Child drowns at sea off Greece in first fatality after Turkey opens border

[OneMoreFarang]

51 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

The thing is, if you are skilled and from outside the EU and want to work in Germany you'll be refused. Me and others in my business are trying since years to open Germany for nurses from the Philippines. No way.

Maybe you will find this article interesting:

 

"Areas of the German economy experiencing shortages of skilled labour include IT, electronics engineering and, primarily, the health sector, where a rapidly ageing nation needs more doctors, pharmacists and care workers. The number of people aged over 80 in Germany is expected to rise by almost 50% between now and 2030.

Target countries the government believes to have a surplus of skilled workers with similar training standards and a “cultural proximity” to Germany include eastern European states such as Kosovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Ukraine, but also Mexico and the Philippines.

Under old rules, German employers that wanted to hire labour from outside the EU had to demonstrate that a worker’s skills were in short supply and that no local candidate was available. The new immigration act does away with such hurdles."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/02/germany-spain-scramble-reverse-the-flight-youth-eastern-europe

 

[Thongkorn]

 Life is so hard and dangerous where the came from, thats why they are looking for a better life, without the women and children left behind in that hard and dangerous place.

[metisdead]

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[simple1]

1 hour ago, JustAnotherHun said:

The thing is, if you are skilled and from outside the EU and want to work in Germany you'll be refused. Me and others in my business are trying since years to open Germany for nurses from the Philippines. No way.

Time to change career?

 

https://www.pengandpaper.com/2018/08/nurse-germany-triple-win-project.html

 

https://mattscradle.com/germany-hiring-filipino-nurses-salary/

[DannyCarlton]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Lots of statistics show that overall foreigners in Europe don't cost money. They "produce" money, pay taxes, etc.

But obviously some people don't like some foreigners - independent if they cost money or not.

And I think that is also the case in Thailand. Some people like foreigners and some not. And some only don't like foreigners with certain skin colors or from certain countries.

That's why I find it amusing that here are often people who live as foreigners in Thailand and who don't like foreigners back "home". Amazing!

Not strictly true. In the UK, lots of statisics to show that EU migrants do have a nety benefit to the economy. Pakistanis (economic migrants) and Syrian refugees not so much.

[AlexRich]

11 hours ago, henry15 said:

I don't see many women and children. Most are young men. Those cowards  abandon there wife's and children. They let other  young men fight their wars

Said like a true gammon ... well I, and everyone else, saw plenty of children on the news reels.

 

Dulcet Decorum Est ... the lie that feds to the plebs.

[JustAnotherHun]

2 hours ago, tifino said:

it is all about the incompatibility of Qualifications, between different countries at vastly different levels of advancement.

 

A Dr arrives in a boat, and can now only work in menial level tasks... or a taxi driver

You mean the hundereds of thousands doctors that cannot read or write? In Germany we have plenty of true doctors of many countries, especially from Iran. They are skilled, willing to integrate themselves and highly welcome.

But I seriously doubt the stone throwing offenders at the greek borders are of any use for european countries.

[tifino]

3 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

You mean the hundereds of thousands doctors that cannot read or write? In Germany we have plenty of true doctors of many countries, especially from Iran. They are skilled, willing to integrate themselves and highly welcome.

But I seriously doubt the stone throwing offenders at the greek borders are of any use for european countries.

• good to hear at least Germany accepts foreign qualifications at face value! 

 

[JustAnotherHun]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Maybe you will find this article interesting:

 

"Areas of the German economy experiencing shortages of skilled labour include IT, electronics engineering and, primarily, the health sector, where a rapidly ageing nation needs more doctors, pharmacists and care workers. The number of people aged over 80 in Germany is expected to rise by almost 50% between now and 2030.

Target countries the government believes to have a surplus of skilled workers with similar training standards and a “cultural proximity” to Germany include eastern European states such as Kosovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Ukraine, but also Mexico and the Philippines.

 

I know about the changes because I was in an advising  commission years ago which made suggestions to the subject (specivicly for medical professions) to the bavarian government. 

The now made changes come too late and are a first step but they are not going far enough.

 

And by the way:

For me as  - in some morons eyes - a "far right" or "nazi"  it is not important where people come from, what their color of skin or religion is - as long as they are skilled, playing by the rules and willing to accept our culture and lifestyle.

Edited March 3, 2020 by JustAnotherHun

[JustAnotherHun]

57 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

Said like a true gammon ... well I, and everyone else, saw plenty of children on the news reels.

 

Dulcet Decorum Est ... the lie that feds to the plebs.

Even the state run German TV had to confess that they painted a wrong picture in 2015 when they showed mostly crying kids and women while more than 70% of the "refugees" were young, strong men.

[AlexRich]

7 hours ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Even the state run German TV had to confess that they painted a wrong picture in 2015 when they showed mostly crying kids and women while more than 70% of the "refugees" were young, strong men.

 

I don't doubt it. There are plenty of children on the news with their families. My main point was about young men fighting pointless wars ... sent by people who don't put themselves in harms way. The guy I replied to seemed to think that's what they should be doing instead of seeking a better life abroad. I'm not sure I blame young people for wanting to get away from all that ... being used by tyrants.

[ivor bigun]

14 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Said like a true gammon ... well I, and everyone else, saw plenty of children on the news reels.

 

Dulcet Decorum Est ... the lie that feds to the plebs.

So did i ,but it took hours of searching to find them amongst the 99% of males that were there,then they had the photo shoot.

[baansgr]

On 3/3/2020 at 6:20 AM, twocatsmac said:

Very sad that the people traffickers are at it with the inflatables already so early in the year. 

Its incredible the EU and governments concerned still haven’t arrived with a migrant solution, will it never end?

Be prepared for weekly news of capsized dinghies and children used as pawns as the traffickers cash in again.

But the migrants are in Turkey...its really up to the Turks to have a solution.....other than let them into Greece...Europe shouldn't have any asylum seekers full stop....plenty of safe countries between Europe and the initial countries they come from

[metisdead]

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[simple1]

2 hours ago, baansgr said:

Europe shouldn't have any asylum seekers full stop....plenty of safe countries between Europe and the initial countries they come from

Such as? Which countries do you have in mind which grant asylum seekers / refugees protection enacted by law and enforced? 

[JustAnotherHun]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Such as? Which countries do you have in mind which grant asylum seekers / refugees protection enacted by law and enforced? 

Is it Europe's problem if Saudi Arabia and the rich Gulf states don't grant protection to their islamic brothers?

Edited March 4, 2020 by JustAnotherHun

[simple1]

1 hour ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Is it Europe's problem if Saudi Arabia and the rich Gulf states don't grant protection to their islamic brothers?

Did EU have this massive Muslim refugee influx prior to the coalition invasion of Iraq in 2003? Prior to 2003 EU wasn't it mainly asylum seekers from the Balkans. However, most of them were rejected as economic refugees. Of course prior was the bitter Algerian / French colonial war was also a factor. There were other conflicts, but not the same impact as Iraqi cluster<deleted>. On the subject of Saudi Arabia go to...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrians_in_Saudi_Arabia.

 

I assume you are capable of identifying other Islamic majority countries, excluding Turkey, who in total host millions of Muslim refugees.

Edited March 4, 2020 by simple1

[JustAnotherHun]

5 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Did EU have this massive refugee influx prior to the coalition invasion of Iraq in 2003?

DId it take 12 years for the migrants to reach European borders then?

 

What should the link you provided tell me?

 

I assume you are capable of identifying other Islamic majority countries, excluding Turkey, who in total host millions of Muslim refugees.

Jordania hosts many and - like Turkey - gets much financial help for that from Europe. But for sure not the crazy rich Gulf emirates. 

Germany alone took a million migrants in 2015. How many more should it be to be enough in the eyes of some hyper moralists and do-gooders?

 

[Saint Nick]

13 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

DId it take 12 years for the migrants to reach European borders then?

 

What should the link you provided tell me?

 

 

Jordania hosts many and - like Turkey - gets much financial help for that from Europe. But for sure not the crazy rich Gulf emirates. 

Germany alone took a million migrants in 2015. How many more should it be to be enough in the eyes of some hyper moralists and do-gooders?

 

...the operative word here being "Germany ALONE", since most other European countries just closed borders!

I know: according to you, Germany should have done the same!

I am glad, they didn't!

It is interesting, that a bunch of countries in the EU alaways claim their EU- membership, when it benifits them, but never when it is to their disadvantage.

If all EU- countries would have taken at least SOME refugees, the problem would not be a problem!

But I guess, just letting people die, because they are not "me", is just the better way!

[JustAnotherHun]

33 minutes ago, Saint Nick said:

It is interesting, that a bunch of countries in the EU alaways claim their EU- membership, when it benifits them, but never when it is to their disadvantage.

Why should other European countries pay the bill for "refugees" invited by the Merkel-regime? The EU is not some kind of 4th Reich.

The German government better had consulted their neighbours BEFORE they invented their open border policy instead of letting a million  migrants in an THEN demand them to take a share.

It's not up to the Germans to decide what others have to do.

 

Edited March 4, 2020 by JustAnotherHun

[AlexRich]

8 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

So did i ,but it took hours of searching to find them amongst the 99% of males that were there,then they had the photo shoot.

You didn’t look very hard ... I recall the two news programmes that were aired interviewing an Afghan with his family and an Iranian with his wife and sick baby. Not to mention the crying young girl having her eyes washed by her mother due the tear gas from Greece.

[JustAnotherHun]

11 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

You didn’t look very hard ... I recall the two news programmes that were aired interviewing an Afghan with his family and an Iranian with his wife and sick baby. Not to mention the crying young girl having her eyes washed by her mother due the tear gas from Greece.

Isn't it a bit disturbing that in TV reports they mostly interview and show crying kids and helpless women, not the vast majority of strong young men with stones in their hands?

And btw: If a kid gets hurt by teargas it's parents are to blame for not keeping it out of the center of a violent situation, where "refugees" attack greek forces. Or do you think the greek gas grenades were fired some km behind the "frontline" where kids would be save?

[Opl]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

Did EU have this massive Muslim refugee influx prior to the coalition invasion of Iraq in 2003? Prior to 2003 EU wasn't it mainly asylum seekers from the Balkans. However, most of them were rejected as economic refugees. Of course prior was the bitter Algerian / French colonial war was also a factor. There were other conflicts, but not the same impact as Iraqi cluster<deleted>. On the subject of Saudi Arabia go to...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrians_in_Saudi_Arabia.

 

I assume you are capable of identifying other Islamic majority countries, excluding Turkey, who in total host millions of Muslim refugees.

Europe has absolutely no lesson to receive regarding migrations, be it for legal / illegal economic migrants, asylum seekers / fake asylum seekers, etc...  Europe is since centuries a very sought after destination for people from all over the world.  Ask the Turkish diaspora who supports Erdogan. 

It's time for Europe to reevaluate asylum laws and address human trafficking issues, smuggling, etc, etc...  

Edited March 4, 2020 by Opl

[simple1]

3 hours ago, JustAnotherHun said:

DId it take 12 years for the migrants to reach European borders then?<SNIP>

 

You appear to know very little. The massive influx in 2015 of asylum seekers into the EU was due to the asylum seekers / refugees running out of saving after residing in Turkey for a number of years without legal access to work and very minimal  assistance from the State. There were warnings from UNHCR, but EU complacency meant the warnings from UNHCR were ignored. Greece was grossly unprepared (Merkel stepped in to try and assist Greece by waving the Dublin Regulations; the rest is history.

Edited March 4, 2020 by simple1

[simple1]

17 minutes ago, Opl said:

Europe has absolutely no lesson to receive regarding migrations, be it for legal / illegal economic migrants, asylum seekers / fake asylum seekers, etc...  Europe is since centuries a very sought after destination for people from all over the world.  Ask the Turkish diaspora who supports Erdogan. 

It's time for Europe to reevaluate asylum laws and address human trafficking issues, smuggling, etc, etc...  

Many EU countries abide by their international obligations / Rule of Law. As you mention up to those who have a democratic government to update their laws if the majority wish to do so. Unfortunately where there is a right of centre ruling presence and have rejected their previous legal obligations for asylum seekers / refugees, to date, it comes hand in hand with moving to authoritarianism e.g. Hungary. 

Edited March 4, 2020 by simple1

[Opl]

20 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Many EU countries abide by their international obligations / Rule of Law. As you mention up to those who have a democratic government to update their laws if the majority wish to do so. Unfortunately where there is a right of centre ruling presence and have rejected their previous legal obligations for asylum seekers / refugees, to date, it comes hand in hand with moving to authoritarianism e.g. Hungary. 

Sweden, Hungary.. countries with a population of 10M each should - according to you - accomodate migrants from overpopulated countries, endlessly ?   

[JustAnotherHun]

54 minutes ago, simple1 said:

You appear to know very little....

That's as sure as you are a fountain of wisdom ????

 

Just curious: Ever heared of the "Arab spring"? Of the Islamic state in Irak and Syria? That were the startpoints of the "refugee" flood in 2015, not the second irak war ages before. 

But it's alwys nice to take the blame on the west, isn't it?

 

According to Thai saying:

If the farang was not there, nothing would have happened.

Edited March 4, 2020 by JustAnotherHun

[JustAnotherHun]

20 minutes ago, Opl said:

Sweden, Hungary.. countries with a population of 10M each should - according to you - accomodate migrants from overpopulated countries, endlessly ?   

Especially Sweden, Denmark and Switzerland are well known for their right wing, xenophobic governments. And the earth is flat.

[simple1]

9 hours ago, Opl said:

Sweden, Hungary.. countries with a population of 10M each should - according to you - accomodate migrants from overpopulated countries, endlessly ?   

Misinformation, never said such a thing. What i did post was if the majority support further limitations on asylum seeker intake, then do so my democratic means, not by way of authoritarian diktat. 

[simple1]

9 hours ago, JustAnotherHun said:

That's as sure as you are a fountain of wisdom ????

 

Just curious: Ever heared of the "Arab spring"? Of the Islamic state in Irak and Syria? That were the startpoints of the "refugee" flood in 2015, not the second irak war ages before. 

But it's alwys nice to take the blame on the west, isn't it?

 

According to Thai saying:

If the farang was not there, nothing would have happened.

Keep up I previously referred to the Syrian Arab Spring in 2011 & Assad's extremely violent oppression of the protesters. However. IMO, US policy mistakes, such as disbanding the Iraqi army was the main contributor to the rise of IS.  Obviously Assad's actions didn't help with his release of Islamists from his prisons.

 

In 2011, months after the uprising against Assad began in Daraa and quickly started to destabilize the country, his regime released thousands of jihadists from Syria’s now infamous prisons. Using a cold and pragmatic calculus, Assad fomented chaos and terror to discredit the opposition and ensure that the West wouldn't intervene against him. 

 

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/MAGAZINE-iran-russia-and-isis-how-assad-won-in-syria-1.6462751

 

You may wish to refresh your memory on the cause of the huge increase of asylum seekers departing Turkey in 2015 i.e. insufficient support from within Turkey and the international community. Yes, the West has some ownership, going back to the breakup of the Ottoman Empire, to deny is ignoring historical facts.

 

No more courtesy responses from me on this matter, as you continually deny / deflect which has become boring.