UK Pensions and related info

[OJAS]

On 3/10/2024 at 4:39 PM, chickenslegs said:

My Government Gateway account is showing that I owe 1,300+ GBP income tax from 2022/2023 and states that I will incur penalties if not paid by 27 March this year. I paid in December 2023.

 

The only course of action I can think of in your case would be to register a formal complaint about HMRC in accordance with the procedure set out on the GOV.UK website:

 

https://www.gov.uk/complain-about-hmrc

 

That's certainly what I did this time last year in connection with a dispute I had with them regarding the outstanding amount of capital gains tax owed on a UK property I'd sold. Admittedly it took some time to get matters resolved to my satisfaction, but I did eventually get there in the end! 

[Tiber]

On 3/8/2024 at 2:56 PM, cleopatra2 said:

You are talking rubbish.

The statements/guidance you are quoting states that the Benefit cannot be reduced. This simply means that the DWP have to credit the claimant , in this case a pensioner with the value of the state pension. 

Take note it's states the Benefit. It does not state the claimant must receive the benefit in full. 

As an example a person who claims housing benefit may have the benefit paid direct to the council , landlord or to their bank account. Regardless how the housing benefit is paid the claimant is still regarded as receiving the benefit amount.

 

However let's just assume your position is correct  in the case of a charge of benefit fraud on the state pension.

 

The CPS guidelines on such a situation is that the DWP does not commence criminal charges but use the civils powers available.

Thus the DWP start proceedings to apply a fine for failure to notify a change of circumstances without reasonable excuse.

They then calculate the overpayment and request the repayment. Failure to reach an agreement , the overpayment on accounts legislation allow the DWP to deduct amounts from the state pension to clear any outstanding debt.

It now should be obvious that the DWP has not charged the pensioner with fraud thus the statement)guidance about sanctionable / non sanctionable benefits is moot.

  Gone quiet,        equate offering as this (housing benefit  etc.) to frozen pension is nonsense You have never understood the meaning of Disqualified Sanction in relation to OAP,( 4 of them)

 

  " It should now be obvious" ( clear as mud)   you define disqualifying sanction as "moot" is ridiculous  fact is it supersedes anything after 2010 never used (never has/will be) same same potential frozen pensioner sanctions recipients in TH

 

Happy time for unfrozen bunch £900 quid coming up, no spring in their steps, wallets too heavy.

[transam]

Isn't it strange how some have to come on here and brag about defrauding the UK Gov of a few pension quid.

But I guess, they need to do that, shame really............😢

[Tiber]

17 minutes ago, transam said:

Isn't it strange how some have to come on here and brag about defrauding the UK Gov of a few pension quid.

But I guess, they need to do that, shame really............😢

"Defrauding" ?   hardly ,no punishment /sanctions, nothing.

 

  However I have requested a total 2(two) Freedom of Information statements from DWP on this very subject. They (DWP) appear to be breaching their own rules,30 day replies required, perhaps you could indeed enquire too, templates are available

 

  Its spring,  be happy     yes  miserable weather in UK  ,but daffs are in full bloom, magnificent

 

   by the way,please answer

On 3/8/2024 at 2:25 PM, Tiber said:

 

    You mean  of course Pension Credit, or and Disability Pension

https://www.gov.uk/benefit-fraud  again.   https://www.gov.uk/benefit-fraud

 

If I  may direct you to DWP regulations, and of course directly, repeat directly, relate to State Pension    thank you. 

  If you yourself kindly direct me to anything that directly opposes the DWP statement on State Pension, of course eliminating anything that may blur your statement   ie  Pension Credit/Disability /sickness/ housing/universal credit it would again be most appreciated  would be deeply appreciated  Thanking You

 

A feather in your cap, and I mean it really is, if as you ascertain that DWP regulatory authors are wrongly publishing wrongful content, really a huge thank...thank you

 

Realisation homes in here!" taking your advice on committing fraud over a few pension quid".  as you quote above  "Few pension quid?"   £900 this up and coming year, I estimate I'm £4000 a year ahead of you

 

  A few camp followers   frozen pit wallowers, now I see down from 9

 

[Mike Lister]

Baiting posts removed

[transam]

15 hours ago, Tiber said:

"Defrauding" ?   hardly ,no punishment /sanctions, nothing.

 

  However I have requested a total 2(two) Freedom of Information statements from DWP on this very subject. They (DWP) appear to be breaching their own rules,30 day replies required, perhaps you could indeed enquire too, templates are available

 

  Its spring,  be happy     yes  miserable weather in UK  ,but daffs are in full bloom, magnificent

 

   by the way,please answer

 

I'm sorry, but, your first sentence is false and misleading to readers here, the rest has to be ignored........

[cleopatra2]

20 hours ago, Tiber said:

  Gone quiet,        equate offering as this (housing benefit  etc.) to frozen pension is nonsense You have never understood the meaning of Disqualified Sanction in relation to OAP,( 4 of them)

 

  " It should now be obvious" ( clear as mud)   you define disqualifying sanction as "moot" is ridiculous  fact is it supersedes anything after 2010 never used (never has/will be) same same potential frozen pensioner sanctions recipients in TH

 

Happy time for unfrozen bunch £900 quid coming up, no spring in their steps, wallets too heavy.

Gone quiet ? 

As far as I am concerned you are either trolling or unable to  understand what you read. I am favouring the former.

 

If people wish to claim the unfrozen pension when not entitled , that is up to the individual and of no concern to me.

 

I have provided the DWP policy showing that the state pension is not immune to compulsory deductions to repay the overpayments and fines that may be imposed.

The document also provided the legislation that the DWP relies upon when making such decision.

 

The claim that the State Pension somehow has this magical immunity is so easily disproven.

 

The State pension is lost if a claiment is imprisoned or placed in remand.

 

The majority of frozen pensioners are aware that if they return to the UK the pension benefit is uprated to the level as if not frozen.

However once they return to a country that is not uprated the pension reverts back to the original frozen level.

 

The disqualifying and sanctionable clauses are only applicable to the issue of when a benefit is subject to a penalty of a Benefit Sanction as laid in the Social Security legislations.

As the State Pension is not a Sanctionable Benefit and thus no such penalty is applied , it becomes moot.

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, cleopatra2 said:

Gone quiet ? 

As far as I am concerned you are either trolling or unable to  understand what you read. I am favouring the former.

 

If people wish to claim the unfrozen pension when not entitled , that is up to the individual and of no concern to me.

 

I have provided the DWP policy showing that the state pension is not immune to compulsory deductions to repay the overpayments and fines that may be imposed.

The document also provided the legislation that the DWP relies upon when making such decision.

 

The claim that the State Pension somehow has this magical immunity is so easily disproven.

 

The State pension is lost if a claiment is imprisoned or placed in remand.

 

The majority of frozen pensioners are aware that if they return to the UK the pension benefit is uprated to the level as if not frozen.

However once they return to a country that is not uprated the pension reverts back to the original frozen level.

 

The disqualifying and sanctionable clauses are only applicable to the issue of when a benefit is subject to a penalty of a Benefit Sanction as laid in the Social Security legislations.

As the State Pension is not a Sanctionable Benefit and thus no such penalty is applied , it becomes moot.

 

I think it is just the odd few here that want to boast they are chancers on the fiddle.

When in reality nobody cares.........🤗

 

Plus, they boast on a worldwide Internet forum about it, as they are undiscoverable.........................😆

 

A sandwich short of a picnic comes to mind......

[Tiber]

32 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

Gone quiet ? 

As far as I am concerned you are either trolling or unable to  understand what you read. I am favouring the former.

 

If people wish to claim the unfrozen pension when not entitled , that is up to the individual and of no concern to me.

 

I have provided the DWP policy showing that the state pension is not immune to compulsory deductions to repay the overpayments and fines that may be imposed.

The document also provided the legislation that the DWP relies upon when making such decision.

 

The claim that the State Pension somehow has this magical immunity is so easily disproven.

 

The State pension is lost if a claiment is imprisoned or placed in remand.

 

The majority of frozen pensioners are aware that if they return to the UK the pension benefit is uprated to the level as if not frozen.

However once they return to a country that is not uprated the pension reverts back to the original frozen level.

 

The disqualifying and sanctionable clauses are only applicable to the issue of when a benefit is subject to a penalty of a Benefit Sanction as laid in the Social Security legislations.

As the State Pension is not a Sanctionable Benefit and thus no such penalty is applied , it becomes moot.

 

You can favour whatever you want sunshine, bottom line is no action has or ever will be undertaken   against any pensioner claiming unfrozen pension there    Am awaiting confirmation from DWP for a statement to that effect,  by answering in the affirmative it surely will open floodgates, hence no reply.

 

  Already acknowledge your preamble, so that is most definitely "moot"  There are no sanctions available to DWP, let alone hypocritical also hypothetical ranting, that DWP would impose

 

Losses to the frozen bunch are emotional and without doubt financial, cold comfort when the frozen pit members get together,boy,is it cold.

 

    To the unfrozen bunch, enjoy your 8.5% increase in SP,next year more like 4.5%,but worth picking up  lol

[Mike Lister]

Baiting post removed, again, next one earns a holiday.

[Tiber]

1 hour ago, transam said:

I think it is just the odd few here that want to boast they are chancers on the fiddle.

When in reality nobody cares.........🤗

 

Plus, they boast on a worldwide Internet forum about it, as they are undiscoverable.........................😆

 

A sandwich short of a picnic comes to mind......

"odd few"   I would estimate that far more than half of OA pensioners there are unfrozen, no  fiddle ,DWP regulations say so "non-sanctionable"

 

  Yes worldwide forum, hope the NZs, Aussie members pick it up too

 

     I'm in the dragons den,sort of speak UK,but I'm being given money hand over fist by DWP,work that one out, supposed to be in here 2 of last 3 years, money flowed in just three weeks, and i did not apply for it    thanking them (DWP)   

[Mike Lister]

2 minutes ago, Tiber said:

"odd few"   I would estimate that far more than half of OA pensioners there are unfrozen, no  fiddle ,DWP regulations say so "non-sanctionable"

 

  Yes worldwide forum, hope the NZs, Aussie members pick it up too

 

     I'm in the dragons den,sort of speak UK,but I'm being given money hand over fist by DWP,work that one out, supposed to be in here 2 of last 3 years, money flowed in just three weeks, and i did not apply for it    thanking them (DWP)   

You seem to want to keep pushing this message that there is no penalty for giving DWP false information and living overseas whilst collecting the State Pension whilst pretending to live in the UK.

 

About one week ago, this subject was done to death and culminated with one member posting copies of his communications with DWP for this very offense. That member was financially penalised and as I recall, taken to court. Perhaps others who remember that thread, can point you towards it. In the meantime, I strongly suggest you stop trolling other members on this subject when I suspect you know full well that it is against the law.

[Tiber]

8 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

You seem to want to keep pushing this message that there is no penalty for giving DWP false information and living overseas whilst collecting the State Pension whilst pretending to live in the UK.

 

About one week ago, this subject was done to death and culminated with one member posting copies of his communications with DWP for this very offense. That member was financially penalised and as I recall, taken to court. Perhaps others who remember that thread, can point you towards it. In the meantime, I strongly suggest you stop trolling other members on this subject when I suspect you know full well that it is against the law.

Yes thank you, I remember it well.  The published letters as you state were a voluntary admission to the DWP of a overpayment totalling £200 plus £50 fine for an event some 5 years beforehand, not as the individual later states "he was reminded of of it some 15 months afterwards" .

 

  This was a set up from the start from two members involvement ,you can guess one of them right now, its on record   "look, look ,see what they have done" Other members at the time questioned its authenticity, stating it was Pension Credit, not State Pension, but then you could put anything through computer Word,to get the required result

 

 I did contact DWP on this letter, again "they do not respond to individual"  blah blah.    I asked  my MP to contact the DWP for a response to this ,and he informed me to look at the letters again to pick up 3 features on the said letters that were definitely not authentic ,and basically a load of <deleted>

 

  These letters do spring up from time to time, sort of the "rabbit out of the hat" moment

 

   Thanking Pauline, head of DWP,is or was, for stating the obvious

[Mike Lister]

2 minutes ago, Tiber said:

Yes thank you, I remember it well.  The published letters as you state were a voluntary admission to the DWP of a overpayment totalling £200 plus £50 fine for an event some 5 years beforehand, not as the individual later states "he was reminded of of it some 15 months afterwards" .

 

  This was a set up from the start from two members involvement ,you can guess one of them right now, its on record   "look, look ,see what they have done" Other members at the time questioned its authenticity, stating it was Pension Credit, not State Pension, but then you could put anything through computer Word,to get the required result

 

 I did contact DWP on this letter, again "they do not respond to individual"  blah blah.    I asked  my MP to contact the DWP for a response to this ,and he informed me to look at the letters again to pick up 3 features on the said letters that were definitely not authentic ,and basically a load of <deleted>

 

  These letters do spring up from time to time, sort of the "rabbit out of the hat" moment

 

   Thanking Pauline, head of DWP,is or was, for stating the obvious

As things stand presently, seemingly authentic correspondence has been posted that confirms most peoples suspicions or beliefs that claiming the state pension increase whilst living overseas, is against the law (except selected countries). We have only your word that the letters are not authentic plus we have some amateur lawyer interpretations of the DWP rules to support your claim. None of those things pass the sniff test as far as I am concerned and they are a very long way from being conclusive.

 

If you intend to pursue your argument, you will need to post authentic counter claim letters, from a highly reliable source, confirming your view, anything else will be deleted. This thread is about UK pensions, which attracts lots of pensioners seeking information. This is not a thread about whether claiming the state pension overseas entitles you to the uplift although you could start such a dedicated thread, if you so wish. 

 

There will be no further debate on this point.

 

[Mike Lister]

A baiting post removed.

 

I did say, there will be no further debate on this!