Tears and heartbreak as flight ban keeps farang-Thai families apart

[HashBrownHarry]

1 minute ago, Mattd said:

Really, how if they are in the middle of the ocean, beam them up Scotty.............??

One assumes the boat can go to the mainland? or there's choppers Scotty?

[bbi1]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So, carry on working and bring lots of money when can go back.

+1, agreed. They should carry on working and stop the bitching and come back with lots of money.

[Spock]

3 hours ago, Don Mega said:

A little WuFlu goes a long way too...I'd prefer me or my family don't die from it.

Don't be so melodramatic. Neither you nor your family have more an infinitesimal chance of catching then dying from the flu.

[transam]

2 hours ago, Malawi said:

If they loved their families so much why did they leave them in the first place?

Because not all farangs in LOS are retired folk like yourself, some folk have to work, ya noooo.

Please plug brain in chap.......????

 

[Greg O]

UAE didn't announce they were closing until well after Thailand closed then Ramadan totally threw a wrench in the works. Simple as that. 

[bbi1]

5 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

So if you knew the airports in UAE were closing why did you not come home to be with your family?

 

Chasing the money one suspects?

Bingo! You hit the nail on the head. The virus was already super serious during end of February when Richard decided it was "smart" to fly to the UAE for 4 weeks of work.

Edited May 23, 2020 by bbi1

[Aussieroaming]

5 minutes ago, david_dyer said:

I think best bet is to get a 90 day visa to be safe and be prepared for quarantine, with new baby i plan to quarantine on same property just to make sure nothing is carried into our village. Already plan long service leave as soon as i can get a flight

Agreed, no embassy staff here though. They repatriated or they don't respond to farangs for information. My plan will be to try and get to a friendly common asia country like Korea and apply there if possible. Then after i quarantine for 2 week in Bangkok my wife and I have agreed that I would quarantine for an additional 2 weeks in our condo. I dont believe 2 weeks is likely enough to reduce risk to zero, but thats only my medically uneducated decision.

[JackThompson]

3 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Tough but understandable move by the government. The Thais knew what they were dealing with and responded appropriately.

Yes - see the Sweeden numbers - no significant difference in death-rate by age-bracket, excpept for the very old.
 

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Yes, some foreigners would have respected the  self isolation requirements and yes some have legitimate reasons to return,  Unfortunately, there are alsoforeigners up to no good without  the financial means or health insurance to  take care of themselves. Some would not have respected the self isolation.

That's what "quarantine" is for.  Use the gazillion empty hotels.  Easy to station officers at the exits, or even segregate groups of returnees by date / by floor.  Payment is not the issue - many said they would pay - so if they will pay what is the problem?
 

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Thailand did not have the means or resources to manage that exposure. Because of a few duds, everyone will suffer. 

Because of the complete ineptitude of "duds" in govt, in dealing with this in a sensible and humane way.
 

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And please, no lectures on how  this is unfair when  we see in the forums the stories of how some farangs  play the system  and cheat.

Do you actually buy into all the 'farang-hate' propaganda they spout? 

 

We aren't the ones running govt-departments like immigration as Multi-Level-Marketing envelope-cash rackets - calling "good guys" the ones who play THEIR game, and "bad guys" the honest folks who try to do things "by the book."

 

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Sorry to the many people who  are suffering, but this is the  cost of tolerating scum who are often excused away as poor hard done folk. All it takes is a few selfish gits landing from  Italy, Russia, USA. UK to spread death and disease.

Assuming most Thais are not already immune, due to the govt letting in the Wuhan folk while the disease was RAGING there (for Chinese New year money), a quarantine solves the problem.

Edited May 23, 2020 by JackThompson

[JackThompson]

3 hours ago, Don Mega said:

A little WuFlu goes a long way too...I'd prefer me or my family don't die from it.

If you are of advanced-age or have diabetes or obesity issues, you might want to self-quarantine.  We have the data now - this is not dangerous to healthy non-elderly persons.

 

If in the risk-bracket, you would also want to encourage as many healthy-others to go out and mingle vigourously, so herd-immunity will be reached sooner, so you can join them ASAP. 

[fredwiggy]

Just now, BritManToo said:

The Durex survey showed 59% of Thai women admitted to being unfaithful.

It used to bother me in my first year here, then I got over it and accepted life for what it is.

True, some women are dirty scumbags but most when they have a fit, caring, loving family man that is taking care of them won't cheat. If they lose you, they go back to the trash they had before you, and that is truly losing face. And where did they take the survey in Thailand? Pattaya, Isaan , Chiang Mai, and how many participants from what areas? 35 million women in Thailand and a survey of a thousand or so doesn't give much of  an answer.

Edited May 23, 2020 by fredwiggy

[EricTh]

If foreigners can't come to Thailand for xx months, maybe Thailand should allow its citizens to fly out to their spouses instead.

 

I don't see the reason why it has to be one way.

[Don Mega]

7 minutes ago, Phuketboy said:

Think everyone here is struggling with the part which determines whether you are just heartless or simply just a complete and utter <deleted>head. No difference at all in allowing Thai's in or Foreigners other than nationality.  Those with Thai families should be able to enter along with Thais. Maybe they should kick you out to wherever you came from away from your Thai family so you can grasp reality here.  As for your fear of the "WuFlu", either grow up and stop beleiving and following everything you hear or go lock lock yourself in a room somewhere while th rest of us get on with life. 

 

1 less person allowed entry equal one less potential person to spread the virus, allowing non essential travel is utter madness and the Thai's (like many countries) are doing the right thing.

[Walker88]

Not having a wife and family in Thailand, I can only guess as to the pain those locked outside are feeling now, but it has to be substantial, both for the man locked outside and for their families inside Thailand. It seems a simple thing to solve, provided the one making the decisions has human empathy and sees all people, Thai or not, as equal human beings. Sadly, that is not the case so far.

 

Repatriated Thai citizens enter a mandatory quarantine. That is likely wise. The same could be done for returning spouses, and no doubt many would welcome 14 days with a clear end in sight vs being far away with no end in sight.

 

The comments about infidelity are unfair, as it assumes the behavior of some reflect the behavior of all. Every race and nationality can produce examples of infidelity, and no race nor nation has a monopoly on it. Similarly, one can find monogamous marriages everywhere, and that obviously includes Thailand.

 

It's time for compassion. Let families re-unite.

[Don Mega]

Just now, EricTh said:

If foreigners can't come to Thailand for xx months, maybe Thailand should allow its citizens to fly out to their spouses instead.

 

I don't see the reason why it has to be one way.

If they fly out can they enter the country their spouse is ?

[bbi1]

1 minute ago, EricTh said:

If foreigners can't come to Thailand for xx months, maybe Thailand should allow its citizens to fly out to their spouses instead.

 

I don't see the reason why it has to be one way.

Is there any restrictions in place saying Thai nationals aren't allowed to fly out to be with their spouses in the spouses country?

[JackThompson]

2 hours ago, Don Mega said:

Less people allowed entry equals a reduced chance of further infections.

 

Which part of this are you struggling with ?
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A foreigner allowed entry that has the WuFlu goes onto infect 10 other people..... Yeah I have compassion for those innocently infected.

What about this do you NOT understand? 
If five thousand came in tomorrow, and all were quarantined and then tested and released, there would be NO risk at all to anyone - not even the tiny fraction of the population who are actually put at risk from this virus.

 

I am struggling to believe you are being sincere.
 

Edited May 23, 2020 by JackThompson

[fredwiggy]

Just now, JackThompson said:

If you are of advanced-age or have diabetes or obesity issues, you might want to self-quarantine.  We have the data now - this is not dangerous to healthy non-elderly persons.

 

If in the risk-bracket, you would also want to encourage as many healthy-others to go out and mingle vigourously, so herd-immunity will be reached sooner, so you can join them ASAP. 

From age 3 to 100 and everything in between. It isn't just about old and with pre existing conditions, although that is most cases......https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/04/13/covid-young-people

[Matzzon]

4 hours ago, Don Mega said:

I'd prefer they stay locked out than risk importing the wuFlu.

What a selfish and evil comment! If it was you in that situation, you would probably change your tune. That is not an assumption. It´s a fact based on you previous comment history. So, just man up and show some compassion.

[JCP108]

2 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

What about this do you NOT understand? 
If five thousand came in tomorrow, and all were quarantined and then tested and released, there would be NO risk at all to anyone - not even the tiny fraction of the population who are actually put at risk from this virus.

 

I am struggling to believe you are being sincere.
 

The "then tested" part of that would be a problem here.

[BeltAndRoad]

4 hours ago, ezzra said:

Same issue with Australia letting out 28 million prisoners to tend to urgent matters and going back to countries where they have set up homes and families, one can understand the restrictions put on holiday makers but many of us just wanna go back home...

28 million prisoners?

[TheAceFace]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Not a very smart comment....  I'm sure your teachers taught you 'brain into gear, mouth into neutral' or... you must have read the quote 'its better to remain silent and let people think you are an idiot than to speak out and remove all doubt'.....   this is one of those discussions !!!...  leave it for those less willing to express their galactic fookwittery !

 

 

 

Richard, dont rise to the bait mate, your replies have all been appreciated. I too am in the same boat as you, been away for a while now.....because needs must to support my family, its us guys who break our balls to be able to lead a good life, dont let some strangers on this forum get to you. Some people have nothing better to do. One day they will reap what they sow. Stay safe mate and im sure you will be with your family soon, as I will. Keep safe.

[Don Mega]

1 minute ago, JackThompson said:

What about this do you NOT understand? 
If five thousand came in tomorrow, and all were quarantined and then tested and released, there would be NO risk at all to anyone - not even the tiny fraction of the population who are actually put at risk from this virus.

Quarantine is not 100% effective though, an article I read earlier mentioned 97%.

 

If thats the case then of those 5000 people 150 will possible head out into the community and spread the virus.

 

Do you seriously think this is an acceptable risk just because old matey has not been able to give his kids cuddle ?

[BritManToo]

14 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

True, some women are dirty scumbags but most when they have a fit, caring, loving family man that is taking care of them won't cheat. If they lose you, they go back to the trash they had before you, and that is truly losing face. And where did they take the survey in Thailand? Pattaya, Isaan , Chiang Mai, and how many participants from what areas? 35 million women in Thailand and a survey of a thousand or so doesn't give much of  an answer.

How unpleasant ....... 'dirty scumbags' ..... 'trash' ......... I think not.

Judge not lest ..... etc., etc.

Edited May 23, 2020 by BritManToo

[JackThompson]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I guess it depends what the objectives of the lock down is in the eyes of the Thai Government.

 

I always understood lock down as a measure to prevent further exponential spread of Covid-19 such that healthcare services are so overwhelmed that those in high risk groups and those who suffer extreme symptoms may not have access to critical care facilities (Critical Care Units, Intensive Care Units, High Dependency Care Units).

 

The healthcare services have not been overwhelmed. While the extent, effects and impact of Covid-19 without the benefit of any other knowledge lock-down was the correct decision. However, we now know a lot more and the numbers, case fatality rates, all stats are significantly lower than modeled.

This is the point.  The goal was never to "stop" the virus itself - just ensure that the few severely impacted could get medical-care, by slowing the spread.  The models were based on junk-code - bad software - combined with bad input-data.  Now all govts have to pretend they "did the right thing" by wrecking lives, businesses, and entire economies.  It's all "CYA" now.

 

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I wonder if this virus is any more severe than seasonal influenza. Given that between 300,000 and 650,000 people die each year from seasonal influenza, I would like to see updated models based on the latest case fatality rates.

It isn't more dangerous overall - slightly more to over 65s - but FAR less (few or no symptoms, even) to those who are younger.  Look at the updated Sweeden data - risk of death per age-group vs risk of dying if contracting COVID.  For almost all demographics, the risk of death by something else is higher.  And that was with NO lockdown - just gatherings over 50 persons stopped.

[newcomer71]

1 minute ago, Don Mega said:

Quarantine is not 100% effective though, an article I read earlier mentioned 97%.

 

If thats the case then of those 5000 people 150 will possible head out into the community and spread the virus.

 

Do you seriously think this is an acceptable risk just because old matey has not been able to give his kids cuddle ?

Look at your last sentence and you will understand you are a sad lad... Don't you think that kids need love from their dads/moms too? Do you have a heart?
Plus... Each Thai who enters Thailand must be tested BEFORE leave the country they are in.
Test + Quarantine is not enough for you to be deemed safe? 
This is my last post on the matter as it is just a waste of time...

[bbi1]

3 minutes ago, BeltAndRoad said:

28 million prisoners?

Lol that's more than the entire population of Australia! I guess you could say Aussies are prisoners as they are stuck on a big island, but there are just under 25 million people on the island. Don't know where the other 3 million people came from by that poster lol

[TheAceFace]

1 hour ago, bbi1 said:

It's obvious they didn't.

I would love to meet you, obviously you have no family. 

[metisdead]

Some more inflammatory posts and replies have been removed. 

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, JackThompson said:

This is the point.  The goal was never to "stop" the virus itself - just ensure that the few severely impacted could get medical-care, by slowing the spread.  The models were based on junk-code - bad software - combined with bad input-data.  Now all govts have to pretend they "did the right thing" by wrecking lives, businesses, and entire economies.  It's all "CYA" now.

I doubt the freedom we previously had to move between countries will ever come back.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, BritManToo said:

How unpleasant ....... 'dirty scumbags' ..... I think not.

Judge not lest ..... etc., etc.

If the shoe fits. I judge because I wouldn't stoop so low as to be unfaithful to a wife that I love and care about. The worst way you can hurt someone is to cheat on them. That is a very disturbed mind at work. If you don't want to be with someone because they have hurt you in some way, leave.