Felling of British slave trader statue heats up simmering debate

[Bluespunk]

Just now, kingdong said:

On your first point you didn,t ,and I never said you did, I used the fact to prove a point,think you,'ll find at the time of slavery the workers of that era in the west weren't treated much better.

I don't see how your 'fact' has anything to do with anything I have posted and can only assume it is deflection.

 

I wouldn't celebrate anyone who mistreated their workers and do not see how such behaviour makes the trade is slavery any less vile.

[kingdong]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I don't see how your 'fact' has anything to do with anything I have posted and can only assume it is deflection.

 

I wouldn't celebrate anyone who mistreated their workers and do not see how such behaviour makes the trade is slavery any less vile.

Now we,'ve got the deflection card,

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Now we,'ve got the deflection card,

Really, just a card.

 

OK then explain what the American Civil War has to do with any post or point I have made.

 

Direct link to what I wrote please.

Edited June 9, 2020 by Bluespunk

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

Ye reap as ye sew.

It's supposed to be sow not sew oh man who knows everything,anyway lighten up,it needs a few mere mortals to make people like you so great.

[Bluespunk]

Just now, kingdong said:

It's supposed to be sow not sew oh man who knows everything,anyway lighten up,it needs a few mere mortals to make people like you so great.

Might want to reread my edited post, I have asked you to explain how your deflection raising the point of the American Civil War relates to any point I have made in this thread.

[tribalfusion001]

The MSM have got hold of this story now. It's a game and protecting memorials means that you are being played. Look at the video (daily mail article) in Hoddesdon, white males "protecting" a memorial shouting out "why don't you go back to africa", I think that could be called racist!

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11816796/statue-cecil-rhodes-oxford/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8401935/Sadiq-Khan-calls-Londons-slave-trader-statues-removed-orders-landmarks-review.html

Edited June 9, 2020 by tribalfusion001

[kingdong]

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Might want to reread my edited post, I have asked you to explain how your deflection raising the point of the American Civil War relates to any point I have made in this thread.

Pointing out how things were at that time in history anyway would love to sit swapping pleasantries with you however i,m late for my sewing circle.

Edited June 9, 2020 by kingdong

[Bluespunk]

Just now, kingdong said:

Pointing out things were at that time in history anyway would love to sit swapping pleasantries with you however i,m late for my sewing circle.

Thought not

[norfolkandchance]

Hopefully Millwall supporters and affiliated groups will get a good result this weekend.

[kingdong]

24 minutes ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

...rather ironic.

When Churchill died his body was taken down the Thames in a procession. He was unpopular with many in the working class, having come from a privileged family. The socialist dockers were unhappy at being asked to to lower their cranes on the Thames as the boat passed, they had to be paid to do so. Millwall football club has historically drawn it's support from docker workers on the Isle of Dogs, Canary Wharf area, the original site of their ground and now over the river from Bermondsey, Surrey Docks, Rotherhithe and the docks to Tower Bridge. The current site of their ground.

Millwall fans guarding Churchill's statue? Are they being paid one wonders

Millwall got its support from South london,the North of the thames Dockers supported West ham,there has always been bitter rivalry between the East London and South london Dockers especially amongst the football supporters of millwall and West ham,however think you,'ll find them standing shoulder to shoulder to protect the statues against criminal damage,and yes millwall fc did originate from canning town but moved to cold blow lane well over a hundred years ago.

Edited June 9, 2020 by kingdong

[tribalfusion001]

I'm pretty shocked at this counter protest in Hoddesdon yesterday, the "defenders" shouting out "why don't you go back to africa" and "get your tits out for the lads", these people don't represent my culture as being English and British. They are only there to hurl racist abuse at people and start a fight. After seeing this I'll be signing up to the movement for change, disgusting in the 21st century UK.????

 

https://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/news/hertfordshire-news/black-lives-matter-shocking-video-4207130

Edited June 9, 2020 by tribalfusion001

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

I made a sarcastic comment to make a point about the unlawfullness of toppling statues by people intent on a public disorder act. The whole point is not about what I think about the statue but about people taking the law into their own hands, that is not democracy, if the yobs feel so strongly about the statue they should campaign and if there is enough people in agreement with them then by all means remove it, but lets not go down the route of facism and remove items or relics we personally don't like.

What next vegans removing statues of meat eaters because they don't agree with their dietary intake. Where will all this end, we all must stay within the law, surely you must agree with that?

On no. The giant swinging pork pie at Melton Mobray could be at risk!

Edited June 9, 2020 by nauseus
swinging

[Logosone]

Never mind Churchill. German lives matter.

 

In that spirit I look forward to the statue of that evil murderer of women and children and civilians, Butcher Harris, to be thrown in the river.

 

Do not delay to right this wrong and injustice. 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There is no evidence that the pyramids were built by slaves.

 

Away with you and your fake history.

 

The rest of your post is laughable nonsense.

Must have been WImpey then.

[nauseus]

31 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

I'm pretty shocked at this counter protest in Hoddesdon yesterday, the "defenders" shouting out "why don't you go back to africa" and "get your tits out for the lads", these people don't represent my culture as being English and British. They are only there to hurl racist abuse at people and start a fight. After seeing this I'll be signing up to the movement for change, disgusting in the 21st century UK.????

 

https://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/news/hertfordshire-news/black-lives-matter-shocking-video-4207130

So I suppose then that the criminal destruction done so far does represent your English and British culture?

[CorpusChristie]

34 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

. They are only there to hurl racist abuse at people and start a fight.

You said ^

 

They said

"It's believed those opposing the event were standing there to protect the town's war memorial after seeing statues defaced in other protests across the UK."

[nauseus]

12 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Never mind Churchill. German lives matter.

 

In that spirit I look forward to the statue of that evil murderer of women and children and civilians, Butcher Harris, to be thrown in the river.

 

Do not delay to right this wrong and injustice. 

Er  who?

[nauseus]

Just now, tribalfusion001 said:

No it does not, but hurling abuse at mainly women is disgusting behaviour. I soon as I read that football fans were "defending" memorials, that actually transpires to racist thugs provoking a response.

I think that the provoking has already been done. These 'thugs' are responding. What else can anyone expect?

[tribalfusion001]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I think that the provoking has already been done. These 'thugs' are responding. What else can anyone expect?

No one needs to respond, they are looking for a fight. Brain dead white chavs, not my type of people.

[evadgib]

Just now, tribalfusion001 said:

Looks like nazi salutes to me and taken from the article.

 

As do these...

[tribalfusion001]

Just now, evadgib said:

As do these...

You got me there damn

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

No one needs to respond, they are looking for a fight. Brain dead white chavs, not my type of people.

They claimed to be there to protect their town, just incase the protestors went on the rampage .

  Considering there was no violence , you are wrong with your allegation, if they wanted to fight, they would have, but, they didn't 

[evadgib]

Just now, tribalfusion001 said:

You got me there damn

TBH it's surprisingly easy for either side to jump to the wrong conclusions based on content as we have just amply proved. 

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, tribalfusion001 said:

No one needs to respond, they are looking for a fight. Brain dead white chavs, not my type of people.

 If I could read the future as you can ( predicting the type of people who will turn up for a possible future event) I wouldn,t be wasting my time on this forumn,i,d be out skinting William hills,any tips for the 3.30 at haydock park tomorrow?

[tribalfusion001]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

They claimed to be there to protect their town, just incase the protestors went on the rampage .

  Considering there was no violence , you are wrong with your allegation, if they wanted to fight, they would have, but, they didn't 

The police were there separating them and wouldn't been a fair fight anyway. These people were not rampagers, 300 young people having a peaceful protest and got hurled abuse for doing it.

[3NUMBAS]

THE ROMAN ARMY SIEZED LOTS OF uk SLAVES and then shipped them to rome to be sold

in fact they found slaves all over the roman empire

then came the barbary pirates who sold a few slaves in turkey

[tribalfusion001]

2 minutes ago, evadgib said:

TBH it's surprisingly easy for either side to jump to the wrong conclusions based on content as we have just amply proved. 

Social media and MSM driven to stir up trouble. I said few days ago that this is unstoppable and it looks likely to be so.

 

Maybe premier league football and pubs open will calm it down.

[CorpusChristie]

Just now, tribalfusion001 said:

The police were there separating them and wouldn't been a fair fight anyway. These people were not rampagers, 300 young people having a peaceful protest and got hurled abuse for doing it.

No, there were 150 Defenders v 300 attackers .

If they wanted a fight, they would have got one .

The police wouldn't had been able to stop it .

No violence at all , yes they were peaceful protests , but, would the attackers gone on the rampage if the defenders werent there ?

[evadgib]

Just now, tribalfusion001 said:

Social media and MSM driven to stir up trouble. I said few days ago that this is unstoppable and it looks likely to be so.

 

Maybe premier league football and pubs open will calm it down.

Not as quickly as going back to work will.

HMG should consign their over reaction to this covid lark to the history books.

[tribalfusion001]

5 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

No, there were 150 Defenders v 300 attackers .

If they wanted a fight, they would have got one .

The police wouldn't had been able to stop it .

No violence at all , yes they were peaceful protests , but, would the attackers gone on the rampage if the defenders werent there ?

Choice of language won't solve this, defenders and attackers. I've been reading the comments in the Mail Online and The Sun today, it's all a game to rile people up and create division. The best way of dealing with is Not defending memorials with rival groups.