Can Sanders beat Trump? A growing number of Democratic voters say yes

[Solinvictus]

7 hours ago, candide said:

Most European countries already have a system which is similar to what Bernie wants to implement. So there are ways to solve these problems.

Exactly, you see Americans especially those over 45 have really been fully 'wiped' in terms of demanding more basic human rights. IMO. Folks in France protest all the time.

 

It's nuts really when you think about it. Why does the US not have free healthcare. Not to mention society that addresses income inequality. People will argue, 'how will you pay for it'? LOL They don't ask that question when in comes to THE MILITARY.

 

What we have here is a politician that has been striving for the people for over 20 years. Not voting for Bernie, IMO, is not only lacking empathy for your fellow American but actually against your own socioeconomic interest. Oh, did I mention, naive...????

[WalkingOrders]

10 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Then there was the OBEC oil embargo wrecking the economy and a rather apt comment for that occasion. Things have changed since. 

Let me be clear THIS YEAR Sanders has called for Nationalization of the energy sector.... case closed. And he is a Marxist Trot!

[WalkingOrders]

44 minutes ago, malibukid said:

Bernie will extend Medicare to expats living abroad, which will save taxpayers millions

With what a magic wand?

[Solinvictus]

7 hours ago, Vigilante said:

Chances of Bernie getting the nomination are quite slim.

He will get bumped at the convention by the DNC bigwigs ('unelectable' etc)

Assuming he gets it I would give him a 50/50 chance

Ppl like freebies and Bernie will promise them by the truckload

Trump's slogans will be yesterday's warmed-up spaghetti.

 

 

 

People like freebies. You mean corporations and the wealthy class? With their bail-outs or subsidies? Or maybe you mean the vast military budget.

 

Oh, I see you rather than addressing those as the real issues, you repeat corporate talking points that gaslight regular people...

 

'freebies'

 

Hell yeah, I want 'freebies.' I want my free education and healthcare. Hell yes. Why kick shoes with no shoes on...the older generation seems to forgotten that after Ronald Reagan's rolling back of FDR's policies that were similar to Bernie's..

 

All the while these same people who argue the such are okay with unregulated capitalism and the income inequality to the extent it is today. No thanks.

 

Yeah, I'm glad the many folks from different communities are coming together to demand more from the gov rather than being marginalized.

 

(drops the speaker phone)

Edited February 27, 2020 by Solinvictus

[soalbundy]

In a normal civilised country a dead cat could defeat Trump

[WalkingOrders]

10 minutes ago, Solinvictus said:

Exactly, you see Americans especially those over 45 have really been fully 'wiped' in terms of demanding more basic human rights. IMO. Folks in France protest all the time.

 

It's nuts really when you think about it. Why does the US not have free healthcare. Not to mention society that addresses income inequality. People will argue, 'how will you pay for it'? LOL They don't ask that question when in comes to THE MILITARY.

 

What we have here is a politician that has been striving for the people for over 20 years. Not voting for Bernie, IMO, is not only lacking empathy for your fellow American but actually against your own socioeconomic interest. Oh, did I mention, naive...????

Bernie Sanders has spent an entire career agitating, because thats what Comrades do. But I hope he cleans house on Tuesday. Hasta La Victoria siempre!

[Eric Loh]

15 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Let me be clear THIS YEAR Sanders has called for Nationalization of the energy sector.... case closed. And he is a Marxist Trot!

He was talking about the Tennessee Valley Authority which is owned by the federal government and You still can’t differentiate between socialist, communist and Marxist 

[metisdead]

Troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

[GeorgeCross]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

Can Sanders beat Trump? A growing number of Democratic voters say yes

 

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahah

 

no.

 

i doubt he'll even get the chance, he's not one of 'the club'

 

 

[Solinvictus]

7 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Sanders is old news. 

The possibility of a Marxist like him becoming POTUS is laughable. 

Your post & view along all those that 'liked' it are not only out of touch but sadly mistaken.

Why do I say this and accuse all those who actually liked such a comment...

 

Bernie continually is leading in polls...

Bernie has finished either first or second in the latest 3 states...

????‍♀️

#getaclue

#makeasandwich

Edited February 27, 2020 by Solinvictus

[GeorgeCross]

14 minutes ago, Solinvictus said:

People like freebies. You mean corporations and the wealthy class? With their bail-outs or subsidies? Or maybe you mean the vast military budget.

 

Oh, I see you rather than addressing those as the real issues, you repeat corporate talking points that gaslight regular people...

 

'freebies'

 

Hell yeah, I want 'freebies.' I want my free education and healthcare. Hell yes. Why kick shoes with no shoes on...the older generation seems to forgotten that after Ronald Reagan's rolling back of FDR's policies that were similar to Bernie's..

 

All the while these same people who argue the such are okay with unregulated capitalism and the income inequality to the extent it is today. No thanks.

 

Yeah, I'm glad the many folks from different communities are coming together to demand more from the gov rather than being marginalized.

 

(drops the speaker phone)

 

if you want to see what happens when a candidate over promises to the degree sanders is look no further than the recent UK election. landslide loss.

 

no one over 30 believes that <deleted> but broke students and snowflake millenials

 

and they don't vote in big enough number to make a difference

 

the 401K crowd will steam roller them

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 27, 2020 by GeorgeCross

[bkk6060]

Sanders will get the nomination.

Trump will win in a landslide.

[riclag]

 The senator from Vermont would give his most frenzied endorsement of the Chavez regime yet, posting an op-ed to his official website asserting that “… the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina … Who’s the banana republic now?”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/1/on-venezuela-bernie-sanders-has-a-lot-more-explain/

 

 

It all starts with good intentions but over time they still haven't perfected it! Sanders and his sympathizer aoc are  scaring mod democrats and republicans with their radical views,just watch the debates

[bkk6060]

To add, not trying to be racist, discriminatory, antisemitism or whatever. But yes, many people are in the US regarding this.

Sanders is Jewish.

A Jewish person has never been elected President in the US.

It is a fact just sayin.

[candide]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Perhaps, its because government and powerful leaders of the party are controlling things with the emphasis on radical leaders in power and democratic process  interpretation

 

"Democratic socialism, a growing U.S. political movement in recent years, lands somewhere in between social democracy and communism. Like communists, democratic socialists believe workers should control the bulk of the means of production, and not be subjected to the will of the free market and the capitalist classes. But they believe their vision of socialism must be achieved through democratic processes, rather than revolution. 

https://www.history.com/news/socialism-communism-differences

 

Practically, democratic socialism usually turns into social democracy, I.e. UK, France, Nordic countries, etc...

 

In these countries, there was nothing like "the emphasis on radical leaders in power and democratic process  interpretation".

 

When it happens, it means that it's not democratic any more, i.e. in Venezuela and it can happen on both sides, whether socialism or capitalism.

[UbonThani]

1 hour ago, rhyddid said:

Lets hope Bernie will be the main candidate supported by all Dem.

he the only one can keep up with ego rotten Trump, his false promises (get out of middle east and much more) got a good part of voters tired of him, what Trump got now is only the racist suprematist, pro Zionist, and the bigot Church people.

Bernie has a goot change to win the election if Dem fully support him, indeed we know several Dem top brass are on right wing Zionist payroll and therefore will do anything to boycott Bernie.
Condir that Bernie is a Jew, but a good one, who really want peace with Palestine and in all middle east.

If Americans, really want out of all these madness wars, end the huge continue mad shootings in their schools and be a positive leading country in the globe, Bernie is the man to be voted !

Racist mumblings

[scorecard]

17 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

To add, not trying to be racist, discriminatory, antisemitism or whatever. But yes, many people are in the US regarding this.

Sanders is Jewish.

A Jewish person has never been elected President in the US.

It is a fact just sayin.

So what...

[UbonThani]

Black never won before. Sanders is a Marxist. All lefties are at the core.

[pmarlin]

Man people are stupid if they think all the BS promises Sanders has put out will ever happen. He is nothing but a con man who can't deliver on any of his proposals. It takes a friendly congress to do it and if the courts get involved he will not have any legal standing . He's just an old turd with a load mouth conning dumb A@@ Americans with a promise of free stuff. Only the losers go with this guy.

[riclag]

29 minutes ago, candide said:

Practically, democratic socialism usually turns into social democracy, I.e. UK, France, Nordic countries, etc...

 

In these countries, there was nothing like "the emphasis on radical leaders in power and democratic process  interpretation".

 

When it happens, it means that it's not democratic any more, i.e. in Venezuela and it can happen on both sides, whether socialism or capitalism.

The crux of the progressive program is to use the public purse to provide ever-increasing benefits to the public and to, thereby, build a permanent constituency of supporters who are also dependents. They want able-bodied citizens to become more dependent, subject to greater control, and increasingly supportive of dependency. The tacit goal of this project is to convert all of us into 25 year-olds living in the government’s basement, focusing our energies on obtaining a larger allowance rather than getting a job and moving out.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/02/26/ag_bill_barr_progressives_want_to_convert_us_into_25-year-olds_living_in_the_governments_basement.html

 

 America doesn't want radical socialism it never did and never will ,grassroots organizations preaching perpetual bliss, rubbish ! while fighting and arguing how the leaders will sanction their rations. Human nature  always  shows its ugly selfish instincts. 

 Before the USA "The origins of Thanksgiving Day celebration provide some very important economic lessons about the original dismal failure of Bernie Sanders-style socialism, collectivism, and common property that resulted in starvation and death for the early Pilgrims, and the subsequent success of private property, the profit motive, and capitalism that led to the prosperity and abundance for the Pilgrims that we still celebrate today nearly 400 years later".  

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/thanksgiving-lessons-about-the-failures-of-socialism-and-the-success-of-private-property-and-capitalism/

Edited February 27, 2020 by riclag

[sawadee1947]

1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

As always, the claim that other people can't read, and that communists are only theoretical. I know a communist when I see one. Its anyone from an organization that calls each other Comrade. Communists ALWAYS hide who they are. 

You're really funny. ????

[earlinclaifornia]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

So you have no problem with sanders being labeled as a   communist.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-carville-fires-back-at-communist-bernie-sanders-proudly-calls-himself-a-hack

 

 

So both you and walkingorders believe he is communist. Please defing why you choose that term over his self proclaimed Democratis socialist?

[riclag]

8 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

So both you and walkingorders believe he is communist. Please defing why you choose that term over his self proclaimed Democratis socialist?

James carvel  dem strategist

https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-carville-fires-back-at-communist-bernie-sanders-proudly-calls-himself-a-hack

[GinBoy2]

The simple answer is 'No'

 

Even if a Joe Biden is the candidate, the Trump campaign will label him as a Socialist, a word that is an anathema to many Americans.

 

So, a self declared 'Socialist' makes that job 100% easier.

 

So tell me how in the real world does this self declared 'Socialist' win over moderate Republicans and swing voters?

 

And let's get real, there are probably only about 15 States in play, the rest are are foregone conclusion.

 

The Democrats seem to have the ability to snatch defeat in the face of success. And this is one of those times.

 

Oh and as one last point. The young 'Bernie Bros' and getting out the youth vote in general which is often touted as Bernie's path to success.

 

Wanna know the peak of the youth vote in the past 50 years?

 

Those Studs, Michael Dukakis and George HW Bush. So Good Luck with that strategy

[WalkingOrders]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

He was talking about the Tennessee Valley Authority which is owned by the federal government and You still can’t differentiate between socialist, communist and Marxist 

The terms are all interchangable as far as I am concerned and I could care less what you think. I oppose all who in little beret wearing groups call each other comrade. Just like that!

[Berkshire]

9 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

The simple answer is 'No'

 

Even if a Joe Biden is the candidate, the Trump campaign will label him as a Socialist, a word that is an anathema to many Americans.

 

So, a self declared 'Socialist' makes that job 100% easier.

 

So tell me how in the real world does this self declared 'Socialist' win over moderate Republicans and swing voters?

 

And let's get real, there are probably only about 15 States in play, the rest are are foregone conclusion.

 

The Democrats seem to have the ability to snatch defeat in the face of success. And this is one of those times.

Regarding your last sentence, I was thinking the same thing.  Bernie as the Dem nominee will not only be a gift to Trump, but it will probably take down the entire Democratic Party.  Just when the Republican Party itself was basically dying (replaced by the Trump Party). 

 

What's crazy is that all this doom and gloom is the result of just 3 primaries in 3 tiny states.  And the media wants to anoint Bernie already. 

 

I believe Biden will win big in South Carolina.  Joe B. will restore a bit of sanity in the Democratic Party. 

[WalkingOrders]

36 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

So both you and walkingorders believe he is communist. Please defing why you choose that term over his self proclaimed Democratis socialist?

Because he has a lifetime of apologizing for totalitarian regimes, while at the same time claiming he opposes them? You remember the cold war right? AND he currently calls for nationalizing the entire US energy sector. No communist can be President. And communists like to hide out in other parties. Obviously CPUSA has no path to power  nor DSA.

Edited February 27, 2020 by WalkingOrders
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[WalkingOrders]

2 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Regarding your last sentence, I was thinking the same thing.  Bernie as the Dem nominee will not only be a gift to Trump, but it will probably take down the entire Democratic Party.  Just when the Republican Party itself was basically dying (replaced by the Trump Party). 

 

What's crazy is that all this doom and gloom is the result of just 3 primaries in 3 tiny states.  And the media wants to anoint Bernie already. 

 

I believe Biden will win big in South Carolina.  Joe B. will restore a bit of sanity in the Democratic Party. 

Joe Biden is a crook in the early stage of dimentia, and everyone knows it. Fit only to be locked up at home with an ankle bracelet, instead of a cell, I would give him that much mercy.

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Regarding your last sentence, I was thinking the same thing.  Bernie as the Dem nominee will not only be a gift to Trump, but it will probably take down the entire Democratic Party.  Just when the Republican Party itself was basically dying (replaced by the Trump Party). 

 

What's crazy is that all this doom and gloom is the result of just 3 primaries in 3 tiny states.  And the media wants to anoint Bernie already. 

 

I believe Biden will win big in South Carolina.  Joe B. will restore a bit of sanity in the Democratic Party. 

Biden will probably win in S.C. but winning big there? I really don't think so and then it's on to Super Tuesday where Bernie will probably do very well. Bernie's chances of having the most delegates on the first convention ballot really do look very good. It's not because the country wants him. The country doesn't want him! It's the nature of the primary system with a natural leftward bias because primary people are more activist than average and also too freaking many OTHER candidates that aren't Bernie! Now if, a big IF, there is a very quick winnowing soon, then I don't see this math changing before Super Tuesday and if Bernie does as well as expected then, it's almost game over except to come a close second and then he can realistically be dumped in a conflicted convention. I hope I'm wrong but I think we're stuck with the Bernie problem whether he's nominated or not. Because if he's not nominated even if he only has a slim lead going into the convention, the Bernie fans are pretty much the only democrats that are not at all reliable to go for any democrat that is nominated. They're already talking B.S. conspiracy theories. 

Edited February 27, 2020 by Jingthing

[riclag]

3 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Joe Biden is a crook in the early stage of dimentia, and everyone knows it. Fit only to be locked up at home with an ankle bracelet, instead of a cell, I would give him that much mercy.

It was the likes of biden and globalist that brought about the liberals boogieman

Edited February 27, 2020 by riclag