In London skirmishes, suspected far-right protester is rescued

[Sujo]

6 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Nip it at the bud or you lose control of the Country. Then its all over.

Correct. Thats what the protesters want. To nip the racism in the bud.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

Here is a more balanced view from the BBC .

Right wing terror related arrests went from 6 % to 10 % of all terror related arrests

Teenagers posting on-line about kidnapping Prince Harry were part of that group who have been arrested .

  The reason for the increase from 6 % to 10 % is that the Police now monitor more websites and have introduced measures where people can report posts (to them).

  Has there been a increase in right-wing activity or are the police now just paying in more attention and therefore a higher arrest rate ?

   Are the Left  Ant Theether mob trying to portray all the statue defenders as being far right extremists and part of the biggest (growing )terror threat in the UK ? 

  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-49753325

 

According to the police there is an increase in right wing activity.

[evadgib]

16 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

I suppose no photo of the crack to his head that put him down

...or what became of him afterwards? As yet detail has not been forthcoming despite numerous claims to the contrary which the claimants are unable to verify.

Edited June 20, 2020 by evadgib

[CorpusChristie]

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Dont be stupid. That is a different discretion. That is a most serious offence. That discretion is when the officer can safely arrest, or maybe wait. Yes that discretion would well be to let the guy go home until a safe arrest can be made.

 

Well yes so they have to arrest him , when they arrest him is irrelevant 

My point was that its not up to individual police officers whether to arrest people for serious offences 

  I do understand what you mean about police choosing not to arrest offenders because it could put them in danger or escalate the situation if they are heavily outnumbered or out gunned

[Rimmer]

A troll post and some replies have been removed

[johnnybangkok]

6 hours ago, Sujo said:

young man. I was a police officer then a prosecutor. The law is not the law. It is also the intent of the law.

 

If a military officer attended uk parliament in his uniform it is illegal, it is unlawful. So say general mattis attended uk parliament in uniform he should be arrested. But he wouldnt be.

 

Police resources are not to be wasted on frivilous matters and judges frequently berate police for charging people with offences that whilst illegal are not in the spirit or intent for which the law was enacted.

 

Police will often caution an offender instead of arrest because to arrest they will use a lot of resources for little gain.

 

The oath police take is subject to directions from above. If an officer is doing surveillance but notices a jaywalker he isnt going to jeapordise his case just to arrest a jaywalker. But according to you he must.

 

Police are not bound to arrest anyone and everyone breaking the law. They have discretion. Move on.

This

[johnnybangkok]

6 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

OK, so if you were on patrol in uniform and you saw one man murder another man , would it be up to your discretion to intervene or just walk on by without taking action ?

 Would it be completely up to your discretion about whether you make an arrest or not , could you just say , "I didnt like the murdered guy either, so, you can go home unarrested"?

   You talk about "frivolous matters " ; 56 Police officers getting injured and property destroyed is hardly a frivolously matter , two different issues .

  Yes, "frivolous " matters are often overlooked , but thats not what we are talking about, is it .

Even when the man has identified himself as an actual expert in what you are Trying desperately to paint differently from reality, you think now is the time to double down with an example that I could even give you the answer to. 

Unless of course you were once a policeman AND a prosecutor as well?

[CorpusChristie]

6 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Even when the man has identified himself as an actual expert in what you are Trying desperately to paint differently from reality, you think now is the time to double down with an example that I could even give you the answer to. 

Unless of course you were once a policeman AND a prosecutor as well?

Whilst I accept that at times , the Police can act with discretion , like if a guys in a park and needs to take pee and theres no toilets available, no need to arrest him for public exposure , act with discretion then .

  If that same guy picks up a petrol bomb and fire bombs a house , he needs to get arrested and to face charges 

[Loiner]

6 hours ago, stevenl said:

According to the police there is an increase in right wing activity.

But as it is apparently only in protecting statues, shouldn’t they exercise some of that discretion?

[CorpusChristie]

We got there in the end ...............

[EricTh]

What does far-right means in this case? 

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, EricTh said:

What does far-right means in this case? 

'Far Right' is a flag of convenience spoonfed to the gullible in order to mask reality.

[torturedsole]

Pathetic turnout at BLM rally in London today, hence only half a dozen community support officers surrounding Churchill's statue.  That soon died off.  

[simple1]

2 hours ago, EricTh said:

What does far-right means in this case? 

There are a number of definitions which describe today's far right movements according to their ideology, take your pick...

 

Historically used to describe the experiences of fascism and Nazism,^[7] today far-right politics includes neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, Third Position, the alt-right, white nationalism,^[8] and other ideologies or organizations that feature aspects of ultranationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, homophobic, anti-communist, or reactionary views

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics

 

 

Edited June 20, 2020 by simple1

[tribalfusion001]

1 hour ago, torturedsole said:

Pathetic turnout at BLM rally in London today, hence only half a dozen community support officers surrounding Churchill's statue.  That soon died off.  

There was quite a few thousand in the end, there was 3 demos that came together near Trafalgar Square. Hyde Park, Parliament Square and Vauxhall bridge came together, no trouble at all this week.

[simple1]

12 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

 

 

You dont have to keep storming off all the time .

Contrary to forum rules you have quoted me out of context by editing my posts. I gave reasons for ending communicating with a few members in this topic due to their repeated deflections regarding right of centre activity in the UK - I did not storm off, which is another misrepresentation.

[TopDeadSenter]

1 minute ago, Slip said:

Words fail me.  You truly are a despicable ****.

I see the double standards are hitting you hard. The George Floyd cop represents all white people, yet this stabber does not represent all black people. Got it.

[tribalfusion001]

1 minute ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I see the double standards are hitting you hard. The George Floyd cop represents all white people, yet this stabber does not represent all black people. Got it.

This was a terror attack nothing to do with BLM or Antifa. I presume your American, keep your guns and politics we don't need the influence in our country.

[Rookiescot]

7 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I see the double standards are hitting you hard. The George Floyd cop represents all white people, yet this stabber does not represent all black people. Got it.

It was a suspected terror attack. A Libyan has been arrested. 

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I see the double standards are hitting you hard. The George Floyd cop represents all white people, yet this stabber does not represent all black people. Got it.

Apparently you did not get this, Floyd, or anything else regarding racism.

[tribalfusion001]

3 minutes ago, Slip said:

Don't put words into my mouth you revolting little weasel.  No more from me.

Pathetic, people trying to stoke up race wars and I've seen the same on groups I'm following on Facebook. I've actually gone from right to left during this whole movement starting, sick of the racist attitudes.

[Yinn]

23 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Pathetic, people trying to stoke up race wars and I've seen the same on groups I'm following on Facebook. I've actually gone from right to left during this whole movement starting, sick of the racist attitudes.

Fight about “left” and “right”, “black and “white”, black statues about dead white people etc is stupid IMO.

Nonsense. For what?

 

I also see the westerner news argue about coronavirus and “left” and “right”. 

 

Is “Ideology”. Corona not care about left and right. 

People should work together. Stop argue and fight about “left and right.”

Sensible is better. Must use the brain for the situation. Every situation is different. Not follow the ideology of “right” or “left” team. 

 

Burning cars, business, fighting each other, etc is stupid. Attack a statue is same children fight about dolls. They not real thing. Not help anything.

 

You say you “gone from left to right”. How you do it? Can you explain a bit for me please. Simple English better.

 

Thankyou

 

[Rimmer]

Off topic post and a couple of replies removed

[sungod]

On 6/18/2020 at 8:32 PM, Bluespunk said:

guy carried is ex copper

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/18/man-rescued-by-uk-black-lives-matter-protester-is-ex-police-officer?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Some more here, he says he was set upon by the BLM protesters for no reason.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/retired-policeman-rescued-protests-says-22222474

[sungod]

Violence against the police yesterday at the BLM protest in Glasgow too, socialists workers party, Green Brigade (Celtic football hooligans) etc.

[Bluespunk]

17 minutes ago, sungod said:

Some more here, he says he was set upon by the BLM protesters for no reason.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/retired-policeman-rescued-protests-says-22222474

Now he says there was 'no reason' for him being attacked...fair enough, if true hopefully those who attacked him for 'no reason' will be found and questioned about the attack.

 

I'd be very interested to know their side of the story...

[johnnybangkok]

10 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Whilst I accept that at times , the Police can act with discretion , like if a guys in a park and needs to take pee and theres no toilets available, no need to arrest him for public exposure , act with discretion then .

  If that same guy picks up a petrol bomb and fire bombs a house , he needs to get arrested and to face charges 

As has been explained to you many, many times, at the BLM demos, 230 arrests have been made and the police have released 35 images of people wanted for criminal damage   https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-20/black-lives-matter-protests-london/

At the 'protect the statues' demo, over 100 arrests were made. You make it sound like the police just idly sat by whilst criminal activity took place yet the number of arrests immediately negate that argument.

Stop trying to fit YOUR bias into YOUR narrative. The facts tell a different story. 

 

[johnnybangkok]

8 hours ago, torturedsole said:

Pathetic turnout at BLM rally in London today, hence only half a dozen community support officers surrounding Churchill's statue.  That soon died off.  

There was still thousands and plenty going on around other cities, including 500 in Glasgow. That's a lot more than these far-right and football hooligans could ever muster

[evadgib]

9 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

There was still thousands and plenty going on around other cities, including 500 in Glasgow. That's a lot more than these far-right and football hooligans could ever muster

Correct, but only because there's nowhere near as many 'far right' as you'd have us believe. The majority are ordinary decent people refusing to bow to a mob.

[evadgib]

55 minutes ago, sungod said:

Some more here, he says he was set upon by the BLM protesters for no reason.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/retired-policeman-rescued-protests-says-22222474

They say he says...

 

Matey presumably passed standard vetting in order to be a BTP plod. Whether or not he later lost or did anything to jeopardize his vetting status isn't clear but until the public hear his account in his own words the exact circumstances of what happened last week will remain a mystery. If dozens of cameras and hundreds of people can be caught in the much lauded iconic footage of his alleged rescue why has nothing emerged showing what happened immediately before or afterwards?