'How did things end up like this?' America's newly unemployed grapple with coronavirus fallout

[LomSak27]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

You are supposed to say thank you when some one gives you money

It’s our taxes and it has to be payed for ..........

 

Forgetting about the recent tax cuts are you?! By that I mean Bush Jr and Trump. That is to help the job creators, create jobs.    Sorry

 

[Eric Loh]

Well the bubble finally burst. CD19 just happens to be the proverbial needle. Mountains of debt and ignoring the fiscal problems. Years of lies by the government that everything is honky dory like Larry Kudlow who kept talking up the economy and that the economy is “clicking on all cylinders”. Now all Americans especially the young and marginalized are all screwed by this administration. Trump has to go before things become better. 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

Americans tip. Like at a wedding banquet? $5000 for the servers to split. Its nothing for folks to tip 30% on a check if the server is good, especially if they have been servers before.

Americans tip because the base wages are so lousy no one could live on them.

[Nyezhov]

8 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Americans tip because the base wages are so lousy no one could live on them.

Do we need to make this another JATT (Just Another Tip Topic)?

[zydeco]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

Pastry chef Abigail Rubin, 30, lost her job this week and for the first time applied for unemployment benefits. Grappling with the rapid changes to American life, she asked: "How did things end up like this?"

Because of debt. The virus only popped the debt bubble. For 11 years the American economy thrived on cheap money, QE, corporate debt, and consumer debt. Nobody saved. Why? Because the Fed destroyed people's savings with low interest rates. Everytime there was a hiccup in the economy, the Fed and the government lowered rates, printed more money, and told people to go out and "Buy!" So they did. And put it all on their credit cards at 20 percent interest rates. And corporations did the same. Took out loans and used the money to buy back their own shares to artificially inflate their stock price and get bigger executive bonuses. No investment in R&D. No new products. Otherwise, Boeing, for example, would have designed a new passenger jet from scratch, instead of going the cheap route and reworking the 737 into that Frankenstein's monster, the 737 MAX. The economy became financialized. And built on debt. $23.5 trillion in US debt, and Trump and Congress have just tacked on around another $8 trillion in the past four days. The rest of the world did the same thing. Over $250 trillion in global debt. Sorry, Abigail, the US government, the global bureaucrats, the bankers, and the CEOs just consider you roadkill on the way to lining their pockets.

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, Nyezhov said:

Do we need to make this another JATT (Just Another Tip Topic)?

Long time ago ( 1986 ), but when I was in Atlantic City the chambermaid that cleaned my hotel room was making 75 cents an hour. Face it, without tips most service people in America would be slave labor.

Each country is different. Thais don't tip. Australia has a minimum wage ( from memory ) about $19 an hour. Tips are usually 10% in Oz, nothing if the service is bad.

I tip here, definitely. I'd feel guilty if I didn't, given earnings here. However, paying someone 30% in tips to ensure they don't spit in your food or screw you around the next time they see you sounds like a fairly cockeyed system to me.

[lannarebirth]

2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Your taxes? How much did you PAY over the past few years? Or he, let me put it another way, has your accountant ever smiled and given you a nickle and dimed out tax bill for $29,000?

 

 

I wish!

[lannarebirth]

2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

I was put on this earth to be handsome and the fount of all wisdom except simple multiplication and string theory. ????

Of those things you mention, I believe simple multiplication to be true.

[Nyezhov]

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Long time ago ( 1986 ), but when I was in Atlantic City the chambermaid that cleaned my hotel room was making 75 cents an hour. Face it, without tips most service people in America would be slave labor.

Each country is different. Thais don't tip. Australia has a minimum wage ( from memory ) about $19 an hour. Tips are usually 10% in Oz, nothing if the service is bad.

I tip here, definitely. I'd feel guilty if I didn't, given earnings here. However, paying someone 30% in tips to ensure they don't spit in your food or screw you around the next time they see you sounds like a fairly cockeyed system to me.

Like I said, just another tip topic LOL.

[lannarebirth]

2 hours ago, scorecard said:

I saw a short vid yesterday, I think it was from NBC news or similar, 2 American girls I guess about 19 - 21 years old complaining about the virus etc., both angrily saying 'not fair. this will ,

disrupt my gap year which I'm entitled to'.  

 

If this isn't a gap year I'm not sure what is. Let's hope it isn't any longer than that.

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, Nyezhov said:

Like I said, just another tip topic LOL.

So with that scintillating intellect of yours at work, what would your solution be to the current employment malaise in the USA? Hint: We called it the susso.

[Nyezhov]

Just now, lannarebirth said:

Of those things you mention, I believe simple multiplication to be true.

Your belief does not matter. What matters is that you chose to respond. That means I am in your head, like a nibbling festering loathesome parasite, like in that Star Trek Episode (Wrath of Khan) where somebody gets an an an an alien slimy cockroach in their ear where it busily burrows. Thats me.

 

On the other hand, you arent on my ignore list yet so there is still hope for you. Imagine how obsessed folks are with my greatness when they are on my Ignore List and I never respond to them, yet they still chirp at me like baby seagulls seeking reguritated fish or maybe dumpster big macs. Im really burrowed in their heads with my alien ovipositor hahahahahaha.....

 

Flee now while you still can. Two weeks of porn should wash me out of your mind.

[Nyezhov]

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

So with that scintillating intellect of yours at work, what would your solution be to the current employment malaise in the USA? Hint: We called it the susso.

There working on the dole right now. There is even going to be a Giro day for me. Plus the quiet streets means that hubcaps are more readily available.

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

There working on the dole right now. There is even going to be a Giro day for me. Plus the quiet streets means that hubcaps are more readily available.

Just think, if Trump plays his cards right he could get his Wall finished.

You're getting a Giro? How did a obscenely wealthy bloated plutocrat like you manage that?

Edited March 20, 2020 by Lacessit

[lannarebirth]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The worst hit are service sector and gig-economy, and mostly young people but it’s moving further up the economy.

 

$1000 is not going to buy their vote.

 

That is true, but if they read the papers they might wonder why the other side is trying to block this meager initiative. People gotta eat.

[Somtamnication]

When you have the far right media perpetuation a false narrative and of the wall deep state warnings, this happens. Wake up, merkins!

[Logosone]

3 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

You are supposed to say thank you when some one gives you money

 

Not when they give you back the money that was yours in the first place.

 

Governments giving people money now is not a 'handout', it is a return of the tax money the state took from those people.

 

I don't know about you, but I've paid millions in tax. Some years I was working until end of June, all of six months just for the government. Only the remaining months did I get to keep.

 

So the governments now try to make themselves look as the generous saviours? Wrong, they took the money are just giving a small share back.

 

[Lacessit]

Just now, Logosone said:

 

Not when they give you back the money that was yours in the first place.

 

Governments giving people money now is not a 'handout', it is a return of the tax money the state took from those people.

 

I don't know about you, but I've paid millions in tax. Some years I was working until end of June, all of six months just for the government. Only the remaining months did I get to keep.

 

So the governments now try to make themselves look as the generous saviours? Wrong, they took the money are just giving a small share back.

 

I forget who it was said the art of taxation is like plucking a goose for the maximum amount of feathers, accompanied by the minimum of hissing.

[lannarebirth]

2 minutes ago, Somtamnication said:

When you have the far right media perpetuation a false narrative and of the wall deep state warnings, this happens. Wake up, merkins!

Far right media, far left media, same corporate interests that just happened to identify a group of people they could peddle <deleted> to to sell ads to.  While everybody's fighting with each other the looting of the Treasury continues unabated and has made for a very unresiliant society.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

$500 a day? I met a banquet server here on vacation that works 6 months a year and makes $60K. 

 

If you're talking in the U.S., which is what the OP article is about, I don't think your banquet server is going to be doing a lot of business these days or for the coming future.

[riclag]

How did things end up like this ! First off, its unprecedented!

 

Congress and Trump are doing their best,in my estimation , with the latter using every tool in the shed ,as would any other POTUS  !

 

The MSM on the other hand are another story ! The corporate owners ,who are the media, just can't get around anything that begins with T and ends with P!

 

 

Edited March 20, 2020 by riclag

[riclag]

4 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

You are supposed to say thank you when some one gives you money

My son who lives in bakersfield said that  some people he talks too, don't believe  it will make a difference ,1k ! He said S--t I'll take it!

That 1k can be invested in those low hanging stocks !

Edited March 20, 2020 by riclag

[bkk6060]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Australia has a minimum wage ( from memory ) about $19 an hour.

And their taxes and cost of living are much higher then the US. High prices, inflated with high taxes...

 

Oh, and please don't forget the 120,000 or so homeless people.

 

 

Edited March 20, 2020 by bkk6060

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts have been removed. 

[Chomper Higgot]

All of a sudden starting your working life serving in a bar is a background that gives a politician an audience of shared experiences with people who have a reason to vote for change.

[candide]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

How did things end up like this ! First off, its unprecedented!

 

Congress and Trump are doing their best,in my estimation , with the latter using every tool in the shed ,as would any other POTUS  !

 

The MSM on the other hand are another story ! The corporate owners ,who are the media, just can't get around anything that begins with T and ends with P!

 

 

The MSM have been telling the truth while Trump was talking B.S.. Trump and supporters like you were claiming in unison that the pandemic was a Dem panic hoax and were systematically downplaying it.

Edited March 20, 2020 by candide

[DoctorG]

5 hours ago, Tug said:

No I got 9k less back on my return same earnings from the year before like I said I always make sure they owe me and naaa just an old construction diver not a 1 percenter by a long shot lol

People who do not understand tax often make this mistake. Just because you got a smaller return does not mean that you paid more tax.

I would really be surprised if you actually paid more tax. Instead of looking at the return amount you need to compare how much tax you actually paid year on year, if the income was comparable. 

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed. 

[Benmart]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Talk to people working service jobs, very many have two sometimes three part time jobs.

 

If they have spare time they work, they want work and the dignity of earning their own money.

 

Trump’s largesse with the public purse is way short of what millions of Americans want.

 

He ruins everything he touches.

Everything? I am no fan of his, but I haven't a clue as to "everything" he or anyone else does or touches. Such a generalized statement dilutes your post.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Benmart
Add a word

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Benmart said:

Everything? I am no fan of his, but I haven't a clue as to "everything" he or anyone else does or touches. Such a generalized statement dilutes your post.

Aw shucks.

Almost everything.