Daughter back from abroad infects mum who is now seriously ill in ICU

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Daughter back from abroad infects mum who is now seriously ill in ICU

 

Picture: Sanook

 

Sanook published a story as a warning for all people about proper quarantining. 

 

A woman had returned from abroad but freely mixed with her mother because she had no symptoms. 

 

This all changed when she came down with cold symptoms and realised too late she had infected her own mother. 

 

The story was on Facebook on the page of Dr Opass Putcharoen who is on the frontline at Chulalongkorn Hospital. 

 

The doctor said this showed that Covid-19 was not like SARS. 

 

The disease could very easily be passed on by individuals showing no symptoms. Dr Opass advised strict quarantining measures for 14 days. 

 

The mother in ICU was fine before her daughter came home. 

 

Now she has a very serious case of respiratory disease caused by the virus given to her by her child.

 

Source: Sanook

 

 

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[jimmjam]

Was this one of the people who wouldnt go into the quarantine at bkk the other day?

Its highly unlikely a lesson will be learned from this.

[bestie]

Who needs to quarantine let's go to the immigration.

[realfunster]

5 minutes ago, jimmjam said:

Was this one of the people who wouldnt go into the quarantine at bkk the other day?

Its highly unlikely a lesson will be learned from this.

 

Given coronavirus' incubation period, it is very unlikely that this person returned on Friday night, infected her mother and managed to put her in ICU by Tuesday morning.

 

Overall, people in Bangkok seem to be following reasonable social distancing when out & about but it seems to rapidly evaporate when with family & friends.  

[jimmjam]

Just now, realfunster said:

 

Given coronavirus' incubation period, it is very unlikely that this person returned on Friday night, infected her mother and managed to put her in ICU by Tuesday morning.

 

Overall, people in Bangkok seem to be following reasonable social distancing when out & about but it seems to rapidly evaporate when with family & friends.  

True but new reports have given the incubation period anywhere from 2 to 30 days.

[kevin612]

Quarantine is very important, don’t bring the virus to your family and friends.

[Mavideol]

4 minutes ago, kevin612 said:

Quarantine is very important, don’t bring the virus to your family and friends.

agree and the ones that run away from the airport to avoid quarantine should turn themselves in ASAP.... who knows how many they already infected, relatives and/or general public

[UbonThani]

Daughter is a low IQ twit

You cant go near old people for 14 days plus

[Walter Travolta]

35 minutes ago, jimmjam said:

Was this one of the people who wouldnt go into the quarantine at bkk the other day?

Its highly unlikely a lesson will be learned from this.

The flights shouldnt have even been allowed in in the first place

[Misterwhisper]

Alas, a lot of people grossly misunderstand what "self-quarantine" actually entails. It's not just about staying at home away from public life, but about isolating yourself from ALL your family members as well. It's hard enough for westerners, but I imagine it must be a practical impossibility for Thai people, whose entire lives revolve around social contact within the extended family unit. Additionally, many low and middle income earners reside in rather small apartments and condominiums that simply do not have the space luxury of sequestering away a possibly infected family member for any period of time.  

[holy cow cm]

Wow. Can you imagine what the daughter will feel like if her mother passes away. I couldn't live with myself. 

[Dogmatix]

 

1 hour ago, jimmjam said:

Was this one of the people who wouldnt go into the quarantine at bkk the other day?

Its highly unlikely a lesson will be learned from this.

That story was propaganda. People in that group and other quarantined groups have posted to clarify what happened.  The government rounded up the passengers who had not be warned about the quarantine and herded them to the airport fire station where they were forced to sit on plastic chairs outside for hours with nothing to end but some Euro cakes and McChicken nuggets which were not enough to go around. No one would answer their questions about where they were going or when they would set off. Those who were taken the overcrowded barracks at the Sattahip naval base were made to wait 11 hours before they got in the bus and were not allowed off the bus to buy food or use the toilets at the service station on the way when the drivers got out to relileve and refresh themselves. The passengers freed themselves from the bus but the 7/11 staff were told not to serve them, even they had all wandered around the shop filling baskets already.  Then there was a stand off as the passengers refused to get back on the bus until they could buy some food.  The escort called the local cops who threatened them until they got back on the bus.

 

The group that got away were similarly treated for 5 or 6 hours till late at night.   They got into a stand off with those that were guarding them at the airport.  Eventually the officer in charge cracked and allowed them to leave and self isolate at home. 

 

 

[Dogmatix]

Now she has a very serious case of respiratory disease caused by the virus given to her by her child.

 

I read about some British army doctors who performed autopsies on soldiers who died of Spanish Flu in the First World War. They were astonished by the total destruction of the soldiers' lungs caused by the pneumonia brought on by the virus, which we now know was mainly bacterial pneumonia, a secondary infection and a complication of the Spanish Flu. The doctors said that the patients lungs were as bad as the lungs they had seen of soldiers killed by poison gas attacks in the trenches.  

 

I am guessing that COVID can cause a similar type of lung damage. In the doctor's Facebook post this is taken from, he said that he had to intubate the mother quite soon after she was admitted.  So she is in a very dangerous situation now which is very sad. The doctor posted because he wanted to warn people that, unlike SARS, COVID is being spread by asymptomatic and presymptomatic cases.

Edited April 7, 2020 by Dogmatix

[scorecard]

Another good example of why compulsory 14 days quarantine (not at home) is so important.

Edited April 7, 2020 by scorecard

[Dogmatix]

3 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Another good example of why compulsory 14 days quarantine (not at home) is so important.

Yes. And some experts in Europe and China are saying 20 days' quarantine is needed for this virus. In China they had a number of patients who relapsed and even died after being discharged from hospitals following negative tests.  It looks more like the virus subsided for a bit or the tests were inaccurate, and then flared up again rather than reinfections. 

 

For people who live in small apartments with family, self isolating is more of a challenge than for the wealthy who have separate wings or guest houses they can isolate family members in.  In Wuhan they got to a point in the total lock down that most new cases were family members of non-critical cases who been ordered to self isolate at home.

[Lee4Life]

1 hour ago, Misterwhisper said:

Alas, a lot of people grossly misunderstand what "self-quarantine" actually entails. It's not just about staying at home away from public life, but about isolating yourself from ALL your family members as well. It's hard enough for westerners, but I imagine it must be a practical impossibility for Thai people, whose entire lives revolve around social contact within the extended family unit. Additionally, many low and middle income earners reside in rather small apartments and condominiums that simply do not have the space luxury of sequestering away a possibly infected family member for any period of time.  

Very true, and I have seen that many Thai parents and grand-parents would willingly put their own lives at risk for the well being or even comfort of their children. I feel bad for the daughter, we are not given enough info to know that she knowingly or willingly did anything wrong.

[lee b]

Old / older people should be avoided on all acounts correct? I am well aware this is her mother, but come on, everyone in the world knows the do's and don'ts of this garbage by now. Hope the mother pulls through

[DrTuner]

And nobody knows just how many asymptomatic cases are wandering around in Thailand, thanks to the non-existent testing of the general public. Stay home, stay safe.

Edited April 7, 2020 by DrTuner

[DrTuner]

56 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

In China they had a number of patients who relapsed and even died after being discharged from hospitals following negative tests. 

I have picked up reports of false negatives here and there. For RT-PCR to work, the viral load in the nasal swab must be high enough to be able to replicate and to be detected. Any mistakes in sampling, transport, PCR itself may cause a false negative. Unknown what percentage comes back as false negative.

[singasong]

7 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

And nobody knows just how many asymptomatic cases are wandering around in Thailand, thanks to the non-existent testing of the general public. Stay home, stay safe.

Never going to be able to test enough people to make a difference, even testing 60,000 per day would take nearly 3 years to test the whole popualtion and the day after people are tested they would need testing again, pie in the shy stuff.

Edited April 7, 2020 by singasong

[samsensam]

 

this is 100% hearsay, there are no facts.

 

 

[DrTuner]

11 minutes ago, singasong said:

Never going to be able to test enough people to make a difference, even testing 60,000 per day would take nearly 3 years to test the whole popualtion and the day after people are tested they would need testing again, pie in the shy stuff.

Even antibody testing in hundreds of thousands would give a better view. I haven't heard anything about the PTT/MIT/co rapid tests being used.

[Emdog]

In related issue, anyone seen recent info on all those thousands of "ghost workers" that were being sent back to Thailand from S Korea?

[Kasset Tak]

4 hours ago, Mavideol said:

agree and the ones that run away from the airport to avoid quarantine should turn themselves in ASAP.... who knows how many they already infected, relatives and/or general public

Those who ran away from quarantine should be dealt with the same way as they have been dealing with the COVID-19 situation in North Korea!

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Now she has a very serious case of respiratory disease caused by the virus given to her by her child.

Nice welcome home present... sheer lunacy, but welcome news she kept it in the family!

[Greenside]

https://www.nemiss.news/whats-coming-an-epidemiologist-speaks-plainly/?fbclid=IwAR32RV2T5cguNQaXxjcAvVV7kaD3ON3YOEemiAd3RCLHZEKih4cm-k4zP84

A good article about distancing and the care we should all be taking.

[Scott Tracy]

As I stated in other posts, no travel. No excuses. 

Stay where you are, or you may infect others without realising it.

Checking on fellow travellers, people you come into contact with plus the mode of transport used will have too be disinfected.

Not to put too fine a point on it, you can kill someone with your selfishness.

[natway09]

Lets get this story in Thai aired on every TV & radio station throughout the country 10 times a day.

Mr PM, this is the only kind of news that your people may understand,, more importantly the males 

[atyclb]

10 hours ago, UbonThani said:

Daughter is a low IQ twit

You cant go near old people for 14 days plus

 

tell that to a nation that largely does not use helmets while riding motorcycles.

[atyclb]