Trump says 'more white people' than Blacks are killed by U.S. police

[webfact]

Trump says 'more white people' than Blacks are killed by U.S. police

 

U.S. President Donald Trump speaks during a news conference in the Rose Garden at the White House in Washington, U.S., July 14, 2020. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump on Tuesday downplayed police violence against Black people, saying that "more white people" are killed by police officers.

 

During an interview with CBS News, the Republican president was asked why Black people were still dying at the hands of law enforcement.

"And so are white people, so are white people. What a terrible question to ask. So are white people. More white people, by the way. More white people," Trump responded.

 

Police violence against African Americans has been at the centre of attention in the United States following the May 25 death of George Floyd as a Minneapolis police officer kneeled on his neck for nearly nine minutes. Floyd's death sparked protests across the United States and the world.

 

In an interview with CBS News previewed on Tuesday, U.S. President Donald Trump said more white than Black people are killed at the hands of police in the United States.

 

According to a Washington Post analysis updated on Monday, half of the people shot and killed by U.S. police are white, but Black Americans are shot at a disproportionate rate. They account for less than 13 percent of the U.S. population but are killed by police at more than twice the rate of white Americans, the newspaper analysis found.

 

The recent social unrest also raised new questions about the continued flying of the Confederate battle flag in some areas of the country and whether statues honouring Confederate leaders during the U.S. Civil War should be removed from high-profile public places.

 

Asked by CBS if that flag should be "taken down," Trump responded: "I know people that like the Confederate flag and they're not thinking about slavery."

 

He added: "It's freedom of speech," whether the issue is the Confederate flag "or Black Lives Matter or anything else you want to talk about."

 

(Reporting by Richard Cowan; Editing by Peter Cooney)

 

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[Mama Noodle]

It’s true, more whites are killed by cops than blacks, but the lefty spin is that they are killed at a “disproportionate” rate to whites. 
 

That may also be true but it’s only a small bit of the data. Black people  account for a “disproportionate” amount of murder and mass shootings too, so it stands to reason  that they are also killed by cops “disproportionately” because of gang violence - not “racism” 

 

The only way to address an issue is to be honest about it which Reuters and the illiberal left have no interest in doing. 
 

There is a massive rise is shootings and murder in the USA over the last few weeks from black gang violence across several cities and that’s not racism, those are facts. 

[mr mr]

nice race baiting article. 

 

not sure it's wise to play the facts and numbers game on this subject. 

[Tug]

Will trump ever get anything right what a stupid divisive comment to make just beggers belief adjusted for population size far and away more people of color are killed by the cops and yes some deservedly so but here will come his apologists to defens his stupid comment guess he needs to distract away from his failed attacks on Dr. Fauci (true to form the first comment goes straight to the safe spot lefties lol

Edited July 14, 2020 by Tug

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Will trump ever get anything right what a stupid divisive comment to make just beggers belief adjusted for population size far and away more people of color are killed by the cops and yes some deservedly so but here will come his apologists to defens his stupid comment guess he needs to distract away from his failed attacks on Dr. Fauci (true to form the first comment goes straight to the safe spot lefties lol

He was asked a question and he answered, oh the horror. Also possible blacks per capita do more bad st**e.

[TopDeadSenter]

1 hour ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

There is a massive rise is shootings and murder in the USA over the last few weeks from black gang violence across several cities and that’s not racism, those are facts.

Sounds unlikely, I thought the whole democrat "defund the police" program was supposed to make the streets and cities safer? Are you claiming that without police around, violent crime actually increased? Who could have guessed that would have happened?

[BobBKK]

Blacks commit most of the homicides and totally disproportionately. Robbery? Assault? I mean the data is the data.

[TopDeadSenter]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Will trump ever get anything right what a stupid divisive comment to make just beggers belief

Facts are not stupid, nor are they divisive, or racist. Facts are facts. If hearing facts make you freak out, the problem is all of your own causing. My eyes have been seriously opened by events in the US and UK over the last month. I had no idea how totally out of control and prone to violence the black population is. How can the tiny % of the population black males make up cause such a huge % of violent crimes? I wish Trump all the best in holding them all accountable for their actions. The dems blaming statues and slavery for current black violent crime is about the daftest excuse since that day the dog ate my homework, and taking away all responsibility for their actions in the name of PC caused the violence to spiral further. In the 2nd term Trump will get them out of the ghettos to join civilized America.

[cooked]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Will trump ever get anything right what a stupid divisive comment to make just beggers belief adjusted for population size far and away more people of color are killed by the cops and yes some deservedly so but here will come his apologists to defens his stupid comment guess he needs to distract away from his failed attacks on Dr. Fauci (true to form the first comment goes straight to the safe spot lefties lol

That just isn't true. in a a violent confrontation with police, white people are marginally more likely to be shot by the police. But of course if you are convinced that Trump can't ever get anything right, don't let facts obstruct your emotional reaction.

[Berkshire]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

He added: "It's freedom of speech," whether the issue is the Confederate flag "or Black Lives Matter or anything else you want to talk about."

"Freedom of Speech" Mr. President?  How about Mary Trump?  John Bolton?  Michael Cohen?  Etc., etc.

[Berkshire]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

During an interview with CBS News, the Republican president was asked why Black people were still dying at the hands of law enforcement.

"And so are white people, so are white people. What a terrible question to ask. So are white people. More white people, by the way. More white people," Trump responded.

These are the kind of comments that will be fully embraced by his racist base.  But to the other 70% of Americans, not so much.

[stephenterry]

The point being is that people are people whatever their colour, religious beliefs etc. etc. There is no need to bring racism into a response when it should have been a tightening up of crimes committed countrywide. In other words, focus on reducing the serious crimes, particularly drug abuse crime rates, by whatever means. Which, in the USA, is pitiful, IMO.  

[bert bloggs]

I know the usual posters will say i am racist or prove it ,well i dont come from America so i should not comment but i read the British newspapers and daily see stabbing and young people killing ,most of the pictures of the perputrators are black ,in my old home town most of the violent crime and muggings were carried out by black guys ,from what i see in America there are far more black criminals considering they are a minority as well.

[DoctorG]

3 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

The point being is that people are people whatever their colour, religious beliefs etc. etc. There is no need to bring racism into a response when it should have been a tightening up of crimes committed countrywide. In other words, focus on reducing the serious crimes, particularly drug abuse crime rates, by whatever means. Which, in the USA, is pitiful, IMO.  

I agree with you except that the question posed to Trump was a racial question and quoting facts pertinent to the question was his response.

[stephenterry]

2 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

I agree with you except that the question posed to Trump was a racial question and quoting facts pertinent to the question was his response.

In which case he should have responded like any politician by side-tracking the racism card and focusing on what should have been done to prevent violent crime rates. But, in his case, he's a sociopath without any conscience. 

[Eric Loh]

Wrong answer Trump. Dug himself into a deeper hole with his polarizing comment. Not smart to sound like a white supremacist. Re-election in more jeopardy with his attitude. 

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Wrong answer Trump. Dug himself into a deeper hole with his polarizing comment. Not smart to sound like a white supremacist. Re-election in more jeopardy with his attitude. 

I agree, when will Trump stop speaking the truth and saying what he thinks and start acting like a politician and saying what is PC.

[DoctorG]

7 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

In which case he should have responded like any politician by side-tracking the racism card and focusing on what should have been done to prevent violent crime rates. 

I once again generally agree with you (apart from the slander that I removed), but don't worry, I am sure he will learn how to be more like a politician in his second term.

[simple1]

trump's response was a deflection.

 

She began: “Let’s talk about George Floyd, you said George Floyd’s death was a terrible thing.”

“Terrible,” said Trump.

Then Herridge followed with: “Why are African Americans still dying at the hands of law enforcement?”

The president immediately pivoted.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/14/donald-trump-george-floyd-police-killings?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0d1YXJkaWFuVG9kYXlBVVMtMjAwNzE1&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTAU_email&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayAUS

 

The question would had  been asked in the context of the current protests of 'blacks' being killed during the detention and arrest process. According is there a disproportionate rate of African Americans being killed by police during the detention and arrest process versus whites. Some stats...

 

About 17% of the black people who died as a result of police harm were unarmed, a larger share than any other racial group and about 1.3 times more than the average of 13%.

 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2246987-us-police-kill-up-to-6-times-more-black-people-than-white-people/

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/data-show-deaths-from-police-violence-disproportionately-affect-people-of-color

Edited July 15, 2020 by simple1

[Eric Loh]

8 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I agree, when will Trump stop speaking the truth and saying what he thinks and start acting like a politician and saying what is PC.

I too agree with you. Please continue to be polarizing with your kind of truth till November. 

[stephenterry]

8 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

I once again generally agree with you (apart from the slander that I removed), but don't worry, I am sure he will learn how to be more like a politician in his second term.

The slander of him being a sociopath is stated by his niece in her book.  

[metisdead]

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A post with offensive comparisons to the Holocaust has been removed.

 

A post with out of date statistics has been removed. 

[RuamRudy]

43 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

I know the usual posters will say i am racist or prove it ,well i dont come from America so i should not comment but i read the British newspapers and daily see stabbing and young people killing ,most of the pictures of the perputrators are black ,in my old home town most of the violent crime and muggings were carried out by black guys ,from what i see in America there are far more black criminals considering they are a minority as well.

As someone else in this thread said, facts are facts. I haven't checked the numbers but if what you say is true, I would not be surprised. But the question that needs to be asked, if true, is why is that the case - why are black kids knifing each other? Why are a disproportionate number of violent or drug crimes committed by black people? Are they genetically predisposed to such behaviour? I don't believe so. In the nature versus nurture debate, I am firmly on the side of those who say that we are, to a great extent, the product of our environment. 

[MJKT2014]

3 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

The only way to address an issue is to be honest about it

The only way to address the issue is to fix the stupid gun laws. Until then Darwin rules, much like the nut jobs who spout freedom of expression to not wear a mask. It would be laughable but  isn't as it affects the rest of the world too.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

It’s true, more whites are killed by cops than blacks, but the lefty spin is that they are killed at a “disproportionate” rate to whites.

That’s not ‘lefty spin’ it’s  a mathematically proven fact.

 

The math is not difficult but nevertheless some struggle to grasp it.

[Brunolem]

It seems that no one has brought up the third party in this debate: there are the white people and the black people, and there is the police. 

 

Now, the US police kills on average a thousand persons per year, an astronomical number compared with other developed countries. 

 

For example, France has about one fifth of the US population, and it also has its fair share of instability and crime, notably in its infamous suburbs. 

 

Now, if the French police was killing around 200 persons per year, the whole country would be on fire, as no one in the general population would tolerate such violence. 

 

Violence calls for violence, and after having developed a culture of violence for decades, it is probably too late for the US to reverse the tendency. 

 

On the contrary, one might expect for things to get worse, especially while closing on November... 

Edited July 15, 2020 by Brunolem

[Mama Noodle]

7 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Violence calls for violence, and after having developed a culture of violence for decaded, it is probably too late for the US too reverse the tendency. 

There’s only one side burning down whole city blocks, something like 25 murders to date, defacing public and federal property, numerous assaults and several dead children and you know who isn’t doing that? Cops. 

[Saint Nick]

Even if that is the case and it would be relevant to anything...does that make the subject at hand "better"?

Edited July 15, 2020 by Saint Nick

[Tug]

2 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Sounds unlikely, I thought the whole democrat "defund the police" program was supposed to make the streets and cities safer? Are you claiming that without police around, violent crime actually increased? Who could have guessed that would have happened?

 

2 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Facts are not stupid, nor are they divisive, or racist. Facts are facts. If hearing facts make you freak out, the problem is all of your own causing. My eyes have been seriously opened by events in the US and UK over the last month. I had no idea how totally out of control and prone to violence the black population is. How can the tiny % of the population black males make up cause such a huge % of violent crimes? I wish Trump all the best in holding them all accountable for their actions. The dems blaming statues and slavery for current black violent crime is about the daftest excuse since that day the dog ate my homework, and taking away all responsibility for their actions in the name of PC caused the violence to spiral further. In the 2nd term Trump will get them out of the ghettos to join civilized America.

It’s a tiny Minority that want to (defund the police)and they mostly want to redirect some of their funding to more appropriate programs but you know this and it doesent work so good to work up the hate and division and trump and facts that’s funney bottom line imo and most folks just think it’s another diversion to take attention away from his failure to respond to the pandemic it’s what he does lie deflect defy it’s all he’s got we see it he’s toast and burnt at that

[BobBKK]

1 minute ago, Tug said:

 

It’s a tiny Minority that want to (defund the police)and they mostly want to redirect some of their funding to more appropriate programs but you know this and it doesent work so good to work up the hate and division and trump and facts that’s funney bottom line imo and most folks just think it’s another diversion to take attention away from his failure to respond to the pandemic it’s what he does lie deflect defy it’s all he’s got we see it he’s toast and burnt at that

It's possible he might lose but Biden can thank the virus for that. Great economy tanked and Biden unable to speak = a possible win.