Trump coronavirus guidance on keeping gun stores open draws criticism

[Cory1848]

9 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Nothing keeps bad people more honest than a lot of good guys with guns.

Goes to show how effective the NRA is at getting people to parrot back its slogans. In reality, this means "everybody and his drunk uncle with a gun," but hey, I'm sure Uncle Bob is a "good guy" who means well even as he sprays the air full of bullets. Hurray for the USA!

[Sujo]

7 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

The world is infested with scumbags, even in the USA. 

The 2nd amendment has nithing to do with your guns defending against scumbags. The right to have a gun is to defend against the federal army.

 

Perhaps start voting for presidents that dont scare you into needing guns to repel the military from your door.

[Sujo]

5 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Thats cool. In the situation of the efficacy of firearms to the concept of individual freedom, Ill reap on my feet, not on my knees. YMMV.

Im not inclined to take advice from anyone that spends their days stoned.

[Lacessit]

8 hours ago, tgw said:

Have you ever stayed in the continental USA for any extended period of time?

 

I have, and while I don't feel the need for a gun in Germany and Switzerland, I think I would feel better with one if I was living in some areas of the US.

 

Besides, "personal security" is one of the essential needs according to Maslow's theory.

 

Regarding the situation in Thailand, I fully expect a rise in crimes, violent crimes and suicides due to the situation of the tourism, hospitality and sex industry. Many drug addicts will need to finance their next trip.

Without dedicated security deterring burglars, standalone houses and street /shophouses are prime targets.

I've travelled extensively in the USA during my working life. Lost count of the number of times I visited there, attending conferences and as a consultant. Between 1983 and 2004.

At the time, I was a gun owner in Australia. Usually happy with a couple of firearms for shooting trips,  the maximum I got to own at one time was four.

So I'm in a car with the sales manager of a chemical firm I am visiting, driving through Philadelphia. Conversation turns to guns. He has 23 guns in his suburban house. I'm gobsmacked, and ask him why he needs so many. He responds he needs them in case the Commies invade. He is quite serious.

One of the big misconceptions Americans have about Australia is gun ownership. They think it is banned. It's not. It is only firearms that are expressly designed for the mass slaughter of people that are banned in Australia.

Strangely enough, in all my visits to America, the only time I saw firearms openly on display was a gun show in Dallas. And police, of course. Never saw a private citizen with a gun.

It's difficult to convince me a virus represents a threat to the order of society that necessitates keeping gun stores open as an essential service. Unless that society is extremely insecure to begin with. Gun store owners in Australia are wanting to sue the government for ordering them to close, they will be laughed out of court.

I like most Americans I have met, and I had some great experiences there. However, on the subject of gun ownership, IMO Americans are a little bit nuts.

[JulesMad]

10 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Nothing keeps bad people more honest than a lot of good guys with guns

What about all the bad guys with guns?
A good guy with a gun is still a guy with a gun... Who decides about good and/or bad? Matter of perspective...
 

[wwest5829]

12 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Yep. Great job in acknowledging the 2nd Am and its vital role in keeping the US safe. The number of folks out buying guns  and restocking illustrates how the public feels about their fundamental Right To Keep and Bear Arms

Ha! Right. Gun ownership is essential to fighting the coronavirus. The type of argument that makes the USA a laughing stock around the globe. We both know it is motivated by fear of others taking what we have in time of crisis. Ha! The "Purge" is coming to get you ... be afraid, be very afraid ...

[Rimmer]

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[bristolboy]

6 hours ago, woogoo said:

I always found that argument about muskets funny. The founding fathers were smart enough to defeat the British Empire and start a country nearly from scratch. But, apparently, they were too stupid to foresee technological advances in weaponry. When the founding fathers drafted the Bill of Rights there's a reason they put that particular amendment at number 2.

Can you give us examples of what they foresaw? Maybe something from the works of Thomas Jefferson, himself a prolific inventor? Or George Washington, the commander of the colonies' forces?  Do you seriously mean that if they didn't foresaw the huge technological advances in weaponry then the must have been stupid? Because that was something they were interested focused on? 

Edited March 31, 2020 by bristolboy

[Gandtee]

12 hours ago, graemeaylward said:

Guns are weapons of war and not needed by anyone.  The argument about self-defence is totally invalid and makes people more likely to shoot first, ask questions afterwards.  This herd mentality needs to be stopped!  "he's got one so I must have one!" is a recipe for disaster.  Only lawless societies consider guns a necessity!  They are an abomination and should be banned!  Most civilised countries have strict laws which prevent the average citizen from possessing firearms!  

 

You are referring to civilised countries????

[Cryingdick]

Might be a good time to buy some guns. With people being out of work one of the first things they pawn is their guns, gold and watches. Thinking of maybe something collectible and antique and maybe one for self defense. One for business and one for pleasure.

 

 

[mrfill]

17 hours ago, sungod said:

 

Yep, we went to the UK last summer, my wife was convinced there was a similar law in place with regards to dog ownership.

Slight difference though..

Deaths by dogs UK 1981 - 2015 = 78

Deaths by guns US 2019 = 39052

[Damrongsak]

_{Is the kid in the stroller is packing heat and Dad checking the high-capacity spare magazine?}

 

I'm surprised at the rush to buy firearms/ammo, considering it's not a ban but a temporary measure.  Perhaps many in the line are younger buyers who recently came of age and just hadn't gotten around to it?  What with all the proposed regulations and the Clinton/Obama administrations, many have stocked up over the years.  Obama was a great boost to firearm sales.  Sure, some folks shoot a lot for recreation and get low on some ammo, or had a newish firearm and hadn't yet gotten a good supply of various ammo types yet.

 

As for me, I'll keep my 24 or so firearms acquired over the last 25 years or so.  I have a couple hundred pounds of ammo that should suffice for a skirmish or two. 

[Cryingdick]

14 minutes ago, Damrongsak said:

_{Is the kid in the stroller is packing heat and Dad checking the high-capacity spare magazine?}

 

I'm surprised at the rush to buy firearms/ammo, considering it's not a ban but a temporary measure.  Perhaps many in the line are younger buyers who recently came of age and just hadn't gotten around to it?  What with all the proposed regulations and the Clinton/Obama administrations, many have stocked up over the years.  Obama was a great boost to firearm sales.  Sure, some folks shoot a lot for recreation and get low on some ammo, or had a newish firearm and hadn't yet gotten a good supply of various ammo types yet.

 

As for me, I'll keep my 24 or so firearms acquired over the last 25 years or so.  I have a couple hundred pounds of ammo that should suffice for a skirmish or two. 

 

Get yourself a reloader kit. 

[Damrongsak]

31 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Get yourself a reloader kit. 

Unfortunately, none of my hand grenades or rocket-propelled grenades are re-loadable.  (Cheap Chinese and Russian military surplus.)

 

My son is putting together a nice reloading bench.  Dillon 550B progressive and a Lyman orange crush press, both of which he got for free.  He made the base for the Lyman (he's a machinist).

 

[riclag]

12 hours ago, DoctorG said:

Reuters doing their usual I see.

There are many rural and city democrats who are gun owners and probably NRA or GOA members, including Democrat lawmakers.

"Gun owners have long been seen as a solidly Republican voting bloc, but there are millions of Democrats who own firearms, too".

"An estimated 23 percent of Democrats nationally lived in households with guns in 2018, according to the General Social Survey, which is conducted by NORC at the University of Chicago. And roughly 20 percent of gun owners — about 12 million people — identify as liberal, according to results from survey between 2014 and 2018...

https://wgme.com/news/nation-world/liberal-gun-owners-face-dilemma-in-2020-field-03-02-2020

And their not rednecks!

[bendejo]

4 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

New rumour,  Trump is a major shareholder of the NRA.  Or how about  Trump

is financed by the NRA.  Both just rumours I am putting out there.

There are no shares of the NRA.  Do they put money in places (like PACs) to support him and others who support gun ownership?  No question there. I would not be surprised at all if somehow they were channeling actual cash to him through the conservative support apparatus and his family members. 

The poobahs of the NRA got caught digging into the trough of donations, but that impending scandal seems to have fallen to the wayside; I guess it has something to do with having powerful connections. 

DT manages to get his beak wet (either politically, financially, with television ratings or anything else that assures him that he is a great man) in everything he signs off on.  Those who do not give him what he wants are denounced.

 

Jump to 40 seconds into this clip (I used the Fox clip so the DT loyalists won't make accusations of fake news)

 

 

 

[Kleepanna]

16 hours ago, Basil B said:

Predictable...

 

He would close hospitals before he would close gun shops.

 

Though them queuing do not seem to have got the message about social distancing, they are playing Russian Roulette for real. 

Actually that photo was taken after the sandy hook school shooting as is most of the pictures showing long ques at gun stores. Im in America the ques if any are no where that long they get a number and go wait in the car until its their turn or order online for pickup pay at the door in most places.  The media just wont get the level of views and clicks if they showed the truth.

[stevenl]

12 minutes ago, Kleepanna said:

Actually that photo was taken after the sandy hook school shooting as is most of the pictures showing long ques at gun stores. Im in America the ques if any are no where that long they get a number and go wait in the car until its their turn or order online for pickup pay at the door in most places.  The media just wont get the level of views and clicks if they showed the truth.

Actually no, that photo was taken on the 15th of march.

Despicable attempt at hiding the truth from you.

[metisdead]

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• just rumours I am putting out there.

 

Rumor mongering is not welcome here during this pandemic or any other time:

 

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[rvaviator]

15 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I think the Founding Fathers were not only very wise but very far sighted. If the state has access to increased technology and advanced weapons, then so must the citizens for whom elected officials serve. 

 

Or, like some posters on here, you could subscribe to the view that governments, especially those on the left, well on the left, can be trusted to provide for all their citizen's needs and cares. 

 

Personally, I'll stick with the FF's and keep on being jealous of the rights enjoyed by my American cousins. 

 

Off topic: btw, notice that after gaining it's liberty, the USA, under the guidance of the founding father's and citizens became the greatest country in the world. Now, what happened to all those communist and socialist people's republics and their gulags??

Just look back in history ... No nation ever did stay top dog forever ..... Why should it be different this time I wonder...

 

Maybe one of them 'communist countries' you are talking about may one day ...... Well we will see ...  

[sungod]

5 hours ago, mrfill said:

Slight difference though..

Deaths by dogs UK 1981 - 2015 = 78

Deaths by guns US 2019 = 39052

Sorry, was not clear in my OP. The poster said make gun ownership mandatory, I replied my wife thought dog ownership was already mandatory in the UK. (Based on the fact she saw everyone has one and they are allowed everywhere. ) I must use the smiley face more often ????

 

Didn't mention anything about deaths.

 

BTW, I still enjoy a shoot when the opportunity arises, and I own dogs ????

Edited March 31, 2020 by sungod

[mtls2005]

~ 2/3 of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. are suicides. 1/2 of all suicides are by firearm.

 

~ 23,000 per year, including ~ 1,000 children and teens.

 

Rate among veterans is about 1.5x.

 

~ 500 per year are "accidental".

 

 

So maybe one gun is enough for most?

 

 

[Nyezhov]

1 hour ago, mtls2005 said:

~ 2/3 of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. are suicides. 1/2 of all suicides are by firearm.

 

~ 23,000 per year, including ~ 1,000 children and teens.

 

Rate among veterans is about 1.5x.

 

~ 500 per year are "accidental".

 

 

So maybe one gun is enough for most?

 

 

Citing suicide stats are meaningless

[jingjai9]

Even if Trump did not receive contributions from the NRA, many of his followers do contribute to the NRA. He knows how they feel about guns.

 

[Nyezhov]

14 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

Goes to show how effective the NRA is at getting people to parrot back its slogans.

Shows how effective the truth is.

 

14 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

In reality, this means "everybody and his drunk uncle with a gun," but hey, I'm sure Uncle Bob is a "good guy" who means well even as he sprays the air full of bullets.

Statistically, that doesnt happen very often.

 

8 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

Might be a good time to buy some guns. With people being out of work one of the first things they pawn is their guns, gold and watches. Thinking of maybe something collectible and antique and maybe one for self defense. One for business and one for pleasure.

 

 

Do double duty. Get a SIG 210. You probably would need to pony up 3K. Ifyou want me tofind one for you on the net I will, then it will of course get shipped to your dealer for the necessary paperwork.

[simple1]

48 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

Prove what? That Leftist media manipulate Trumps speeches to alter the context? Have you been living under a rock, or do you not read anything but the echo chambers? There are so many examples.

ps: what you think of me is of no concern to me.

Trump's speeches are available in text format. You can prove your point by highlighting media reporting  has altered the context of a trump speech. Look forward to you posting a few examples...

[mtls2005]

14 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

It is said

 

"People are telling me..."

 

"Everyone says..."

 

15 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

Hence the term echo-chamber.

Yes, definitely just a left wing phenomenon.

 

Except when Judge Jeannine is speaking into her empty wine-box?

 

 

[DoctorG]

58 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Trump's speeches are available in text format. You can prove your point by highlighting media reporting  has altered the context of a trump speech. Look forward to you posting a few examples...

Forgot about the coronavirus hoax one, and Biden ad for a bonus (although not media-related).

 

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/35228-post-writer-admits-trump-didn-t-call-chinese-virus-a-hoax-biden-ad-gets-four-pinocchios

 

[DoctorG]

30 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

"People are telling me..."

 

"Everyone says..."

 

Yes, definitely just a left wing phenomenon.

 

Except when Judge Jeannine is speaking into her empty wine-box?

 

 

I don't watch Jeannine but I do read/watch left and right media.

Please do not ascribe your quotations above to me.

I am going to find that report about the journalists and will certainly notify you about it when I do.

 

[jvs]

The arms race in the US is like the cold war,it is fed by fear.

People with 25 guns to protect themselves from the Federal government?

And they think they are smart?

It will only take one drone strike and the government will come and kick your

gun from your (not cold hands)charred body,if they can be bothered to come look for it.