41 minutes ago, Loiner said:

So we are agreed that the EU is protectionist. Why shouldn't the UK enjoy cheaper products from anywhere in the world?

Uh? EU never wanted to stop UK to do that, and would no have any way to do so anyway.

What UK agrees with countries outside EU is not EU business. Everyone agrees on that.

43 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The trouble is also that the protection does not often extend to UK jobs, but the EU is happy to lure large UK companies to create jobs in EU peasant economies.

if you really think so, you have read Express.co.uk way too much !

What about this :

4 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

Uh? EU never wanted to stop UK to do that, and would no have any way to do so anyway.

What UK agrees with countries outside EU is not EU business. Everyone agrees on that.

Actually, it may not be their business but it most likely will affect them...favorably. If the UK lowers its tariffs without special agreements. then under world trade rules it has to grant those reductions to all members of the WTO. One of those members is the EU.

The EU is not obliged to reciprocate.

3 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Actually, it may not be their business but it most likely will affect them...favorably. If the UK lowers its tariffs without special agreements. then under world trade rules it has to grant those reductions to all members of the WTO. One of those members is the EU.

True. So it will be easier for EU to sell in UK. Thank you ????

But there is no reciprocity; EU will keep its tariff for UK wanting to sell in EU, same as with other countrie on WTO.

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Where has anyone said "they kick us out" that's correct, nobody did, it's something else you have made up. The big fat cash cow is going, it has found greener pastures for grazing.

The big fat cash cow?

With an udder full of unprecedented debts! Still grazing.

 

The big day has arrived the European Commission has laid out its vision for post-pandemic recovery funds, and it is worth 1.85 trillion euros. The plan relies on both the long-term EU budget (2021-27) and a special recovery fund.

 

EU announces financial 'firepower' of 1.85 trillion with 750 billion for COVID recovery.

 

This corresponds exactly to the UK's annual net contribution to the EU pot for 231 years.

 

So much for the fat cow.

barnier is getting angry again ,things not going his way

 

they would sooner throw  A SPANNER  in the works THAN CONCLUDE A SENSIBLE DEAL..

27 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

barnier is getting angry again ,things not going his way

 

they would sooner throw  A SPANNER  in the works THAN CONCLUDE A SENSIBLE DEAL..

Barnier was really nice over the 4 years. He has accompanied the negotiations from the very beginning until now. The UK has always sent new, unprepared cream puffs by. Always the same things, to explain to new milk faces is annoying. Now he broke off the negotiations prematurely.

That's ok.

 

Barnier only has to negotiate economically on behalf. The UK delegates on the other hand have to do a political show for the home audience.

 

I hope the EU is now going through the tough Brexit.

No free EU market access for the UK. Correct third country status for the UK also prevents that the remaining 27 countries and the other 50 non-EU countries from being worse off with there trade agreements.

And the negotiations are done.

After 5 years maybe can sit down again.

2 hours ago, kingdong said:

on your last point history repeating itself,did they ever get their bikes back?

Who knows but more importantly did they ever get their dignity back? I know that answer and so do many here.

1 hour ago, johnpetersen said:

Well, because of the disproportionately advanced age of so many Brexit supporters, it certainly will not happen in their lifetime.

I have to say the most ignorant and silliest post this week. Well done you get the award. I am sure you are old enough that you win it again soon with such generalist and sweeping statements like that chestnut you have come up with.

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I will add it to the list of things Brexiteers promised but never happened. 

 

I will add this to my list. Too many non Brits telling Brits what is good for them and give us your money. You need the EU and you need to give us your fishing rights and do what we say. Same mantra being spewed for years. Finally the people got the opportunity to say no. No more.

 

Accept it or stop talking a load of old tripe.

2 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

1. I have already explained this to you using the sugar example. Or using the example of Thai fishing. There are 1000 more examples. Let's take the UK milk farmers. for example, if the UK gets its milk from the US cheaper, what happens to UK milk producers if there is no protectionism on the part of the UK. Should they all be retrained as stockbrokers?

 

2. This is indeed an EU problem, as there are very large wage differences in the north-south divide in the EU. But Brexit will not stop companies moving to low-wage countries. Instead of moving to Poland, they are moving to India.

 

3. and that's exactly the underhanded plan. provide tax evaders with shelter. Money laundering from drugs and arms shops. Half the Russian mafia have already taken up quarters in London's villas. Yes exactly. That is the Brexit plan. Enrich themselves with evaded taxpayers' money from EU citizens. Your contribution shows me the disgusting way of thinking

 

Nice that you say it so openly and honestly. On my private life, i don't do business with criminals.

Nor will the EU do it.

1) You are trying to explain the unexplainable with selective eurobabble. Why explain for example how the EU tariff on Oranges saves our UK farmers? Now that we have left, we control which tariffs are applied, not the EU.

 

2) Post-Brexit the UK can control import of cheapened products from countries like India as necessary. While in the EU we could not control the export of jobs to low-wage countries like Poland. (Or the import of low wage and low skilled workers from there.) Glad we are out.

 

3) Nothing underhanded at all, I'm only too happy to enrich the UK with any type of money from the EU. I've been disgusted for years how the EU has taken UK money.

 

The EU will not do business with criminals???? You ARE the criminals and have been dealing with other criminals for years.

1 hour ago, Pattaya46 said:

Uh? EU never wanted to stop UK to do that, and would no have any way to do so anyway.

What UK agrees with countries outside EU is not EU business. Everyone agrees on that.

That's what EU tariffs have done to the EU, while collecting tax for the EU! Did you not understand that? 
Now that we have left, it is not EU business although they would still like it to be. Are we agreed on that?

2 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

if you really think so, you have read Express.co.uk way too much !

What about this :

None of those are any good to anybody whose job was exported to eastern EU. 

19 minutes ago, Loiner said:

1) You are trying to explain the unexplainable with selective eurobabble. Why explain for example how the EU tariff on Oranges saves our UK farmers? Now that we have left, we control which tariffs are applied, not the EU.

 

2) Post-Brexit the UK can control import of cheapened products from countries like India as necessary. While in the EU we could not control the export of jobs to low-wage countries like Poland. (Or the import of low wage and low skilled workers from there.) Glad we are out.

 

3) Nothing underhanded at all, I'm only too happy to enrich the UK with any type of money from the EU. I've been disgusted for years how the EU has taken UK money.

 

The EU will not do business with criminals???? You ARE the criminals and have been dealing with other criminals for years.

1. What a stupid question.

   The UK grow oranges? 

 

2. Even in a Brexit UK, the UK cannot prevent relocation from Companies 

abroad. Or should all companies be nationalized?

 

3. Unfortunately only shouting without substance. Therefore I save my comment. Logically you say that the UK politicians of the past 40 years have all been stupid.

2 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

And also there, they only pay a handful of taxes. 

The EU will shortly be regulating this.

 

Brussels Taxing the digital economy: Commission proposes new measures to make all companies in the EU pay fair taxes

 

yeah right,these things take time,its only been 47 years so far,and when are the eu golng to present a set of accounts?not holding my breath to see it in my lifetime.

15 minutes ago, kingdong said:

yeah right,these things take time,its only been 47 years so far,and when are the eu golng to present a set of accounts?not holding my breath to see it in my lifetime.

47 years? Well, the New Economy doesn't exist for that long. But I agree with you that the EU is a slow shop. But when laws come out, they are mostly well thought out and have a long life. The British have worked well in the past in the EU.

6 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

47 years? Well, the New Economy doesn't exist for that long. But I agree with you that the EU is a slow shop. But when laws come out, they are mostly well thought out and have a long life. The British have worked well in the past in the EU.

like freedom of movement and beneflts payments to eu citizens?

5 minutes ago, kingdong said:

like freedom of movement and beneflts payments to eu citizens?

Freedom of movement, you no like it, or no need it. A lot of young British people like it. To live, to work, to study, buy a house wherever they want within the EU.

 

The EU does not pay benefits to ordinary people. The individual countries do this themselves. Unemployment benefit, housing benefit, child benefit. or what do you mean?

Just now, tomacht8 said:

Freedom of movement, you no like it, or no need it. A lot of young British people like it. To live, to work, to study, buy a house wherever they want within the EU.

 

The EU does not pay benefits to ordinary people. The individual countries do this themselves. Unemployment benefit, housing benefit, child benefit. or what do you mean?

i no like it,one way street 2 million eu citizns in uk,too easy to get benefit in uk,unless you british .uk must pay benefit to lazy eu people under eu rules and cannot say sling your hook,thats why british people vote leave,is good thing for british people,yes?

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

i no like it,one way street 2 million eu citizns in uk,too easy to get benefit in uk,unless you british .uk must pay benefit to lazy eu people under eu rules and cannot say sling your hook,thats why british people vote leave,is good thing for british people,yes?

There are studies on. A minority of EU foreigners abuse the system. Not just in the UK only. But the majority are hardworking and pay taxes too. Without the EU foreigners, the British crop industry and the sick and elderly would suffer. It is important to differentiate between EU foreigners and non-EU foreigners who come from the former British colonies.

3 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

There are studies on. A minority of EU foreigners abuse the system. Not just in the UK only. But the majority are hardworking and pay taxes too. Without the EU foreigners, the British crop industry and the sick and elderly would suffer. It is important to differentiate between EU foreigners and non-EU foreigners who come from the former British colonies.

a ponce is a ponce no matter where they,re from,and the uk has enough indigenous ponces so british people say leave eu,eu has lots of ponces from all over the world who all want to come to britain,we have too much poncing already without importing more.

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

a ponce is a ponce no matter where they,re from,and the uk has enough indigenous ponces so british people say leave eu,eu has lots of ponces from all over the world who all want to come to britain,we have too much poncing already without importing more.

Well, then everything is fine. With Brexit, foreigners will no longer come.

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I will add this to my list. Too many non Brits telling Brits what is good for them and give us your money. You need the EU and you need to give us your fishing rights and do what we say. Same mantra being spewed for years. Finally the people got the opportunity to say no. No more.

 

Accept it or stop talking a load of old tripe.

You've got to get ready, I'm not telling you what is good for you (as a non Brit) - BUT in real life, the Continent is just ( edited: 20 miles/France and the Continent)  away - Brexit or no Brexit - Accept it

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/08/uk-fishing-exports-48-hours-no-deal-brexit

5 minutes ago, Opl said:

You've got to get ready, I'm not telling you what is good for you (as a non Brit) - BUT in real life, the Continent is just 300 miles away - Brexit or no Brexit - Accept it

 

I do believe its more like 20 miles away , France from the UK

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

I do believe its more like 20 miles away , France from the UK

Yes indeed!   

4 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

Uh? EU never wanted to stop UK to do that, and would no have any way to do so anyway.

What UK agrees with countries outside EU is not EU business. Everyone agrees on that.

 

post withdrawal, ie as of next year - yes

pre withdrawal, third party trade is the Commission's responsibiity

1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

Well, then everything is fine. With Brexit, foreigners will no longer come.

hallelujah

2 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

1. What a stupid question.

   The UK grow oranges? 

 

2. Even in a Brexit UK, the UK cannot prevent relocation from Companies 

abroad. Or should all companies be nationalized?

 

3. Unfortunately only shouting without substance. Therefore I save my comment. Logically you say that the UK politicians of the past 40 years have all been stupid.

1. Exactly why the UK does not need EU tariffs. We do not grow oranges, so will be able to import them more cheaply without the EU tariff which protects the Spanish growers.

 

2. Now we are out of the EU, we don't have to watch EU grant factory relocations to the EU and the same products being imported back to the UK. We can provide state aid where we need to or apply tariffs to EU imports.

 

4. Yes, the politicians of the past 40 years have been stupid. Fortunately, we are now free of that political Europhile stupidity.

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

hallelujah

555. Yes.

Have you ever looked at the age structure of the population pyramid in the UK?

In addition to the horrendous debts, the few young Britons also have to earn pensions for the big group of aging pensioners.

And life expectancy is also increasing.

I am excited to see what well-paid high-tech products the UK will deliver over the next 20 years to supply the growing army of the elderly without immigration. Not to mention the possibilities of international market access.

Hallelujah.

2 hours ago, kingdong said:

a ponce is a ponce no matter where they,re from,and the uk has enough indigenous ponces so british people say leave eu,eu has lots of ponces from all over the world who all want to come to britain,we have too much poncing already without importing more.

She'll be right mate! the Magna Carta states that  "the City of London shall have/enjoy its ancient liberties".

Just to be safe though you should probably move to Australia.  While they still let you.