Malaria drug touted by Trump for coronavirus fails another test

[Mick501]

11 hours ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Yes...Lincoln...Washington...Jefferson...Roosevelt...they all encouraged the masses to clean their lungs with bleach and shine high powered flashlights up their butts....ok, maybe not the flashlights because they had not been invented yet but I am pretty sure Roosevelt was down for a candle up there in a pinch....

Your ability to parrot CNN is mesmerising.  Clever boy!   Now, if you want to try reality for a change, take a listen to what President Trump actually said, and the context in which it was said.

[simple1]

9 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

Your ability to parrot CNN is mesmerising.  Clever boy!   Now, if you want to try reality for a change, take a listen to what President Trump actually said, and the context in which it was said.

Text of trump's comments below. As trump is the chief communicator for the administration, in your considered opinion do you believe his commentary was appropriate? OK in a private meeting with medical specialists, but most definitely not appropriate to speculate on potentially very dangerous treatments in front of the general public. trump should take ownership for his errors of judgement, unfortunately he does not.

 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-trump-white-house-sunlight-heat-fight-virus-20200424-7dnhtyxltvdazkp24mybuefmou-story.html

[Mick501]

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Text of trump's comments below. As trump is the chief communicator for the administration, in your considered opinion do you believe his commentary was appropriate? OK in a private meeting with medical specialists, but most definitely not appropriate to speculate on potentially very dangerous treatments in front of the general public. trump should take ownership for his errors of judgement, unfortunately he does not.

 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-trump-white-house-sunlight-heat-fight-virus-20200424-7dnhtyxltvdazkp24mybuefmou-story.html

You clearly need things simplified for you, so here it is.  He's asking opinions of a medical advisor as to whetherit is feasible/possible that something may be developed.   He clearly looks to the medical advisor for advice on each occasion that he moots a POTENTIAL POSSIBILITY.  Only a moron, or someone with an agenda other than honesty, could see it in any other light.   For the record, I am not suggesting you are a moron.

[simple1]

28 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

You clearly need things simplified for you, so here it is.  He's asking opinions of a medical advisor as to whetherit is feasible/possible that something may be developed.   He clearly looks to the medical advisor for advice on each occasion that he moots a POTENTIAL POSSIBILITY.  Only a moron, or someone with an agenda other than honesty, could see it in any other light.   For the record, I am not suggesting you are a moron.

How about answering my question rather than thinking you're clever by disclaiming your insults.

 

To repeat, was it appropriate for the President of the USA to speculate on dangerous treatments in front of a national audience intended to address the tramp administration status update on Covid 19 and actions taken. I suggest to you the majority concluded the remarks were not constructive / helpful, nor have they been the case during the Covid updates hosted by trump, as reflected in the majority of polls on trump's handling of the crisis to date.

[johnnybangkok]

On 5/8/2020 at 9:38 AM, frodo77 said:

Trump is most definitely not a clown and history will show him to be a brilliant President as he continues to drain the swamp. Flynn's exoneration is just the start. He was misquoted by the evil mainstream media about the disinfectant. I wish people would wake up to the truth.

"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?

"So it'd be interesting to check that." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177

 

It must be so exhausting being a Trump supporter. Every day you have to figure out how to defend an idiotic comment or insane action just because you can't admit you made a mistake and voted a total buffon into the most powerful office in the world.

[Mick501]

10 minutes ago, simple1 said:

How about answering my question rather than thinking you're clever by disclaiming your insults.

 

To repeat, was it appropriate for the President of the USA to speculate on dangerous treatments in front of a national audience intended to address the tramp administration status update on Covid 19 and actions taken. I suggest to you the majority concluded the remarks were not constructive / helpful, nor have they been the case during the Covid updates hosted by trump, as reflected in the majority of polls on trump's handling of the crisis to date.

If you can tear yourself away from your extreme left media for a minute, you will discover that human beings have things called "conversations".  This is where people communicate with each other.  It incorporates not only the spoken word, but in many cases body language, context and actions are equally important, if not more so, in conveying a message.

 

 

the a Presidents tone in the video is unmistakably conversational.  Or do you believe he is reading from a prepared statement?

 

it is disingenuous and deliberately misleading to point to a transcript of a conversation where it does not reflect the context, as you have done.  Indeed, the fact that your news media goes to the effort of preparing such a deliberate misrepresentation of context says a lot about them, and nothing about the President.

 

by way of illustration, if one person says, "F you", to another, that can be intended either as a joke, or to cause offence.  If you are part of the conversation or are able to watch the conversation, you know the intent.   Yet if it is put in a transcript, it will surely seem that one person is abusing the other.  Do you really not grasp this concept of body language and context?  In your world do people always speak in precise, monotoned, pre prepared statements?  Or are you just being deliberately deceitful and misrepresenting the truth, as does the article to which you pointed?  

[Mick501]

8 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?

"So it'd be interesting to check that." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177

 

It must be so exhausting being a Trump supporter. Every day you have to figure out how to defend an idiotic comment or insane action just because you can't admit you made a mistake and voted a total buffon into the most powerful office in the world.

What would you thnk is exhausting about winning?

[johnnybangkok]

11 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

If you can tear yourself away from your extreme left media for a minute, you will discover that human beings have things called "conversations".  This is where people communicate with each other.  It incorporates not only the spoken word, but in many cases body language, context and actions are equally important, if not more so, in conveying a message.

 

 

the a Presidents tone in the video is unmistakably conversational.  Or do you believe he is reading from a prepared statement?

 

it is disingenuous and deliberately misleading to point to a transcript of a conversation where it does not reflect the context, as you have done.  Indeed, the fact that your news media goes to the effort of preparing such a deliberate misrepresentation of context says a lot about them, and nothing about the President.

 

by way of illustration, if one person says, "F you", to another, that can be intended either as a joke, or to cause offence.  If you are part of the conversation or are able to watch the conversation, you know the intent.   Yet if it is put in a transcript, it will surely seem that one person is abusing the other.  Do you really not grasp this concept of body language and context?  In your world do people always speak in precise, monotoned, pre prepared statements?  Or are you just being deliberately deceitful and misrepresenting the truth, as does the article to which you pointed?  

“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”

― Mark Twain

[Traubert]

Deep......and highly original......

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Mick501 said:

You clearly need things simplified for you, so here it is.  He's asking opinions of a medical advisor as to whetherit is feasible/possible that something may be developed.   He clearly looks to the medical advisor for advice on each occasion that he moots a POTENTIAL POSSIBILITY.  Only a moron, or someone with an agenda other than honesty, could see it in any other light.   For the record, I am not suggesting you are a moron.

You perhaps need to get on message, the ‘defense’ Trump and his White House have offered for his dangerous comments is, ‘that he was being sarcastic’ - itself an example of Trump’s use of gaslighting.

[candide]

3 hours ago, Mick501 said:

You clearly need things simplified for you, so here it is.  He's asking opinions of a medical advisor as to whetherit is feasible/possible that something may be developed.   He clearly looks to the medical advisor for advice on each occasion that he moots a POTENTIAL POSSIBILITY.  Only a moron, or someone with an agenda other than honesty, could see it in any other light.   For the record, I am not suggesting you are a moron.

I'll be more direct than the other posters: do you think a POTUS is right to publicly evoke such ridiculous possibilities in public? Because they look quite ridiculous to anyone with a brain, right? Isn't it ridiculous to even wonder whether it may be a possible treatment or not?

 

Edited May 10, 2020 by candide

[Mick501]

2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”

― Mark Twain

Calling out your dishonesty is merely intended to inform people who have nor seen the video as to how conniving the left wing media and people such as yourself can be.  Understandable you would want to distract  from that with a quote that could only be applied to you in this conversation.

[Redline]

On 5/8/2020 at 9:38 AM, frodo77 said:

Trump is most definitely not a clown and history will show him to be a brilliant President as he continues to drain the swamp. Flynn's exoneration is just the start. He was misquoted by the evil mainstream media about the disinfectant. I wish people would wake up to the truth.

Truth is kind of an oxymoron in this case-anything to do with trump that is-considering he’s probably approaching 100,000 lies by now.  I’m curious if the amount of lies matches covid deaths in the end? The 

[seajae]

what amazes me is the way some people with certain political leanings cannot understand the english language, then when they realize they have made a mistake/fool of themselves they refuse to answer, typical really, doesnt matter which country they are from,  they are all the same. I keep laughing at all these idiots that rely solely on who they vote for as to what they actually rant on about, then again maybe its just because I  can actually read and understand the english language and dont let my political views get in the way of the truth or what was actually said/meant. Also as yet there are no official/recognized  studies done on any corona virus treatments but the drug in question is not a treatment by itself, it has to be taken in conjunction with a second one to work properly, which many doctors are saying it does if taken in tandem, even one of the dem govenors has requested a bigger supply of it so it must have some beneficial effect otherwise why would doctors even be prescribing it. Letting personal politics become the motivational reason for comments is pretty pathetic really but it happens a lot in here, always good for a laugh

[Mick501]

28 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You perhaps need to get on message, the ‘defense’ Trump and his White House have offered for his dangerous comments is, ‘that he was being sarcastic’ - itself an example of Trump’s use of gaslighting.

I'm unfortunate enough to have witnessed people interacting with each other in the real world.  Only got to check out the video to understand that he is asking a question about what is possible.  Not surprising that you too have sold your soul and pretend there's something more to it.

[Mick501]

30 minutes ago, candide said:

I'll be more direct than the other posters: do you think a POTUS is right to publicly evoke such ridiculous possibilities in public? Because they look quite ridiculous to anyone with a brain, right? Isn't it ridiculous to even wonder whether it may be a possible treatment or not?

 

Do you understand the difference between asking a question and making a statement?

[xylophone]

5 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

I'm unfortunate enough to have witnessed people interacting with each other in the real world.  Only got to check out the video to understand that he is asking a question about what is possible.  Not surprising that you too have sold your soul and pretend there's something more to it.

Difficult how anyone could dismiss this idiots "suggestions" so lightly (who but an idiot would suggest them)....when his EXACT words were:-

 

So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous - whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light," the president said, turning to Dr Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response co-ordinator, "and I think you said that hasn't been checked but you're going to test it.

 

"And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside of the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting," the president continued.

 

"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?

"So it'd be interesting to check that."

 

Pointing to his head, Mr Trump went on: "I'm not a doctor. But I'm, like, a person that has a good you-know-what." 

 

It was very obvious from Dr Birx's facial expressions that she couldn't believe what she was hearing.

 

I think in pointing to his head he was indicating that there was nothing in there!

[Chomper Higgot]

24 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

I'm unfortunate enough to have witnessed people interacting with each other in the real world.  Only got to check out the video to understand that he is asking a question about what is possible.  Not surprising that you too have sold your soul and pretend there's something more to it.

Less of the personal attacks please.

 

Here is a fact, Trump and his WH team have stated Trump was being ‘sarcastic’.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/the-white-house-spins-trumps-disinfectant-remarks

 

Manufacturers of disinfectants failed to see the sarcasm and issued health warnings in response to Trump’s remarks.

 

As I say, do at least consider getting ‘on message’.

 

 

Edited May 10, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[Mick501]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Less of the personal attacks please.

 

Here is a fact, Trump and his WH team have stated his Trump was being ‘sarcastic’.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/the-white-house-spins-trumps-disinfectant-remarks

 

Manufacturers of disinfectants failed to see the sarcasm and issued health warnings in response to Trump’s remarks.

 

As I say, do at least consider getting ‘on message’.

 

 

More common sense will result in less pointing out of lack of common sense.

[stevenl]

45 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

Calling out your dishonesty is merely intended to inform people who have nor seen the video as to how conniving the left wing media and people such as yourself can be.  Understandable you would want to distract  from that with a quote that could only be applied to you in this conversation.

I am sure many have seen the video.

 

Strange that Trump himself backtracked, but his supporters still defend the stance it was just eyeballing possible cures, when he himself stated he was being sarcastic (after it became clear nobody believed his eyeballing claim).

Also strange that also the people on stage cringed when he uttered the word, but his supporters still defend that.

 

And finally I find it strange that quite a few manufacturers of disinfectants found the need to issue a warning against the president's advice.

 

It seems all people involved, from all sides, scientific, White House, Trump, press, manufacturers of disinfectants, democrats, decided it was stupid what he did, only his supporters keep on defending it.

Edited May 10, 2020 by stevenl

[johnnybangkok]

26 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

Calling out your dishonesty is merely intended to inform people who have nor seen the video as to how conniving the left wing media and people such as yourself can be.  Understandable you would want to distract  from that with a quote that could only be applied to you in this conversation.

So what part of what I quoted is 'dishonest'? These are the actual words he spoke. I didn't make them up. The MSM you love to denigrate didn't make them up; they actually came out of his mouth. If you are infering that the 'dishonesty' comes from people judging him when all it was was Trump musing out loud then don't you think the most powerful man in the world, heading up a country with the highest C19 infections and deaths should be a litle bit more circumspect in what he is saying to a room packed full of journalists and the worlds media?
And I wouldn't even mind if this was his first gaffe but no, this is the latest in a long, long, long list of stupendously stupid utterings that have seen Trump try to minimised this pandemic, politicise it (calling it a Democratic hoax), back false cures (such as this) and generally fly in the face of all reason to deflect from his abismal handling of C19.

My Mark Twain quote was accurate. The man knows nothing and so should just shut up and stop demonstarting how little he really knows.  

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

More common sense will result in less pointing out of lack of common sense.

I’m pointing out that you are offering explanations that differ from the latest explanation Trump and his White House officials are themselves offering.

 

I never mentioned common sense and have no idea why you should want to take the discussion oof topic by introducing it here.

[4MyEgo]

On 5/8/2020 at 9:48 AM, RJRS1301 said:

No,none published and I am sure Trump and his ventriloquist dummy , would be there shouting it from the roof tops along with there "strong indications" on lab origin 

I saw a video by Dr Berg saying that this drug works, added with zinc and Vitamin D, he did also mention that the head of the CDC was stopping Dr's from using it, with him saying that because it costs $.50c a tablet is the reason, not profitable for big pharma, just saying what I heard.

[The Barmbeker]

4 hours ago, Mick501 said:

You clearly need things simplified for you, so here it is.  He's asking opinions of a medical advisor as to whetherit is feasible/possible that something may be developed.   He clearly looks to the medical advisor for advice on each occasion that he moots a POTENTIAL POSSIBILITY.  Only a moron, or someone with an agenda other than honesty, could see it in any other light.   For the record, I am not suggesting you are a moron.

At which exact point in his live coverage of a brain- fart, does the BS he is spouting, becoming a sarcastic question to the reporters?

Because that is, what he later said, this whole farce was...

 

So which part do you believe and which part should we believe?

That he was having a serious on air- discussion with the doctors or that he was playing a little prank on the journalists?

Because you can not have it both!

Edited May 10, 2020 by The Barmbeker

[johnnybangkok]

Just now, 4MyEgo said:

I saw a video by Dr Berg saying that this drug works, added with zinc and Vitamin D, he did also mention that the head of the CDC was stopping Dr's from using it, with him saying that because it costs $.50c a tablet is the reason, not profitable for big pharma, just saying what I heard.

Well I'm convinced. That big pharma are truly evil and I wouldn't put it past them to be holding off on a cure purely because there wasn't enough profit in it for them......................only slight problem might be the fact it isn't up to them though is it; it's the FDA that approves drugs for commercial (https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/what-we-do) use but you know, I'm justing saying what I heard (and researched and fact checked and made sure was accurate).

[Lacessit]

7 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

Plenty of diverse opinions at that time.  Good for you that you've  never said anything in your life that proved incorrect with 20/20 hindsight.

True enough. However, I've never said anything that affected the lives of 300 million people. Less 80,000.

[JackThompson]

On 5/8/2020 at 7:28 AM, stevenl said:

There have been tests indicating a limited positive effect, but these have been surrounded by criticism.

 

The indications are more and more it had no benefits.

Trump's big mistake was not travel-ban Europe at the same time he blocked China.  But this is not about Trump - it is about Big Money. 

Big Pharma's paid-partners (universities, etc) have carefully avoided duplicating the Successful French Studies, which used the Drug-Combination of HCQ + Z-Pac (not HCQ, alone) which Trump spoke of, in reference to those tests months ago.  The French had results in a week - then more a week later - now over 1000 tested, and consistently great results.  The results were quick, because this drug-combo wipes out the virus completely in just a few days.

 

The indications are that Big Pharma really, really does NOT want an "off patent" solution to get in the way of the Huuuge payday they hope to get from this virus.  And, it appears they don't care how many have to die for them to get it.

[Crazy Alex]

3 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

Trump's big mistake was not travel-ban Europe at the same time he blocked China.  But this is not about Trump - it is about Big Money. 

Big Pharma's paid-partners (universities, etc) have carefully avoided duplicating the Successful French Studies, which used the Drug-Combination of HCQ + Z-Pac (not HCQ, alone) which Trump spoke of, in reference to those tests months ago.  The French had results in a week - then more a week later - now over 1000 tested, and consistently great results.  The results were quick, because this drug-combo wipes out the virus completely in just a few days.

 

The indications are that Big Pharma really, really does NOT want an "off patent" solution to get in the way of the Huuuge payday they hope to get from this virus.  And, it appears they don't care how many have to die for them to get it.

BOOM! Follow the money. Why use a drug that's gone generic when billions can be made with a new, patented drug.

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m pointing out that you are offering explanations that differ from the latest explanation Trump and his White House officials are themselves offering.

 

I never mentioned common sense and have no idea why you should want to take the discussion oof topic by introducing it here.

So there is some obligation to keep agreeing with everything Trump says? And you're complaining about lack of common sense? OK.

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

 

Tell me - was it fake news when Trump said the virus was not a problem, or just like flu?

I don't know... was it fake news when liberal said the very same thing?