U.S. to force out foreign students taking classes fully online

[snoop1130]

U.S. to force out foreign students taking classes fully online

By Mimi Dwyer

 

 

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Foreign students in the United States, numbering in the hundreds of thousands, will have to leave the country if their classes are all taught online this fall or if they transfer to another school with in-person instruction, a government agency said.

 

It was not immediately clear how many student visa holders would be affected by the move, but foreign students are a key source of revenue for many U.S. universities as they often pay full tuition.

 

China ranked first among countries of origin for international students in the United States with nearly 370,000 during the 2018-2019 academic year, according to data published by the Institute of International Education.

 

The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency said it would not allow holders of student visas to remain in the country if their school was fully online for the fall. Those students must transfer or leave the country, or they potentially face deportation proceedings, according to the announcement.

 

The ICE guidance applies to holders of F-1 and M-1 visas, which are for academic and vocational students. The State Department issued 388,839 F visas and 9,518 M visas in fiscal 2019, according to the agency's data.

 

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian told reporters in Beijing on Tuesday that China was closely following the policy changes in the United States and would do everything to protect the rights and interests of Chinese students.

 

U.S. colleges and universities have begun to announce plans for the fall 2020 semester amid the coronavirus pandemic. Harvard on Monday announced it would conduct course instruction online for the 2020-2021 academic year.

 

The guidance does not affect students taking classes in person. It also does not affect F-1 students taking a partial online course-load, as long as their university certifies the student's instruction is not completely digital. M-1 vocational program students and F-1 English language training program students will not be allowed to take any classes online.

 

President Donald Trump's administration has imposed a number of new restrictions to legal and illegal immigration in recent months as a result of the pandemic.

 

In June, the administration suspended work visas for a wide swath of nonimmigrant workers that it argued compete with U.S. citizens for jobs. The administration has also effectively suspended the admission of asylum seekers at the southern border with Mexico, citing health risks as justification.

 

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[johnpetersen]

And make the balance of payments slightly more negative.

[A1Str8]

No need to leave. Let them study. I thought the US was all about education. What's wrong now???????????? dummies

[Tug]

That’s our Donald!more feckless racism division turmoil diversion absolutely the worst president ever sorry trump supporters he is what he is enough come on November!

[DoctorG]

The principal of course is that if you are doing your studies fully online then you can do it in your own country. I do not think it will affect many students and it is not a move that I would agree with.

[johnpetersen]

6 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

The principal of course is that if you are doing your studies fully online then you can do it in your own country. I do not think it will affect many students and it is not a move that I would agree with.

Because facilities like the library and such are not relevant. And then there's also the matter of time zones. Apparently, the reason that the Trump administration is doing this is to force colleges and universities to reopen more fully.

Edited July 8, 2020 by johnpetersen

[Mama Noodle]

Bit hard to see what the problem is. Taking fully online classes and not doing your 20 hours of on campus work, thereby doing nothing in regards to the institution that is granting you the credentials to stay in the US = they should leave and do it at home. 

 

 

[digbeth]

4 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

Bit hard to see what the problem is. Taking fully online classes and not doing your 20 hours of on campus work, thereby doing nothing in regards to the institution that is granting you the credentials to stay in the US = they should leave and do it at home. 

 

 

The international students has to eat and pay rent and spend money in the US economy, if they are going to be kicked out on a whim by the US, they can tell the other prospective students back home that other countries like Australia, Canada or the UK might be more welcoming 

[simple1]

4 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

Bit hard to see what the problem is. Taking fully online classes and not doing your 20 hours of on campus work, thereby doing nothing in regards to the institution that is granting you the credentials to stay in the US = they should leave and do it at home. 

 

 

Thereby losing revenue from student spending which would be in the billions p.a. trump admin is just being spiteful

[Mama Noodle]

14 minutes ago, digbeth said:

The international students has to eat and pay rent and spend money in the US economy, if they are going to be kicked out on a whim by the US, they can tell the other prospective students back home that other countries like Australia, Canada or the UK might be more welcoming 

 

No problem at all. If the UK, Oz, or little America (Canada) wants to allow students to be granted long term visas for taking 100% online classwork with zero physical institution presence then go for it.

[Mama Noodle]

14 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

China ranked first among countries of origin for international students in the United States with nearly 370,000 during the 2018-2019 academic year, according to data published by the Institute of International Education.

 

Buh-Bye ????

[Mama Noodle]

14 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian told reporters in Beijing on Tuesday that China was closely following the policy changes in the United States and would do everything to protect the rights and interests of Chinese students.

 

Hes on Twitter, one of the platforms banned by China, and talks ALOT and I have 2 white buttcheeks he can smooch on while he takes his people back. 

[Chomper Higgot]

I was yesterday talking with a Thai university lecturer who completed his  Bachelor and Master degrees in the US at Stamford and his PhD in the UK at Imperial, he was a shining example of precisely why it’s a great idea for countries to bring foreign students in for education and too for the very important experience of cultural exchange.

 

The guy is very pro-US, very Pro-UK and clearly absorbed American/British ideas and values that he now presents to his own students.

 

In my profession I’ve often come across foreign managers and decision makers who positively favor business approaches from the nations where they studied in their youth.

 

Young people forming the views and ideas that will stay with them through life and paying full wack to do so. It’s an investment with zero cost to the host nation that produces endless positive returns.

 

The smart move is to get these self financing young people into the nation’s universities and ensure they are forming pro-American ideas.

 

But I guess there’s no point having a ‘dog whistle’ if you aren’t going to blow it.

 

 

[Sujo]

What a heartless decision.

[mtls2005]

I wonder if this will apply to ALL students, incl. K-12?

 

There must be thousands of Thais impacted?

 

Bummer for them, and the Kingdom.

 

 

[simple1]

Is the trump admin going to compensate the Uni's for loss of fees and of course additional costs for students being forced to return to their home country. Does the decision only apply to Chinese students, if so harming Unis and student for purely political purposes which must be contrary to everything the US traditionally stands for - using trump's words - 'the tyranny of cancel culture'.

[Bender Rodriguez]

so the overpriced "education" will be billed the same ? I guess many students try to find a job in the US after their studies to pay them off... If you want to have an affordable education, you don't study in the US

[Mama Noodle]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Young people forming the views and ideas that will stay with them through life and paying full wack to do so. It’s an investment with zero cost to the host nation that produces endless positive returns.

Kim Jong Un studied in Switzerland and is a tyrannical murderer who didn't change at all. 

[newnative]

Another stupid, oppressive Trump policy to add to all the others on Immigration.

[Mama Noodle]

Just now, Bender Rodriguez said:

so the overpriced "education" will be billed the same ?

 

Yes, it looks that way. 

 

1 minute ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

I guess many students try to find a job in the US after their studies to pay them off...

 

With restrictions and only temporarily. 

[Mama Noodle]

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Is the trump admin going to compensate the Uni's for loss of fees and of course additional costs for students being forced to return to their home country.

 

Unis will be ok, they can trim the fat and make themselves more appealing to citizens and survive just fine, and some of them have federal endowments too. They can still take foreign students no problem but taking them at full price for 100% online coursework is BS and everyone knows it. 

 

Students should not be there if they are a burden and can not afford to go home on their own. 

[Chomper Higgot]

There may be another, or perhaps dual, reason.

 

Trump has tied himself to the lie that the Coronavirus is defeated and is trying to encourage States to reopen schools.

 

Many universities have switched classes to online, students enrolled in face to face tuition now being taught class online.

 

This move would force universities to return to face to face classes or lose students.

 

Oh and it’s a ‘dog whistle’ to his dwindling base into the bargain.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Unis will be ok, they can trim the fat and make themselves more appealing to citizens and survive just fine, and some of them have federal endowments too. They can still take foreign students no problem but taking them at full price for 100% online coursework is BS and everyone knows it. 

 

Students should not be there if they are a burden and can not afford to go home on their own. 

If they are paying 100% how are they a burden?

[Mama Noodle]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

If they are paying 100% how are they a burden?

 

Why do you guys not read the post I was replying to first before getting your drawers in a bunch? Dude was saying that the students should be compensated for having to go home. I said they shouldn't be there in the first place if they cant do that on their own, therefore being a burden on the taxpayer. 

[mtls2005]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There may be another, or perhaps dual, reason.

 

Meh. This one has Stephen Miller's stench on it, maybe a bit of devos?

 

 

[Mama Noodle]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There may be another, or perhaps dual, reason.

 

Trump has tied himself to the lie that the Coronavirus is defeated and is trying to encourage States to reopen schools.

 

Many universities have switched classes to online, students enrolled in face to face tuition now being taught class online.

 

This move would force universities to return to face to face classes or lose students.

 

Oh and it’s a ‘dog whistle’ to his dwindling base into the bargain.

 

Gonna need sources and facts to back up all these assertions. 

 

All you need to do is look up the qualifiers for the different visa categories and see how online coursework plays out. 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Gonna need sources and facts to back up all these assertions. 

 

All you need to do is look up the qualifiers for the different visa categories and see how online coursework plays out. 

Here you go, universities responding to Coronavirus by moving classes online:

 

https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/world-news/coronavirus-top-us-universities-move-classes-online/articleshow/74567029.cms

 

Do you have evidence that students affected by this move didn’t make the visa requirements for their courses at the time of matriculation?

 

 

[Mama Noodle]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Do you have evidence that students affected by this move didn’t make the visa requirements for their courses at the time of matriculation?

 

Never claimed such, and im sure they did, but it seems to me that they (and you) should be crying to the university instead of the government. Universities know full well what they are doing. 

 

 

[simple1]

23 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Why do you guys not read the post I was replying to first before getting your drawers in a bunch? Dude was saying that the students should be compensated for having to go home. I said they shouldn't be there in the first place if they cant do that on their own, therefore being a burden on the taxpayer. 

I was asking if trump admin forces out students are they obliged to refund any additional costs - you have misrepresented my question. IMO the OP decision will further erode the reputation and trust of the US under the current administration - saying to the effect of 'so what' is extremely short sighted.

[Mama Noodle]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

I was asking if trump admin forces out students are they obliged to refund any additional costs - you have misrepresented my question.

 

Why would the trump admin refund anything? Its the universities that are making the rules and doing it outside of the criteria that allows foreign students to stay. IF anyone has a problem, take it up with the Uni they were paying into. 

 

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

IMO the OP decision will further erode the reputation and trust of the US under the current administration - saying to the effect of 'so what' is extremely short sighted.

 

I had a look through your posting history the other day out of curiosity and you've been hating on the USA well before ole Trump, so spare us all the dramatics and hyperbole.