Trump orders big U.S. troop cut in Germany, official says

[mtls2005]

As this "order" was issued shortly after his call with putin, hard to know if this was done:

 

1.) For vladdy daddy

2.) Because of a temper-tantrum after getting diised by Merkel

3.) As a message to the "military"

 

 

 

 

[a340bangla1]

14 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Trump is probably sulking from Merkel's thwart to attend the G7 meeting. He didn't consult the NATO alliance partners and just pull this rug off Merkel's feet. Nothing strategic but simply a childish retaliation. . 

Exactly that.

Remains to be said that a lot of the presence of the US military in Germany is to their own advantage, like being a transit point to the middle east. Many soldiers coming back from battle zones in the middle east were first treated in hospitals in Germany. So maybe in future this will be done in Poland. I say good riddance.

[stevenl]

18 minutes ago, Traubert said:

Could even pay some debt off. Good plan.

Never going to happen during Trump's tenure.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Did you miss the part where only some of the 9000 are going home. The majority are going to poland and other allied countries.

I didn't miss anything and your post is nothing to do with what I actually said. Hint "should".

[geriatrickid]

4 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Yes, lets remove all US troops from all over the world certainly tired supporting all these weak non appreciative countries who hate the US and would spit in their face.

 

I am sure the Chinese and North Korea have many troops available and will actually pay these countries to offer professional protection and security services.

Good luck.

There are a couple  of details that you seem yo have missed. Those European bases support the US military deployment around the world, which assert US strategic economic and  military interests. Without  airforce bases in Europe how do you propose the US support  (refuel/maintain) its military aircraft in both a  financially prudent and  efficient strategic manner?

Where do you wish  injured US military  personnel to  be evacuated to when injured? Are you aware that without  something like Landstuhl Regional Medical Center (LRMC) most seriously wounded personnel from Iraq or Afghanistan would have died? It has 1200+ US military personnel at this one location.

How do you propose the USA undertake spying and intelligence gathering operations on other countries without active bases in other countries?

Close the Japanese bases and  the USA loses the Pacific and China moves about freely, uncontained.

 

Do you people ever think these things through? The USA is not independent, nor self sufficient. It relies on  exports to foreign markets and  revenues derived from foreign operations. The USA also relies on the import of key finished goods, food and  raw materials. How do you propose that the USA  protect its trade interests if its navy lacks foreign naval bases, or its  airforce foreign  airfields, or its special forces and army, forward operating positions?

[wwest5829]

5 hours ago, meechai said:

Oh Puleeze

 

This is a good move & this type of draw down should continue at many of the USA's military bases worldwide

 

Military budget has been insane for decades & needs to be reduced.

If countries like Germany feel threatened <sic> by Russia then they can hire or increase their security as they feel needs to be

................ON THEIR DIME !!

 

For this Democrat to try & turn this into a claim of a  "huge gift" for Russia is pure Political BS

 

 

We might question current motivation but I concur. With 800+ US military installations globally and the large budget demand I want to see a draw down of the large American export ... death and destruction.

[sawadee1947]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Considering Democrats claim to be the "peace party" that's a bit much.

 

It's time Europe defended itself instead of depending on the US to do so, so good job Mt Trump. He should withdraw all the front line troops and just leave a stockpile of weapons in the event of active hostilities. Let the Germans, Italians, Greeks etc fund their own front line troops.

Totally BS. Without even a bit of knowledge. 

US is not able to continue their world wide wars without their bases in Germany (Landshut, Ramstein) . All actions are taken from Germany.(Drones eg) 

Trump's words were just for his voters. Another blabla, 

 

[4737 Carlin]

A sensible move. They'll be needed back home given the insurrection and potential for civil war.

[Sujo]

2 hours ago, steven100 said:

   i almost spluttered my coffee all over the table .....   silly comment  !

Well they do have form. You are either with us or against us.

 

Australia has a policy of not providing troops unless asked. The US keeps asking for our help so we keep giving it.

[earlinclaifornia]

2 hours ago, Enzian said:

The left complains about interference abroad and endless wars, until something like this comes out. No matter what Trump does they will find a way to criticize and distort, like their distortion of his statements regarding George Floyd.

It is aways those "Left" Sad you choose blame others for failures of trump. Just like the loser has trained you.

[CorpusChristie]

6 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

It is aways those "Left" Sad you choose blame others for failures of trump. Just like the loser has trained you.

Explain how this is a "failure of Trump " ?

[digger70]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Trump orders big U.S. troop cut in Germany, official says

I agree , there's no need for the US to have Any troops in any country except their own. 

If a country want's to start a war a few troops won't stop that . 

The US can Deploy troops within a Few HRS.

Anyway if the war country want's to be Real smart than they can Send a few Nukes and there are no troops that can stop them.

[Baerboxer]

5 hours ago, TEFLKrabi said:

Um, the euro Germans and Italians against some other Euros. We Euros would like to thanks the US for turning up late twice and wish they’d stop trying to start a Third World War. We’d be happy to defend ourselves as we’ve been busy making friends for 70 years, not making enemies. ????????‍♂️

 

Indeed. To be fair, the US has more than helped keep the peace that fostered friendships. To also be fair, they did come late into two world wars; and did make a lot of money out of each!

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, geriatrickid said:

There are a couple  of details that you seem yo have missed. Those European bases support the US military deployment around the world, which assert US strategic economic and  military interests. Without  airforce bases in Europe how do you propose the US support  (refuel/maintain) its military aircraft in both a  financially prudent and  efficient strategic manner?

Where do you wish  injured US military  personnel to  be evacuated to when injured? Are you aware that without  something like Landstuhl Regional Medical Center (LRMC) most seriously wounded personnel from Iraq or Afghanistan would have died? It has 1200+ US military personnel at this one location.

How do you propose the USA undertake spying and intelligence gathering operations on other countries without active bases in other countries?

Close the Japanese bases and  the USA loses the Pacific and China moves about freely, uncontained.

 

Do you people ever think these things through? The USA is not independent, nor self sufficient. It relies on  exports to foreign markets and  revenues derived from foreign operations. The USA also relies on the import of key finished goods, food and  raw materials. How do you propose that the USA  protect its trade interests if its navy lacks foreign naval bases, or its  airforce foreign  airfields, or its special forces and army, forward operating positions?

 

Most, certainly all developed, countries rely on international trade in the globalized world.

 

How many maintain large numbers of military bases world wide?

 

Certainly not the UK, Germany, France or other EU member states. Nor Australia, NZ, Canada, or Asian countries. 

 

China and Russia it seems are keen to expand. 

 

 

[chilli42]

5 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Bailed the Euros out of two world wars. Enough is enough. 

 

MAGA 

Funny that.  For years I thought it was the Russians who won WWII.  Now I know it was really the USA. How embarrassing.  

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, geriatrickid said:

There are a couple  of details that you seem yo have missed. Those European bases support the US military deployment around the world, which assert US strategic economic and  military interests. Without  airforce bases in Europe how do you propose the US support  (refuel/maintain) its military aircraft in both a  financially prudent and  efficient strategic manner?

Where do you wish  injured US military  personnel to  be evacuated to when injured? Are you aware that without  something like Landstuhl Regional Medical Center (LRMC) most seriously wounded personnel from Iraq or Afghanistan would have died? It has 1200+ US military personnel at this one location.

How do you propose the USA undertake spying and intelligence gathering operations on other countries without active bases in other countries?

Close the Japanese bases and  the USA loses the Pacific and China moves about freely, uncontained.

 

Do you people ever think these things through? The USA is not independent, nor self sufficient. It relies on  exports to foreign markets and  revenues derived from foreign operations. The USA also relies on the import of key finished goods, food and  raw materials. How do you propose that the USA  protect its trade interests if its navy lacks foreign naval bases, or its  airforce foreign  airfields, or its special forces and army, forward operating positions?

I'm not saying that the US should abandon its overseas bases, but I am saying it's time to reduce the teeth arms component. There is no need to have them when the host countries do not think it's necessary to have decent sized military forces of their own. If the host countries want a military to protect them build up their own forces.

I'm pretty sure the US pays rent for the land on which their bases sit.

[DB58]

5 hours ago, meechai said:

 

Fear mongering plain and simple

 

You think Russia or China in this day & age would attack a sovereign country? You really think Russia wants to invade Europe?

 

Too much TV ...step back...This is not the same world Churchill, Eisenhower or others from the Military Industrial Complex were from

 

PS: Elections never left the Republic of the United States of America & the USA is not a Democracy but a Constitutional Republic thank you very much

Hmm wonder how someone living in the Ukraine world answer... 

[stevenl]

19 minutes ago, candide said:

Quite interesting. Two comments:

- taking into account that European countries are unlikely to be threatened by China or the US, it shows that the European military budget is not ridiculous compared to Rußia. It's more an issue of rationalisation and organization.

- costs are different according to countries. As calculation based on PPP would show Rusia and China as more powerfull than in this figure.

I think USA is including military pensions in these numbers, others are not.

[Scott Tracy]

25,000 troops is almost the same size as the UK army reserve and 1/3 of the regular army. As a direct comparison.

Just over 10% of the Royal Thai Army...

[hugocnx]

5 hours ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

you mean brainwashed a generation to go die for no reason, so big companies could go sell their <deleted> in europe ?

 

you know that education is free in Europe (or most countries) ?

you know that healthcare is CHEAP in Europe ? No need to become bankrupt after a heart attack

you know people get a state pension in Europe even they never worked ?

 

What planet are you from?

[hugocnx]

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Trump is probably sulking from Merkel's thwart to attend the G7 meeting. He didn't consult the NATO alliance partners and just pull this rug off Merkel's feet. Nothing strategic but simply a childish retaliation. . 

Yes, retaliation but not for G7 but for Germany not contributing their 2% to Nato.

[Eric Loh]

15 minutes ago, hugocnx said:

Yes, retaliation but not for G7 but for Germany not contributing their 2% to Nato.

Grossly wrong. 
https://m.dw.com/en/germany-to-match-us-contribution-to-nato-budget/a-51446211

[featography]

9 hours ago, meechai said:

Oh Puleeze

 

This is a good move & this type of draw down should continue at many of the USA's military bases worldwide

 

Military budget has been insane for decades & needs to be reduced.

If countries like Germany feel threatened <sic> by Russia then they can hire or increase their security as they feel needs to be

................ON THEIR DIME !!

 

For this Democrat to try & turn this into a claim of a  "huge gift" for Russia is pure Political BS

 

 

I'm thinking he ought to put X number of them on the US /Mex border. Install a base, let them practice maneuvers along the full length of the border. 

[TEFLKrabi]

6 hours ago, Benmart said:

Better late than never, and perhaps look at European history. So called friends today, are tomorrows enemies. As for "We Euros". Are you some sort of spokesperson for all Europeans? 

555....nope, not a spokesperson.....just a European....and someone happy to actually have some history to look back on. 

[micmichd]

4 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

Totally BS. Without even a bit of knowledge. 

US is not able to continue their world wide wars without their bases in Germany (Landshut, Ramstein) . All actions are taken from Germany.(Drones eg) 

Trump's words were just for his voters. Another blabla, 

 

Trump is only talking about human resources anyway, not about technical equipment. 

[Dap]

8 hours ago, LomSak27 said:

The socialist jobs program that is the US military needs to end.

 

1.3 million employed ????. A good 300,000 needs to be given their walking papers immediately . If Trump wants out of NATO and out of defense agreements with Korea, and bully for him. Then the trimming of the bloated defense budget can really begin.

Yeah! Good call.

[Moo 2]

Easy to work this one out, Trump needs 10 thousand troupes to control protesters in Washington DC,

so here your are, he only needs to find an other 500 troupers, too easy!

[puipuitom]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Putin will be delighted.

You think, OPutin can afford expensive military adventures ? if so, he would have done that in Ukraine.

A 140 million begger nation, with only oil and gas to export, which are now "in the basement" for prices... OK, with a defence force of entire Europe not more as a third rank nation a 30 eyars ago, even with one battallion you can conquer all from Helsinki to Cork.

[rvaviator]

7 hours ago, Logosone said:

Germany needs US troops on its soil like Trump needs a hole in his head, ie not at all.

 

It's wonderful news the Yanks are going. Good for America, which saves money by putting GIs in much cheaper dreary Poland, but even better for Germany where defense will become an issue and the long hard path to nuclear weapons and a stronger army can commence.

 

It's long overdue that Germany build a proper defence umbrella itself. It has the resources and technological know-how to become a major nuclear power. Having US troops on German soil, subject only to US law, the way Europeans were only subject to European laws when occupying China is humiliating and unbecoming for a great nation like Germany.

 

Not that Russia is any kind of threat, though, I'm more concerned about Poland. As it is right now Poland could invade Germany easily. Decades of German political failure will come home to roost unless Germany strengthens its military.

Poland invading Germany ? That would be  new one for the books would it not ????

[Logosone]

6 minutes ago, rvaviator said:

Poland invading Germany ? That would be  new one for the books would it not ????

Not at all, they invaded Germany after 1918 when Germany was in the throes of revolution and defeated in WW1. The Poles used the turmoil to annex German territories. This of course was a major cause of WW2.

 

Before that too Poles and Germans were constantly at war ever since the Poles invited the Teutonic Knights in to do what the Poles could not and defeat the Prus, then welched on the reward when the Teutonic Knights got the job done. That's how Prussians got the name, btw, by defeating the Prus for Poland.

 

Of course things have changed a little since then. We built motor ways for the Poles. We generally subsidized their backward economy and dragged it out of the 3rd world to the 1st world. However, one thing hasn't changed. The Poles still hate Germans.