Follow the science....

[cornishcarlos]

This has been posted in another thread but lost in among all the other posts...

I think it's worth a watch and it's not unsubstantiated conspiracy theories but 2 doctors on the frontline in US..

Take from it what you will

 

 

[Throatwobbler]

You are very happy to ignore all the evidence from many Doctors and nurses who are on the front line. However once 2 doctors say something you agree with you are all over it and posting it.

  You are being very selective on what you post, What an embarressment you are.

  You say follow the science but that is the last thing you have done.

 

Edited April 25, 2020 by Throatwobbler

[mauGR1]

31 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

You are very happy to ignore all the evidence from many Doctors and nurses who are on the front line. However once 2 doctors say something you agree with you are all over it and posting it.

  You are being very selective on what you post, What an embarressment you are.

  You say follow the science but that is the last thing you have done.

 

Actually it's exactly the opposite of what you are saying.

More and more doctors and nurses are waking up to the reality.

If you want to live the rest of your life locked down in fear, up to you, but there are many who don't agree with that.

[cornishcarlos]

1 hour ago, Throatwobbler said:

You are being very selective on what you post, What an embarressment you are.

  You say follow the science but that is the last thing you have done.

 

An embarrassment, to who ?? You ?? 

 

As I said, take from it what you want...

Yes I believe these lock downs are an over reaction and it's not just me btw.. Why would I post something I don't agree with ?? 

 

Are you saying these 2 guys are not following the science that they have observed over the past couple months ??

 

Your reply is more of an embarrassment to yourself !! I don't call people names for saying something that I disagree with, I just counter with my own opinions. 

[Odysseus123]

Yes,it's been posted many times but thank you for posting it again.

[UbonThani]

boring video

been saying for 6 weeks i dont believe it will kill more than swine flu

massive stuff up by govs

 

[Moonlover]

5 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

boring video

been saying for 6 weeks i dont believe it will kill more than swine flu

massive stuff up by govs

 

Like you, I've been saying right from the early days this is all nonsense. Nature's way is to develop 'herd immunity', but we'll never achieve that by hiding away like a bunch of quivering cowards.

 

I'm not being flippant, I am one of those in the vulnerable group by age at least, but I'm all for putting an end to this crazy siege mentality and let's all get on with life. The sooner the better.

 

 

[baansgr]

1.15 was enough of his droaning voice....

[Moonlover]

36 minutes ago, baansgr said:

1.15 was enough of his droaning voice....

So you really learned a lot then.

[chessman]

3 hours ago, Throatwobbler said:

You are very happy to ignore all the evidence from many Doctors and nurses who are on the front line. However once 2 doctors say something you agree with you are all over it and posting it.

  You are being very selective on what you post, What an embarressment you are.

  You say follow the science but that is the last thing you have done.

I agree with your general point, It's amazing how many people here dismiss the opinions of scientists and experts until they find one that has a similar view to them and then they are happy to put them forward to 'prove' they are correct.

 

However, I watched a good chunk of that video (not the whole thing) and they generally seem to be talking sense. The extreme measure were necessary initially so we could stop a sudden spike, organize testing, prepare our health care systems and do research on the virus. As we have done those things now (more or less) we are entering a new stage in which we will have to open things up step by step.

[cornishcarlos]

2 minutes ago, chessman said:

It's amazing how many people here dismiss the opinions of scientists and experts until they find one that has a similar view to them and then they are happy to put them forward to 'prove' they are correct.

 

I didn't post that video to prove I was correct, I just happen to believe their findings.

I'd be happy to see some other videos, with different opinions. Current ones though, now that more is known.

As they state in the video, initial advice was probably good, considering there was no actual data to go on, just models...

However, as it has developed, more data has given a better understanding and it isn't as bad as first predicted.

 

What I do find interesting though, is a lot of people that dismiss anything other than the MSM angle, get very fired up and sometimes abusive to those that have an open mind..

They seem to lose their cool if you suggest anything outside what they have been told to believe !! I guess that's a side affect of brain washing ??

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

An embarrassment, to who ?? You ?? 

 

As I said, take from it what you want...

Yes I believe these lock downs are an over reaction and it's not just me btw.. Why would I post something I don't agree with ?? 

 

Are you saying these 2 guys are not following the science that they have observed over the past couple months ??

 

Your reply is more of an embarrassment to yourself !! I don't call people names for saying something that I disagree with, I just counter with my own opinions. 

Sky press preview Rhubarbed this nonsense this morning & David Davis is being interviewed as I speak.

[cornishcarlos]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Sky press preview Rhubarbed this nonsense this morning & David Davis is being interviewed as I speak.

 

Ok.. Post up the link and we can discuss the Rhubarbing too..

Edited April 25, 2020 by cornishcarlos

[Lacessit]

Science is about data, and testing hypotheses against the data. The look over there approach in terms of suicides, domestic violence and economic damage is a red herring.

Australia led the world in lockdown, ahead of the WHO. Deaths per million population 3, the USA 158. Infection cases per million population 263, the USA 2797.

 Certainly, relaxation of a lockdown is desirable once the curve is flattened enough for hospitals to cope with a balance of patients discharged vs. new patients.

I don't care what these so-called "frontline" doctors are saying. The data is saying they are talking out of their a###s.

 

[rumak]

Thank you Carlos .   Sadly,  I see that any thoughts or experiences by anyone other than the

usual sources will never stand a chance of changing anyone's mind .  

 

But as I said with AussieBob's  post..........   at least we can see that there are a few people

that seem to try to assess what is real from what is brainwashing.   A very few.   Those are

the ones that try to present their opinions , in an articulate way.

 

Then there are the others..............

 

 

 

Edited April 25, 2020 by rumak

[mauGR1]

23 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I don't care what these so-called "frontline" doctors are saying. The data is saying they are talking out of their a###s.

No, the data is saying that covid's dangers have been hyped, like every person of commons sense have realised a while ago.

And why the opinion of frontline doctors is not worth of your appreciation, pray tell.

[rvaviator]

24 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Science is about data, and testing hypotheses against the data. The look over there approach in terms of suicides, domestic violence and economic damage is a red herring.

Australia led the world in lockdown, ahead of the WHO. Deaths per million population 3, the USA 158. Infection cases per million population 263, the USA 2797.

 Certainly, relaxation of a lockdown is desirable once the curve is flattened enough for hospitals to cope with a balance of patients discharged vs. new patients.

I don't care what these so-called "frontline" doctors are saying. The data is saying they are talking out of their a###s.

 

Could it be a difference in population ?

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Health

The two doctors did raise an issue regarding underlying causes - What went on the death certificate etc ... Difference in numbers could be down to different ways of recording the cause of death could it not?

[Logosone]

Wow so two doctors on the frontlines saying it makes sense to isolate the sick, but not so much to isolate the healthy, so basically what I've been saying for weeks. Nice to see American doctors catching up with German TVF contributors. Good stuff.

 

And two doctors saying that those losing out are non-Covid19 patients, again what I was saying weeks ago.

 

Why did you not make a video of my posts and do a thread about it? It's because I'm German, isn't it?

[mauGR1]

4 minutes ago, rvaviator said:

Could it be a difference in population ?

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Health

The two doctors did raise an issue regarding underlying causes - What went on the death certificate etc ... Difference in numbers could be down to different ways of recording the cause of death could it not?

Not to mention differences in lifestyles, population density, air pollution etc.

Apparently, even the fear of being diagnosed with covid and being locked away from one's dear ones can have a dramatic effect on one's antibodies.

[mauGR1]

Just now, Logosone said:

Wow so two doctors on the frontlines saying it makes sense to isolate the sick, but not so much to isolate the healthy, so basically what I've been saying for weeks. Nice to see American doctors catching up with German TVF contributors. Good stuff.

 

And two doctors saying that those losing out are non-Covid19 patients, again what I was saying weeks ago.

 

Why did you not make a video of my posts and do a thread about it? It's because I'm German, isn't it?

LOL, same here, i was smelling the coffee weeks ago, i am just glad that more and more doctors and nurses are confirming what we were suspecting.

Yet, i have from my contacts in Italy that people are being fed fear all day long, and unfortunately fear has a detrimental effect on one's judgement, not to mention physical health.

[Logosone]

3 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

LOL, same here, i was smelling the coffee weeks ago, i am just glad that more and more doctors and nurses are confirming what we were suspecting.

Yet, i have from my contacts in Italy that people are being fed fear all day long, and unfortunately fear has a detrimental effect on one's judgement, not to mention physical health.

Yes, it's nice actually that doctors are speaking out and confirming what common sense has long suggested. 

 

And you're right, a lot of people still have that epic fear of the virus, hopefully that will give way to clear thinking.

 

Hopefully it can all be brought back to a semblance of normality again soon.

Edited April 25, 2020 by Logosone

[4MyEgo]

6 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

I think it's worth a watch and it's not unsubstantiated conspiracy theories but 2 doctors on the frontline in US..

Take from it what you will

Just finished watching it, thanks and yes agree, somethings not right and the healthy should be back at work or out and about.

 

I have always thought something big at play is happening, maybe all the G20 private meetings are starting to become a reality, paranoid, sheet yeh.

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Logosone said:

And you're right, a lot of people still have that epic fear of the virus, hopefully that will give way to clear thinking.

It's not only that, the person i was talking to today, is afraid to end up in jail for protesting, afraid of heavy fines for going out, and afraid about the state of the economy. And for the future in general.. A total mess.

I really hope that somebody will be held accountable for all this s**t.

[Relocated]

3 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

An embarrassment, to who ?? You ?? 

 

As I said, take from it what you want...

Yes I believe these lock downs are an over reaction and it's not just me btw.. Why would I post something I don't agree with ?? 

 

Are you saying these 2 guys are not following the science that they have observed over the past couple months ??

 

Your reply is more of an embarrassment to yourself !! I don't call people names for saying something that I disagree with, I just counter with my own opinions. 

Scientific truth doesn't count once it becomes religionized. 

You will be cursed as heretic if you go against the herd. 

Soon another evangelical high school drop out will start preaching doctrine of mask. 

Mask stock will out perform Amazon soon.  

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, cornishcarlos said:

Ok.. Post up the link and we can discuss the Rhubarbing too..

No need; It was supporting you, as indeed was i ????

[Matzzon]

Exactly! 2 US doctors. Should we put 2 Chinese frontline doctors on the other side of the table? After that we can try to draw some conclusions. Or is US always right?

[Lacessit]

38 minutes ago, rvaviator said:

Could it be a difference in population ?

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Health

The two doctors did raise an issue regarding underlying causes - What went on the death certificate etc ... Difference in numbers could be down to different ways of recording the cause of death could it not?

At risk of going off topic, I am seeing parallels between this situation and the subject of gun control. When Australia banned the ownership of semi-automatic weapons back in 1996, the ensuing data said mass shootings were eliminated.

80 COVID-19 deaths in Australia vs 52,217 in the USA is not a statistical anomaly. For a country that is the world's leading economy and military power, it still astonishes me how Americans blithely ignore what is right in front of their noses.

[evadgib]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

At risk of going off topic, I am seeing parallels between this situation and the subject of gun control. When Australia banned the ownership of semi-automatic weapons back in 1996, the ensuing data said mass shootings were eliminated.

80 COVID-19 deaths in Australia vs 52,217 in the USA is not a statistical anomaly. For a country that is the world's leading economy and military power, it still astonishes me how Americans blithely ignore what is right in front of their noses.

If UK hadn't banned firearms at about the same time Bercow would have had his arrse served on a platter on 29th March 19 & UK would not be in quarantine now, but I agree that's a separate affair... 

[teatime101]

1 hour ago, chessman said:

It's amazing how many people here dismiss the opinions of scientists and experts until they find one that has a similar view to them and then they are happy to put them forward to 'prove' they are correct.

 

This is also how climate change denial has been rolling for years. The opinions of a small handful of contrarian scientists, many of whom are funded by fossil fuel interests, are all they need to challenge the consensus view of the other 99% of climate scientists.

Scientific consensus denial is motivated by money and political ideology, not counting the nutters - flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, etc. that jump on the bandwagon. If they are from the USA, I would guess more than 90% of these people are Trump supporters...

[Yinn]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Australia led the world in lockdown, ahead of the WHO. Deaths per million population 3, the USA 158. Infection cases per million population 263, the USA 2797.

Thailand deaths per million .7,

infection 42 per million. 

Wear the mask.

Think Australia and Thailand will be ok soon. Two more weeks? Lucky.

 

Belgium 3,911 per million, death 597 per million. 

 

Europe/USA/SouthnAmerica/Indonesia will be problem 2+ month.

Italy lockdown long time already. Still about 500 die everyday.

 

Edited April 25, 2020 by Yinn