Thailand's Covid-19 mortality rate among lowest in the world

[WalkingOrders]

I think that is great and would love to know the reason(s) why.

[BeltAndRoad]

20 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

The Dr on FCCT yesterday sort of blurted it out. 1-2/1000 test positive ( I hope there's a transcript, this is IIRC), 33 confirmations would mean at least 33k tests, or the ballpark ratio he mentioned was pulled out of thin air.

Ohh the symbolism

[BeltAndRoad]

37 minutes ago, Yadon Toploy said:

Where I come from nobody goes to hospital for flu or a common cold.

 

Here in Thailand, the wards are full of flu cases. 

 

The first symptoms of illness the Thais are straight to the chemist, returning with a bag full of pills.

 

Weak you say?

 

 

None of what you just said disproves my opinion that Thai's on average have a healthier immune systems than westerners.  Yes Weak, as is your argument

[malibukid]

glad i stayed put.  had a feeling that this would be the best place to hang for awhile.  

[DrTuner]

59 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

I checked nextstrain, Thailand has not uploaded the genomes they sequenced a few days ago, but expressly mentioned they were not the Italian strain.

 

In the map Thailand seems to be the recipient from China, then a few strains originated from here.

 

It could well be many of us have had the early Wuhanese light strain. It's imperative MoPH tests for antibodies randomly.

More circumstantial evidence: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/17/health/south-korea-coronavirus-retesting-positive-intl-hnk/index.html

 

Seems re-infection might be possible. It would indicate same as with flu: immunity to one strain does not work for the other. 

[Alex 012]

26 minutes ago, BeltAndRoad said:

None of what you just said disproves my opinion that Thai's on average have a healthier immune systems than westerners.  Yes Weak, as is your argument

Of course 

 

Thai thai immune and culture and soul and spirit is above all other humanity.  Without peer.

[peterb17]

5 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

More testing tends to lower, not raise, mortality rates because it is the mil/asymptomatic cases that are missed.

 

Mortality rates ARE low in Thailand and also in Cambodia. At least in part due to younger age of patients (reflecting younger demographic and also no outbreaks in nursing homes - which not many elderly are in any how -- which have been a key source of deaths in western countries).

 

There may be other reasons as well not yet known but certainly age plays a big part.

 

This is hardly the "beginning", first case was months back and based on travel patterns from Wuhan the virus almost certainly was here no later than late December.

 

 

@Sheryl

 

Do you think obesity might play a part ? Many Western countries especially the US have a very high percentage of obese people 

Just a thought 

[Franko666]

5 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

They throw all these numbers and percentages out there, to make it look like they have a clue about whats happening...

But they still can't say how many people have actually been tested or are being tested !! 

 

If these are genuine numbers then there is no justification for curfews and business closures now... Oh but we have to worry about the 2nd wave right.....

And the third and forth, this thing is here to stay for years so there isn’t much point in hibernating until everyone is royally screwed.

[johnarth]

5 hours ago, Toany said:

It is relative to the amount of testing done.  The government has already stated that it cannot afford mass testing.

must remember Thailand is next to China so it would not be good for Thailand to have to strong a dose or it could backfire on China

[natway09]

As soon as I saw the headline I was waiting for the bashers.

Just once how about applauding their hard work & dedication to helping us.

To those that live in Thailand as I do,,,,,,,They May Just Have Saved Your Life

As to testing there is no evidence that it in any way helps

The best way is do as you are told for once in your life.

To those that refuse to wear a mask you should not be allowed in any shop 

[JGV]

I read some scientific research that looked at the effect of capsicum and it has anti viral properties that if eaten alot would enhance the immune system against viral and bacterial infections - this reportwas way before this covid 19 outbreak but i suggest people look into this as it is digested and other plants - cumin is known to help the gut and lower the chances of stomach cancer

[BeltAndRoad]

3 minutes ago, JGV said:

I read some scientific research that looked at the effect of capsicum and it has anti viral properties that if eaten alot would enhance the immune system against viral and bacterial infections - this reportwas way before this covid 19 outbreak but i suggest people look into this as it is digested and other plants - cumin is known to help the gut and lower the chances of stomach cancer

Take cover, all the pseudo scientists are preparing a smear campaign.

[yimlitnoy]

Congratulations Thailand!  I am glad to be here, I feel safer than at home.

[pacovl46]

6 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

They throw all these numbers and percentages out there, to make it look like they have a clue about whats happening...

But they still can't say how many people have actually been tested or are being tested !! 

 

If these are genuine numbers then there is no justification for curfews and business closures now... Oh but we have to worry about the 2nd wave right.....

Of course it’s justified to have curfews because without them you’d have a much more severe situation! 

[DrTuner]

36 minutes ago, JGV said:

I read some scientific research that looked at the effect of capsicum and it has anti viral properties that if eaten alot would enhance the immune system against viral and bacterial infections - this reportwas way before this covid 19 outbreak but i suggest people look into this as it is digested and other plants - cumin is known to help the gut and lower the chances of stomach cancer

There's a whole thread about immune system on the COVID-19 forum here on TVF. In short, it's a new virus, immune system doesn't have anything against it unless you already had it. 

[Mac98]

Why aren't women demanding equal death rates? Where are the bean counters now?

[purcho]

6 hours ago, Antonymous said:

 

I see. So if 2.7% deceased were male and 0.7% were female, I guess that the other 96.6% were katoeys, right?

 

 

 

Noted. Very interesting fact 

[Xaos]

4 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

Of course it’s justified to have curfews because without them you’d have a much more severe situation! 

Thats not true. Theres is data available on this by now and it was studied. Lockdown got no effect on virus. Its seasinal, it will come back anyway. I saw some study 2 days ago on it. 

 

And u should quarantine sick not everyone. Restricting movevement is a tyrany. 

Edited April 18, 2020 by Xaos

[0815]

6 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

They throw all these numbers and percentages out there, to make it look like they have a clue about whats happening...

But they still can't say how many people have actually been tested or are being tested !! 

 

If these are genuine numbers then there is no justification for curfews and business closures now... Oh but we have to worry about the 2nd wave right.....

But you have a clue. Right?

[pacovl46]

5 hours ago, rak sa_ngop said:

There seems to be some evidence that contrary to what is assumed, smokers actually have better survival rates from Covid-19 than non-smokers. Chinese are heavy smokers and yet the death rates from Covid-19 are relatively low.  Possibly something in Thai cigarettes that makes them safer??

5.56% is the case fatality rate for China. I wouldn’t call that low.

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, DavisH said:

How do you know they are unreliable? I would say they are more reliable than your opinion. 

 

have you been tracking the numbers? number of tests isn't being provided as part of their daily announcement. When the tests do get updated on worldmeters it jumps up. What reliable numbers have you got? provide source please, thanks

[ukrules]

In the end it's highly likely that every country will have about the same percentage. I'll come back to this in a couple of years.

 

A percentage of 1.7% will be orders of magnitude higher than the actual fatality rate once this is all over and we look back on it knowing what percentage of the population has been infected through the use of antibody tests.

 

I have a hunch that antibody tests won't be very available in Thailand for some reason.

[silent]

2 hours ago, Fex Bluse said:

How would you know what killed them? 

I guess if you kiss and come back positive in a week for it, oh never mind

[hobobo]

Oh, for Chris's sake, how many test have you done per day for the past 10 days? Then, and only then, WE will tell you whether your rate is among the best in the world. Be a good boy, don't make me swear now

[cornishcarlos]

6 minutes ago, 0815 said:

But you have a clue. Right?

 

I have a couple theories ????

[THAIPHUKET]

6 hours ago, Toany said:

It is relative to the amount of testing done.  The government has already stated that it cannot afford mass testing.

Neither The USA

[Isaan sailor]

So when Thailand lifts the lockdown—the rest of the world can follow suit...

[pacovl46]

4 minutes ago, Xaos said:

Thats not true. Theres is data available on this by now and it was studied. Lockdown got no effect on virus. Its seasinal, it will come back anyway. I saw some study 2 days ago on it. 

 

And u should quarantine sick not everyone. Restricting movevement is a tyrany. 

Which part of 2 weeks of incubation time during which infected are presumed to be infectious is it you don’t understand? 
 

If you wait until someone shows symptoms it’s already too late because by then they’ve been spreading it! 
 

Of course it’s so much more important that you don’t feel tyrannized and have your human rights not infringed upon than to stop a pandemic. I totally get it! 

 

Here’s the thing, if the entire world had gone on a proper 6 week lockdown 2 months ago the whole thing would already be over by now because the infected would have either recovered or died from it and no one else could’ve gotten infected because no one was out and about. This would’ve been also way less taxing on the global economy from a financial standpoint than the protracted situation we have now.
 

 

[hotchilli]

6 hours ago, Toany said:

It is relative to the amount of testing done.  The government has already stated that it cannot afford mass testing.

therein lays the answer... 2,733 reported numbers of infected, low deaths yet 660,000 PUI which are technically off the books !

Edited April 18, 2020 by hotchilli

[RPCVguy]

6 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

They throw all these numbers and percentages out there, to make it look like they have a clue about whats happening...

But they still can't say how many people have actually been tested or are being tested !! 

 

If these are genuine numbers then there is no justification for curfews and business closures now... Oh but we have to worry about the 2nd wave right.....

From the article:

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When divided by age group, those who are over 70 have the highest mortality rate at 12.1 per cent, followed by those aged 50-59 (4 per cent) and 60-69 (3.7 per cent), while the group with lowest risk is 20-29 years old at 0.2 per cent.

Among the deceased, 41 per cent had diabetes, 36 per cent had high blood pressure, 18 per cent had hyperlipidemia, 14 per cent had heart diseases. “However, some have died without any chronic diseases. Therefore the best offence against Covid-19 is to take precautions to prevent oneself from getting infected and seek diagnosis as soon as related symptoms are visible,” he added."

 

This is the type of data available globally and now internally for Thailand

Data as reported internationally is available at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
For ease of reference I've extracted and edited screen shots to show Thailand and the top several nations on the list.

I long doubted that we in Thailand were getting  clear information, and I still see too many neighbors interacting on my street with an air of casualness , but I also don't see or hear of bodies piling up and filling morgues at rates visible internationally.

Thailand has imposed a more extreme lockdown than many other nations. The checkpoints between and within provinces assure that... uniformly applied for 4-5 weeks as decreed will have all those who were infected either get sick and get treated OR pass through their infectious period while being asymptomatic. I've watched nations like Sweden resist rules for physical distancing, and Sweden's numbers now are growing rapidly. In the USA the different behaviors between states will reveal the problems of resisting self isolation - and prolong the problems for everyone as sloppy states will keep reinfecting more diligent ones.

The principles of a pandemic are simple, reduce physical interactions to reduce the spread of the disease... while awaiting treatment and or vaccine development. This virus has it's maximum infectiousness during the day BEFORE symptoms appear - if they appear. In Iceland and places where a high percentage of the population has been tested, nearly 50% of those testing positive are asymptomatic. Meanwhile in every location where physical distancing is not applied before clusters of people become infected, the spread of the disease threatens or succeeds in overwhelming the ability of hospitals to keep up.

Calling for freedom to travel while the society seeks to contain, identify, treat and eliminate the disease is the height of individual selfishness... besides being just plain foolish.