U.S. swoops down on Portland protesters after Trump order to protect monuments

[Morch]

On 7/22/2020 at 7:19 AM, checkered flag said:

They'll be asked and detained if necessary. The federal officers are very professional but not sissies. The police are told to stand down, which only make things worse. 

 

That's hardly what my post was about, though.

[Morch]

On 7/22/2020 at 1:10 PM, checkered flag said:

The camo IDs them and lets the goons know they mean business. Just like the black hoodies and umbrellas ID the other group as panty waist mama boys.

 

When it suits, the "goons" are a national threat about to bring the country to its knees. Couple of posts later, and they're "panty waist mama boys". Which is it, then?

[Morch]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Deflection?

It's about destruction of property, not a "national threat".

 

Maybe stop pretending not to be aware of how Trump supporters on these topic hype the protests. following Trump's own example. There were posters on here claiming these protests will bring about the fall of the US, never mind civilization.

 

Kinda doubt "destruction of property" would do that.

[Sujo]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Deflection?

It's about destruction of property, not a "national threat".

Federal agents are there to protect the property, not arrest protesters away from that property.

[thaibeachlovers]

23 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Maybe stop pretending not to be aware of how Trump supporters on these topic hype the protests. following Trump's own example. There were posters on here claiming these protests will bring about the fall of the US, never mind civilization.

 

Kinda doubt "destruction of property" would do that.

Kinda depends on whether they get away with this. If they do they'll be ramping it up, IMO. Revolutions usually start small and get bigger.

Hopefully Trump can stop it now.

[thaibeachlovers]

23 hours ago, Morch said:

 

When it suits, the "goons" are a national threat about to bring the country to its knees. Couple of posts later, and they're "panty waist mama boys". Which is it, then?

Well, IMO they certainly are goons and one on one I doubt they'd be much of a threat.

[Morch]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Kinda depends on whether they get away with this. If they do they'll be ramping it up, IMO. Revolutions usually start small and get bigger.

Hopefully Trump can stop it now.

 

What does "getting away with it" got to do with the language and terms used to described the protests and those partaking? As for the "revolution" nonsense, another poster on here alleged that there are no and that there were no underlying issues. You've agreed. How does a "revolution" get going, never mind succeed, if no issues are involved? More scaremongering talking points from Trump supporters.

[simple1]

On 7/22/2020 at 8:53 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

I agree that they are just a mob looking for a rumble, but someone is paying the expenses as it's doubtful they have well paying jobs.

 

Such as who? What do you and others have to say about the Moms & Vets providing a protective 'wall' against the actions of federal law enforcement - one presumes people will not call them out a commies / Antifa, lefties whatever, but members of the public who disagree with the tactics supported by the trump administration. Local authorities are saying the tactics used by Fed law enforcement only increases the level of antagonism, one questions why they do not use the tactics of de-escalation.

[Mama Noodle]

More and more cities reporting riots and looting by black clad anarchists and almost 30 murders to date as a result of Antifa/BLM riots and demonstrations on top of billions in property damage. 
 

And the same ole usual suspects in this thread keep on denying it exists, covering for it, applauding it... Even as the violence escalates and even as the pandemic rages. 
 

 

[metisdead]

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Edited July 27, 2020 by metisdead

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Mama Noodle said:

More and more cities reporting riots and looting by black clad anarchists and almost 30 murders to date as a result of Antifa/BLM riots and demonstrations on top of billions in property damage. 
 

And the same ole usual suspects in this thread keep on denying it exists, covering for it, applauding it... Even as the violence escalates and even as the pandemic rages. 
 

 

 

How many of these "almost 30 murders" are directly attributed to ANTIFA/BLM? As for the "murders" label, were all of these cases subject to investigations, courts and all of that legal stuff associated with "law and order" which Trump supporters go on about? To head off expected nonsense deflections, I am not denying people died. Rather questioning the lumping together of deaths, and the wholesale label attached.

 

I don't think many people on these topics, even the one opposing Trump, deny that there is violence, or "applaud" it. Not sure how the Covid-19 situation relates to your "argument".

[checkered flag]

13 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

How many of these "almost 30 murders" are directly attributed to ANTIFA/BLM? As for the "murders" label, were all of these cases subject to investigations, courts and all of that legal stuff associated with "law and order" which Trump supporters go on about? To head off expected nonsense deflections, I am not denying people died. Rather questioning the lumping together of deaths, and the wholesale label attached.

 

I don't think many people on these topics, even the one opposing Trump, deny that there is violence, or "applaud" it. Not sure how the Covid-19 situation relates to your "argument".

Probably 100%. If no Antifa/Blm circus these people, many black, would still be alive. Other deaths and/or crimes happen because police are taken away to protect city assets and the poor communities suffer.

[checkered flag]

On 7/23/2020 at 1:44 PM, Morch said:

 

When it suits, the "goons" are a national threat about to bring the country to its knees. Couple of posts later, and they're "panty waist mama boys". Which is it, then?

OK goony panty waist mama boys then. That make you happy. 

[checkered flag]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

Such as who? What do you and others have to say about the Moms & Vets providing a protective 'wall' against the actions of federal law enforcement - one presumes people will not call them out a commies / Antifa, lefties whatever, but members of the public who disagree with the tactics supported by the trump administration. Local authorities are saying the tactics used by Fed law enforcement only increases the level of antagonism, one questions why they do not use the tactics of de-escalation.

Do you really think de-escalation would be effective? Look what happened to the Portland police chief. The agenda of the mob is not to find a solution, it's to tear everything down. 

 

[Morch]

10 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

Probably 100%. If no Antifa/Blm circus these people, many black, would still be alive. Other deaths and/or crimes happen because police are taken away to protect city assets and the poor communities suffer.

 

In other words, you can't even back your own claims.

[Morch]

9 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

OK goony panty waist mama boys then. That make you happy. 

 

It just shows you can't make a coherent argument. Can't have it both ways.

[checkered flag]

5 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

In other words, you can't even back your own claims.

You can't calculate the total damages done, being so ubiquitousness. 

[utalkin2me]

The problem with American "democracy" has never been the government. The problem is the people's reaction to the government, which is usually very weak to non existent. Look at the public's reaction to the extreme Patriot Act as a prime example. 

 

Now, the people are reacting a little bit. Compare what is going on now to things you have seen in France for example. 

 

This is nothing, hopefully the people keep pushing. It is the only way to get what you want. Push push push the government until they absolutely must give you what you want. There is still a long way to go, but this is a start. Maybe it is a clumsy start, but it is something, that is for sure. A lot better than doing nothing. 

[simple1]

44 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

Do you really think de-escalation would be effective? Look what happened to the Portland police chief. The agenda of the mob is not to find a solution, it's to tear everything down. 

 

Remind me, what happened to the Portland Police chief? it has been referenced a number of times by local authorities Fed involvement is not contributing to reduction in violence and not wanted, Yes, de-escalation is a method that if used effectively will reduce tension / violence, though so far, a tactic appears to be not utilised by militarised Fed enforcement in Portland.

[Mama Noodle]

I think the argument being made by the usual suspects on here about “If the feds would leave then there wouldn’t be rioting” is disturbingly close to an abuser blaming the victim for the abuse they are receiving. 
 

“If you just do what I tell you I wouldn’t have to beat the <deleted> out of you and destroy your <deleted>” 

 

Bold strategy fellas. 

[Morch]

4 hours ago, checkered flag said:

You can't calculate the total damages done, being so ubiquitousness. 

 

Keep deflecting. My post was more to do with the death alluded to in your previous comments. As for not being able to calculate the total damages? There are actually quite a few estimates doing the rounds, and even posted here. So that's would be another bogus statement.

[Heppinger]

On 7/23/2020 at 4:47 PM, Morch said:

 

Maybe stop pretending not to be aware of how Trump supporters on these topic hype the protests. following Trump's own example. There were posters on here claiming these protests will bring about the fall of the US, never mind civilization.

 

Kinda doubt "destruction of property" would do that.

These protesters couldn't bring about the fall of an aged care facility let alone the US.  Though they will be blamed for the fall of the US.

[Bluespunk]

Federal agents are to leave

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/29/trump-administration-portland-protests-federal-agents?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Edited July 30, 2020 by Bluespunk

[metisdead]

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[thaibeachlovers]

On 7/27/2020 at 3:04 PM, simple1 said:

Remind me, what happened to the Portland Police chief? it has been referenced a number of times by local authorities Fed involvement is not contributing to reduction in violence and not wanted, Yes, de-escalation is a method that if used effectively will reduce tension / violence, though so far, a tactic appears to be not utilised by militarised Fed enforcement in Portland.

Are you advocating that the cops/ feds should just walk away and let the thugs burn everything down? If not, what?

[Tippaporn]

About time.

 

U.S. News - Portland Police Declare Unlawful Assembly During Protest

 

"Activists and Oregon officials urged people at Saturday night’s protest in Portland to re-center the focus on Black Lives Matter, three days after the Trump administration agreed to reduce the presence of federal agents."

 

Refocus on BLM, right?

[Tippaporn]

BLM is about what exactly?  Police violence against blacks?  Is it really?

 

Mail Online - Cuban restaurant owner in Louisville reveals how BLM sent him blackmail letter with diversity demands that he was told to meet or risk social media shaming, a public boycott and his storefront 'f***** with'

 

The full letter is reprinted in the article.  Among the demands, this one falls under Education:

 

Knowledge is crucial to efforts to correct the systems of racial oppression upheld by white-owned businesses.  I, therefore, commit to the following educational activities to guarantee that Black representation is achieved and maintained in the NuLu Business District:

 

• Attendance, by myself and ALL my staff, at an initial diversity, equity, and inclusion training that will be:
• Conducted in person.
• Inclusive and intersectional, addressing numerous characteristics, including, but not limited to race, class, gender, sexual orientation, and gender identity

 

Gender, sex orientation and gender identity??  The rest is just as mind blowing.  These people will take us back into the Dark Ages.

 

I'll ask again, is BLM really about police violence against blacks?

 

The Dems and libs not only go along with this stuff, they support it.  Un-frickin'-believable.

 

Edited August 4, 2020 by Tippaporn

[EVENKEEL]

On 7/30/2020 at 7:13 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you advocating that the cops/ feds should just walk away and let the thugs burn everything down? If not, what?

crickets.........

[Credo]

6 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

BLM is about what exactly?  Police violence against blacks?  Is it really?

 

Mail Online - Cuban restaurant owner in Louisville reveals how BLM sent him blackmail letter with diversity demands that he was told to meet or risk social media shaming, a public boycott and his storefront 'f***** with'

 

The full letter is reprinted in the article.  Among the demands, this one falls under Education:

 

Knowledge is crucial to efforts to correct the systems of racial oppression upheld by white-owned businesses.  I, therefore, commit to the following educational activities to guarantee that Black representation is achieved and maintained in the NuLu Business District:

 

• Attendance, by myself and ALL my staff, at an initial diversity, equity, and inclusion training that will be:
• Conducted in person.
• Inclusive and intersectional, addressing numerous characteristics, including, but not limited to race, class, gender, sexual orientation, and gender identity

 

Gender, sex orientation and gender identity??  The rest is just as mind blowing.  These people will take us back into the Dark Ages.

 

I'll ask again, is BLM really about police violence against blacks?

 

The Dems and libs not only go along with this stuff, they support it.  Un-frickin'-believable.

 

No, BLM is not JUST about police violence.  It's also about other issues, including systemic racism.   

 

[riclag]

1 hour ago, Credo said:

No, BLM is not JUST about police violence.  It's also about other issues, including systemic racism.   

 

 

1 hour ago, Credo said:

No, BLM is not JUST about police violence.  It's also about other issues, including systemic racism.   

 

"But resistance must not be allowed to harden into its own brand of dogma or coercion—which right-wing demagogues are already exploiting. The democratic inclusion we want can be achieved only if we speak out against the intolerant climate that has set in on all sides".

https://harpers.org/a-letter-on-justice-and-open-debate/

 

The world has seen that first sentence  carried out night after night in Portland and other cities! So much so that it has embolden many to speak out against burning and ripping away of  Americas institutions ,such as historical sites,federal sites, through lawless acts, while making a mockery of peacefully and the "right to assemble" to protest!

 

A large majority of Americans are for peaceful protest,not riots! Many prefer a democratic inclusion ,not threats of burning down the system !

Edited August 4, 2020 by riclag