5 hours ago, edwinchester said:

So Farage, Johnson and Gove were all lying or mistaken when they all said a trade deal with the EU would be the easiest trade deal negotiated in history.

Yes - lying

2 hours ago, 473geo said:

Does this then mean that the EU negotiators were too demanding when the UK looked for a fair deal, or just not up to the task, or perhaps were dragging out the process in the hope of a U turn which did not appear.

Either way if a powerful group such as the EU could not provide a few concessions to pave the way for a satisfactory solution probably not as economically sound as they would like to appear, who is to say they were looking for a fair deal at all, now find they have 'dug in too deep' and cannot be seen to 'weaken'

 

 

It's the UK who does not adhere to previously made agreements. It is an unreliable country.
I personally support closing the borders with the UK. Nothing in, nothing out, and all the British in Europe back to the UK.

 

1 minute ago, dimitriv said:

 

It's the UK who does not adhere to previously made agreements. It is an unreliable country.
I personally support closing the borders with the UK. Nothing in, nothing out, and all the British in Europe back to the UK.

 

You won't bomb us though, will you, there again I think if it was up to you, you just might. ????????

Lifes too short to bare a grudge.

4 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

 

It's the UK who does not adhere to previously made agreements. It is an unreliable country.
I personally support closing the borders with the UK. Nothing in, nothing out, and all the British in Europe back to the UK.

 

Don't fall for the lie that Brexit has even close to universal popularity in the UK. Only a little more than a third of the electorate voted for it. 

5 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

 

It's the UK who does not adhere to previously made agreements. It is an unreliable country.
I personally support closing the borders with the UK. Nothing in, nothing out, and all the British in Europe back to the UK.

 

Oh, hello...........????

3 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

 

It's the UK who does not adhere to previously made agreements. It is an unreliable country.
I personally support closing the borders with the UK. Nothing in, nothing out, and all the British in Europe back to the UK.

 

Then call the French Navy to cordon off the channel and ze German Luftwaffe to check on the airspace (I think they have two working airplanes atm).

11 minutes ago, transam said:

Hey, the general election sorted any doubt about what the UK populace wanted, that is as plain as day for anyone to see, even for you EU folk posting here....

 

So your post is a little off, don't you think.

 

Plus, you EU flag wavers have become very tiresome, although rather amusing, telling us UK folk about our impending downfall when looking at things it seems the EU is heading to just that, failure... 

 

Personally I have no doubt what the UK populace wanted either from the referendum or the GE and that was to leave the EU. 

 

My concern is the consequences of that vote to leave (accepted) with with no plan as to what to do.

 

 

24 minutes ago, vogie said:

The "people" are not getting "shafted," this government has carried out the democratic wish of the voters, they can do no more.

Indeed this government has carried out the democratic wish of the voters, which was to get "shafted".

 

A sacrifice that the English working class has always been blissfully happy  to pay in order to protect the financial interests of their "Betters". Long live the Queen and the ruling classes. Sad really that they never had the guts or intelligence to escape the feudal system. 

You would have to say that a favourite phrase from the "Carry On" series "They don't like it up them", was not in fact correct!

 

Cummings message boy Frost has been instructed to avoid meaningful negotiations, Hard Brexit was always Cumming's choice, he is a wrecker like Bannon. 

 

No tears here, leave, destroy your economy, watch the breakup of the UK, and enjoy your new status as one of the most ridiculed nations on Earth.

 

Oh God, where did we leave the gun boats!

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Don't fall for the lie that Brexit has even close to universal popularity in the UK. Only a little more than a third of the electorate voted for it. 

Perfectly true....but it simply isn't an argument against the result. All you can hope for is that if we have a referendum in the future (on anything) people think about what they want carefully and get out and vote.

Just now, Surelynot said:

Personally I have no doubt what the UK populace wanted either from the referendum or the GE and that was to leave the EU. 

 

My concern is the consequences of that vote to leave (accepted) with with no plan as to what to do.

 

It is

Why do folk keep stating the "no plan" thingy, have you insider information, a fly on the wall perhaps, no, you're just make assumptions, or got it from a rag...????

12 minutes ago, transam said:

Hey, the general election sorted any doubt about what the UK populace wanted, that is as plain as day for anyone to see, even for you EU folk posting here....

 

So your post is a little off, don't you think.

 

Plus, you EU flag wavers have become very tiresome, although rather amusing, telling us UK folk about our impending downfall when looking at things it seems the EU is heading to just that, failure... 

 

Brexit has happened but it's not the UK folk who voted for it in the referendum or in the GE,it's the English who voted for and want it not the UK.

Just now, Nigel Garvie said:

Indeed this government has carried out the democratic wish of the voters, which was to get "shafted".

 

A sacrifice that the English working class has always been blissfully happy  to pay in order to protect the financial interests of their "Betters". Long live the Queen and the ruling classes. Sad really that they never had the guts or intelligence to escape the feudal system. 

You would have to say that a favourite phrase from the "Carry On" series "They don't like it up them", was not in fact correct!

 

Cummings message boy Frost has been instructed to avoid meaningful negotiations, Hard Brexit was always Cumming's choice, he is a wrecker like Bannon. 

 

No tears here, leave, destroy your economy, watch the breakup of the UK, and enjoy your new status as one of the most ridiculed nations on Earth.

 

Oh God, where did we leave the gun boats!

You're usual stuff, how tiresome.......

9 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Don't fall for the lie that Brexit has even close to universal popularity in the UK. Only a little more than a third of the electorate voted for it. 

That makes Scottish Remain vote look far more important that it really was. Try a more accurate representation:

44 minutes ago, vogie said:

They were promised Brexit and correct me if I'm wrong, isn't that what we got.

 

slow slow, not yet,

so far you have Brino,

proper Brexit may surface following New Year's Eve

6 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I wasn’t aware the EU offered him “Australia terms” in lieu of a deal. 

???? It's just a polite euphemism for... no deal.

 

PS : As a Continental European I still love my friends from the UK... 

6 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

'Four years after Brexit, support for the EU surges in Britain'

 

"Four years on from the UK's Brexit vote, a majority of British voters would now opt to remain inside the European Union, says new research.

According to the European Social Survey (ESS), a pan-European poll carried out every two years, 56.8% of respondents in the UK indicated that they would vote to remain inside the bloc, an increase from 49.9% the last time the survey was published in 2018. The most recent survey shows that of those questioned in the UK, 34.9% said they would vote to leave and 8.3% said they would not vote at all."

Those polls are probably run by the same people that said Hillary was going to win the 2016 USA election. Uk has left...deal with it!

31 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

 

It's the UK who does not adhere to previously made agreements. It is an unreliable country.
I personally support closing the borders with the UK. Nothing in, nothing out, and all the British in Europe back to the UK.

 

this would be great FOR THE UK ????. I really hope the UK goes around the EU and does trade deals with russia and china....Would be great for the UK and stick it to the EU!

19 minutes ago, transam said:

Why do folk keep stating the "no plan" thingy, have you insider information, a fly on the wall perhaps, no, you're just make assumptions, or got it from a rag...????

Briefly, what did you consider the plan to be BEFORE the referendum took place? And how close do you feel we are to achieving it objectives.

14 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Indeed this government has carried out the democratic wish of the voters, which was to get "shafted".

 

A sacrifice that the English working class has always been blissfully happy  to pay in order to protect the financial interests of their "Betters". Long live the Queen and the ruling classes. Sad really that they never had the guts or intelligence to escape the feudal system. 

You would have to say that a favourite phrase from the "Carry On" series "They don't like it up them", was not in fact correct!

 

Cummings message boy Frost has been instructed to avoid meaningful negotiations, Hard Brexit was always Cumming's choice, he is a wrecker like Bannon. 

 

No tears here, leave, destroy your economy, watch the breakup of the UK, and enjoy your new status as one of the most ridiculed nations on Earth.

 

Oh God, where did we leave the gun boats!

I seem to remember the Labour Party saying that they would honour the 'Democratic' vote of the UK, and while we're at it so did the Lib/Dems, but it was only the Tories that didn't renege on the vote of our electorate. Upholding a democratic vote, oh how awful.

As the Rolling Stones said, "You Can't Always Get What You Want" and coming out with posts like "one of the most ridiculed nations on earth" and the rest, is purely sour grapes from a very poor loser.

4 hours ago, transam said:

Constant bickering, what on earth are you talking about, negotiations are not bickering, they are negotiations. 

Nothing to do with your divorce either, it is to do with British folk getting their country and waters back, plus try to deal with each other fairly.

Now you, will have to take care of the countries that have nothing, you...So you, stop bickering here and think about what you will probably have to cough up on us leaving, and you will... ????

 

aren't you tired of the same old, they want to leave, good bye bye but instead they keep asking for this and for that and one week is same deal as Canada, the next week is same deal as Swiss, a week later is the same deal but including icebergs now it's same deal as Australia, come on man, move on or move out, nobody has to negotiate anything, your guys are not that important, just to help you figure it out and you will know who has something to lose..... UK population will reach 67.54 million by the end of 2020 and As of 1 February 2020, the population of the EU is about 445 million people

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Although I didn't vote at all, and if I had I probably wouldn't have voted to leave, as a rural home in France was always my escape plan when Thailand went tits up.

I really doubt they will prevent people from the UK retiring to France, Spain or anywhere else in the EU for that matter.

 

 

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

If it were me, I wouldn't bother to trade with the EU at all, they are far too expensive.

I was more concerned with stopping the flow of Islamic stabugees that Europe seemed so keen on supplying.

 

Although I didn't vote at all, and if I had I probably wouldn't have voted to leave, as a rural home in France was always my escape plan when Thailand went tits up.

 

Hardly worth bothering, only 3 or 4 countries to trade with, the other 23 countries buy <deleted> all off us....that 450 million trade block is in reality about 200 million, so not so big after all

5 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Briefly, what did you consider the plan to be BEFORE the referendum took place? And how close do you feel we are to achieving it objectives.

Weeeell, briefly, I wanted the UK out of the German clutches whatever the outcome, that  has been achieved..............

At this stage, I hope the Gov sticks to its guns and gives us our country back.. 

37 minutes ago, transam said:

snip

 

Plus, you EU flag wavers have become very tiresome, although rather amusing, telling us UK folk about our impending downfall when looking at things it seems the EU is heading to just that, failure... 

 

 

21 minutes ago, transam said:

You're usual stuff, how tiresome.......

Oh dear, other posters have become "Tiresome" to you, and we do try so hard to entertain. ????????

You should consider the possibility that this is a debating forum, which does not have the sole purpose of amusing you.

 

"telling us UK folk about our impending downfall when looking at things it seems the EU is heading to just that, failure..." I'm not quite sure where you got that info from (The Beano?), you could supply a link to a reputable paper that specialises in this subject like the Economist, or Business insider. 

 

 

4 hours ago, vogie said:

Who is doing the "constant bickering/mongering/complaining"  the leavers have got what the UK voted for, no need for them to bicker. The sour grapes appears to be crossing the Channel.

stop asking for this and for that, want a deal like this and a deal like that, more of this and less of that, it's tiring, just leave and don't let the door hit you on the back, trust me, there are no sour grapes on the other side of the channel, they are just tired of dealing with somebody who don't know what they want

6 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

aren't you tired of the same old, they want to leave, good bye bye but instead they keep asking for this and for that and one week is same deal as Canada, the next week is same deal as Swiss, a week later is the same deal but including icebergs now it's same deal as Australia, come on man, move on or move out, nobody has to negotiate anything, your guys are not that important, just to help you figure it out and you will know who has something to lose..... UK population will reach 67.54 million by the end of 2020 and As of 1 February 2020, the population of the EU is about 445 million people

Will you please stop worrying about the UK, we prevailed after helping those across the channel out after 1945, so I am not worried about anything, but you EU lot are.....Strange that....

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Weeeell, briefly, I wanted the UK out of the German clutches whatever the outcome, that  has been achieved..............

At this stage, I hope the Gov sticks to its guns and gives us our country back.. 

Were you aware of the single market/Norway/WTO issues at all?......Just out of interest....I'm not going anywhere with this! And could also ask why the Germans? I would say the French are equally influential and maybe the UK was the most influential of all.

4 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

 

Oh dear, other posters have become "Tiresome" to you, and we do try so hard to entertain. ????????

You should consider the possibility that this is a debating forum, which does not have the sole purpose of amusing you.

 

"telling us UK folk about our impending downfall when looking at things it seems the EU is heading to just that, failure..." I'm not quite sure where you got that info from (The Beano?), you could supply a link to a reputable paper that specialises in this subject like the Economist, or Business insider. 

 

 

Pot-Kettle.......

5 minutes ago, transam said:

I hope the Gov sticks to its guns and gives us our country back..

Why? Who had it previously? What will improve now?

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

stop asking for this and for that, want a deal like this and a deal like that, more of this and less of that, it's tiring, just leave and don't let the door hit you on the back, trust me, there are no sour grapes on the other side of the channel, they are just tired of dealing with somebody who don't know what they want

For someone who is not bothered and sarcastally says "don't let the door hit you on the back" I would have to say you come across as very bothered.