet. 

Edited December 18, 2019 by nauseus

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

I think so. But the WA, as is, has not passed and been signed off...yet. 

So you agree with the assessment that the bill would have no validity since it would be superceded by the withdrawal agreement?

Edited December 18, 2019 by stevenl

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

So you agree with the assessment that the bill would have no validity since it would be superceded by the withdrawal agreement?

I said I think so but that would depend on the relevant wording within the WA.

[cleopatra2]

3 hours ago, Monomial said:

An interesting analysis I just read about this bill under UK law to make it illegal to extend beyond 2020. Apparently, the Withdrawl Agreement says the option to extend beyond 2020 is given to a joint comittee (that has until July to decide) compromising members from both the EU and the UK whose job it is to implement the spirit of the Withdrawl Agreement in good faith.  It says nothing about the UK government needing to approve the extension.

 

So presumably, a bill making it illegal to extend is pointless, because the Withdrawl Agreement is superior to any UK law, and anyone joining the joint committee is required to support the intent of the WIthdrawl Agreement in good faith. If that responsibility conflicts with UK law, then UK law must be ignored, because the Withdrawl Agreement is superior to it, and it will be EU courts that will determine whether or not the UK contingent of joint committee are acting in good faith.

 

Sounds like this might be nothing more than throwing a bone to Nigel Farage, with Boris laughing the whole way that Nigel was stupid enough to fall for it.

 

Is there any substance to this argument?

The Bill is not pointless .

What is being proposed is that Parliament cannot force an extension. However since the WA is an international treaty the  Bill would not prevent UK via its representative extending.

 

[sandyf]

11 hours ago, billd766 said:

Did you know that the UK military in England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland pay income tax? However in Scotland they get taxed again on their salary.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-47720303

What do you suggest as the alternative Bill, abolish the tax and have the service people pay English prices to send children to University and prescriptions etc.

You realise that by compensating the military in Scotland they are effectively giving them a pay rise over personnel serving elsewhere.

[DannyCarlton]

14 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

What is being proposed is that Parliament cannot force an extension.

And the reasoning for that? He has a large majority in paliament, why would they force an extension against his wishes?

 

Answer: Even his own MPs will turn against him when the penny finally drops and even they realise that it's all part of his cunning plan to take the UK out of Europe on no deal and bust the economy. For Mogg and Johnson's backers, kerching!