Americans won't be in any travel bubble agreements anytime soon!

[Jingthing]

This is very depressing for Americans that want (or need) to travel internationally, but we may as well face it.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/with-coronavirus-american-travelers-are-about-to-find-out-what-its-like-to-be-the-pariah

 

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American Travelers Are About to Be Pariahs in This New World

 

Our passports which we've seen as among the best in the world for freedom of travel are becoming among the worst.

 

For now anyway but there is no reason to think that will improve anytime soon.

 

Why? The virus of course. The USA has handled it badly and what country in their right mind will be welcoming Americans en masse anytime soon. Four percent of the world population and twenty-five percent of the deaths. A case curve now considerably worse than the EU, which previously was a center of infections. We really can't blame them any more than we can blame the USA for it's own health related travel bans. 

 

People are welcome to comment on how this "pariah passport" thing has impacted on their travel plans. I'm sure for many it's trivial but for others travel restrictions are a critical burden.

 

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Note -- Perhaps this would fit better in another forum, such as Home Country or Travel?

 

 

Edited June 17, 2020 by Jingthing

[Thailand]

Not even with China?

[samsensam]

 

brazil?

[timendres]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Why? The virus of course. The USA has handled it badly and what country in their right mind will be welcoming Americans en masse anytime soon. Four percent of the world population and twenty-five percent of the deaths. A case curve now considerably worse than the EU, which previously was a center of infections. We really can't blame them any more than we can blame the USA for it's own health related travel bans. 

There is the possibility that in one year's time, the US and the UK are the ones in charge with herd immunity. But if this thing is like influenza, in that it never disappears, keeps popping up, and is not really that lethal, then it will not matter in the end.

[HashBrownHarry]

I know Americans that have never stopped travelling regularly throughout the last 3 months, no restrictions.

 

Are you another doomer that thinks it's the end of the world.

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, samsensam said:

 

brazil?

Yes obviously there are other virus related pariah passports and Brazil would be one of them. We don't have many Brazilians posting here though and I posted an article about the American situation if that's OK with you 

[Traubert]

7 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

I know Americans that have never stopped travelling regularly throughout the last 3 months, no restrictions.

 

Are you another doomer that thinks it's the end of the world.

Which countries let them in?

[HashBrownHarry]

1 minute ago, Traubert said:

Which countries let them in?

UK ( airports never were closed which was a massive error IMO ) other EU countries / West African countries to are the ones i have 1st hand knowledge of, i'm sure there's more.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Traubert said:

Which countries let them in?

Certainly not Thailand.

Latin America (even though most of it is doing badly) may be more open to Americans sooner than Europe and Asia.

Obviously each specific country has and will have their own policies including their own bubble deals. 

[Why Me]

I've been wondering about this. If I've been in Thailand for at least a month before departing (easy to check from my passport) in which time suppose there's been 0 cases here, why would I be of any concern to my destination?

 

Unless, of course, they only look at nationality in which case Americans are screwed.

[Traubert]

In China, you fill in a form on the aircraft which details your movements for the past two weeks (maybe longer now) on penalty of severe dire straits if you lie. I wouldn't recommend it. Then you get interrogated at immi before heading off to quarantine for two/three weeks. I'm fairly sure something equally stringent will happen in these travel bubbles minus the quarantine.

[Keyser Soze666]

An impossible task but would anyone even like to even guess when say Brits and Yanks will be able to freely travel anywhere or come into Thailand again without expensive insurance/quarantine etc..or to put it another way as they did before?

 

This really is a gigantic mess.

[Jingthing]

There is an aspect of this that hasn't been discussed yet. Suppose Thailand makes a bubble deal with Vietnam where people can travel between those two countries without quarantine. Be clear that such deals almost definitely will be based on passports. So if you're an American expat who hasn't left Thailand in 20 years, you won't be in that bubble. 

[Jingthing]

The basic topic here is how the USA (and some other poorly performing with the virus response countries) is viewed internationally and it's impact on travel freedom. 

 

The international perception (and I think it is true) is that the USA has given up really trying to control the virus. The R level is clearly well above 1 and there is no coordinated national plan whatsoever to bring it down. Of course it could be worse and wildly out of control like in Brazil, but the world (and most Americans) expected such an "advanced" nation as the USA to do much better. It certainly hasn't and that's going to be impacting American wannabe travelers for a long time to come. 

 

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In countries keeping the coronavirus at bay, experts watch U.S. case numbers with alarm

 

 

As coronavirus cases surge in the U.S. South and West, health experts in countries with falling case numbers are watching with a growing sense of alarm and disbelief, with many wondering why virus-stricken U.S. states continue to reopen and why the advice of scientists is often ignored.

“It really does feel like the U.S. has given up,” said Siouxsie Wiles, an infectious-diseases specialist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand — a country that has confirmed only three new cases over the past three weeks and where citizens have now largely returned to their pre-coronavirus routines.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/06/19/countries-keeping-coronavirus-bay-experts-watch-us-case-numbers-with-alarm/

 

 

 

[sirineou]

I am in Florida, what are my chances  

 

Plan B is to get a European passport. I am working on it. 

[GinBoy2]

I think we need to put this in perspective

 

https://www.statista.com/chart/21170/coronavirus-death-rate-worldwide/

[Bender Rodriguez]

there is some crazy s...t going on in US... there is a nurse putting everything online and explaining that the hospitals are killing patients, putting DNR on patients without family consultation,  students in charge instead of real Md's... experimenting .... nazi germany part 2

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=nurse+in+us+tells+truth+about+hospitals

[5633572526]

On 6/17/2020 at 6:28 PM, Jingthing said:

Yes obviously there are other virus related pariah passports and Brazil would be one of them. We don't have many Brazilians posting here though and I posted an article about the American situation if that's OK with you 

If you are expecting common sense and rational responses you are in the wrong place sadly.

[bodga]

with  only 2.2 million infections and a  population of 328million id  say a  lot of this is total krap

[bodga]

1 hour ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

there is some crazy s...t going on in US... there is a nurse putting everything online and explaining that the hospitals are killing patients, putting DNR on patients without family consultation,  students in charge instead of real Md's... experimenting .... nazi germany part 2

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=nurse+in+us+tells+truth+about+hospitals

one  whole nurse, facts  then

[rwill]

I'd rather travel in a jet than a bubble anyway.

[bkk6060]

13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The basic topic here is how the USA (and some other poorly performing with the virus response countries) is viewed internationally and it's impact on travel freedom. 

I believe the US is more disliked now then any time in recent history.

Probably hated by many.

I do not see anyone stuck there now coming back to Thailand before the end of the year.

 

[tribalfusion001]

American policeman should be stopped from travelling overseas they cause riots.

[Traubert]

8 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

I believe the US is more disliked now then any time in recent history.

Probably hated by many.

I do not see anyone stuck there now coming back to Thailand before the end of the year.

 

I agree.

[Pattaya46]

21 minutes ago, bodga said:

with  only 2.2 million infections and a  population of 328million id  say a  lot of this is total krap

Maybe... Unsure... but what people (and governments) see is :

 

[Mac98]

On 6/17/2020 at 6:28 PM, HashBrownHarry said:

I know Americans that have never stopped travelling regularly throughout the last 3 months, no restrictions.

 

Are you another doomer that thinks it's the end of the world.

Americans can't even get into Canada.

Edited June 20, 2020 by Mac98
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[Srikcir]

13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The basic topic here is how the USA (and some other poorly performing with the virus response countries) is viewed internationally and it's impact on travel freedom. 

 

The international perception (and I think it is true) is that the USA has given up really trying to control the virus. The R level is clearly well above 1 and there is no coordinated national plan whatsoever to bring it down. Of course it could be worse and wildly out of control like in Brazil, but the world (and most Americans) expected such an "advanced" nation as the USA to do much better. It certainly hasn't and that's going to be impacting American wannabe travelers for a long time to come. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/06/19/countries-keeping-coronavirus-bay-experts-watch-us-case-numbers-with-alarm/

 

 

 

It is POTUS that has given up because he can't spin the deaths of 116,000 Americans as a re-election accomplishment. Therefore, the pandemic must disappear.

So it has been responsible (mostly Democrat) state governors and city mayors who are doing the "heavy lifting" to confront coronavirus new increase in cases and deaths largely exacerbated by Trump' encouragement that the virus disappeared or become mostly insignificant. 

And it has been state supreme courts that have in 2 cases prevented local government imposition of mandatory social distancing and masks for large indoor gatherings.

There are now 2 Americas: believe in science vs believe in personal desires.

[ChouDoufu]

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

There is an aspect of this that hasn't been discussed yet. Suppose Thailand makes a bubble deal with Vietnam where people can travel between those two countries without quarantine. Be clear that such deals almost definitely will be based on passports. So if you're an American expat who hasn't left Thailand in 20 years, you won't be in that bubble. 

 

you don't know that.

 

the "deal" could be that travel will be allowed between certain countries provided a visa was granted at an embassy, no voa or e-visas for the bubble hubs.  in that case it would be up to the embassy to confirm that a foreigner requesting to enter the country has been essentially quarantined in the partner bubble country for a minimum number of days.  don't read too much into a reporter's dumbing down or summarizing or poor translation of official government statements.

 

but same-same.  i don't 'know' that to be true either.

[Traubert]

19 minutes ago, bodga said:

one  whole nurse, facts  then

She'd be believed if she was Chinese in China.

[NoshowJones]

58 minutes ago, bodga said:

with  only 2.2 million infections and a  population of 328million id  say a  lot of this is total krap

If that is true then I agree with you.