Britain nears abandoning Brexit trade deal hope - The Telegraph

[Bluespunk]

Hmm, interesting read

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/28/brexit-will-deliver-double-shock-to-uk-economy-study-finds-coronavirus?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Edited July 28, 2020 by Bluespunk

[Airbagwill]

these negotiations are a joke for the UK - the choice is a bag of shoot or and even bigger bag of shoot.

how on earth did the UK get itself in such a ridiculous situation?

 

Edited July 28, 2020 by Airbagwill

[melvinmelvin]

24 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Hmm, interesting read

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/28/brexit-will-deliver-double-shock-to-uk-economy-study-finds-coronavirus?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

headline turned me off

sectors without corona problems  will be affected by Brexit

what a bright observation, requiring tons of mental effort that did

 

gosh, give me a break

 

[Bluespunk]

9 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

headline turned me off

sectors without corona problems  will be affected by Brexit

what a bright observation, requiring tons of mental effort that did

 

gosh, give me a break

 

The headline turned you off?

 

Facts are facts and dictate headlines. 
 

The realities of brexit need reporting upon, but the hard truths being revealed can be upsetting for some I guess. 

 

 

Edited July 28, 2020 by Bluespunk

[bert bloggs]

55 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Hmm, interesting read

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/28/brexit-will-deliver-double-shock-to-uk-economy-study-finds-coronavirus?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

no thanks its in the guardian,thats enough for me .

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

no thanks its in the guardian,thats enough for me .

Pesky honest journalism eh. 

[nauseus]

44 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

these negotiations are a joke for the UK - the choice is a bag of shoot or and even bigger bag of shoot.

how on earth did the UK get itself in such a ridiculous situation?

 

Easy. By joining Le Club.

[nauseus]

39 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

The headline turned you off?

 

Facts are facts and dictate headlines. 
 

The realities of brexit need reporting upon, but the hard truths being revealed can be upsetting for some I guess. 

 

 

A bit like weather forecasts.

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

A bit like weather forecasts.

Nope, though I will concede that there is a similarity given the accuracy of current weather forecasting technology. 

Edited July 28, 2020 by Bluespunk

[melvinmelvin]

36 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

The headline turned you off?

 

Facts are facts and dictate headlines. 
 

The realities of brexit need reporting upon, but the hard truths being revealed can be upsetting for some I guess. 

 

 

are you  serious at all? not on the sauce?

 

look at this;

 

Exclusive: LSE report says even sectors unscathed from coronavirus crisis will be severely affected

(by Brexit)

 

this is about as bright as saying that stale bread will remain stale after Brexit proper

well spotted by the msm

 

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

are you  serious at all? not on the sauce?

 

look at this;

 

Exclusive: LSE report says even sectors unscathed from coronavirus crisis will be severely affected

(by Brexit)

 

this is about as bright as saying that stale bread will remain stale after Brexit proper

well spotted by the msm

 

As I say, good to see the realities of brexit being revealed. 

[candide]

47 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

headline turned me off

sectors without corona problems  will be affected by Brexit

what a bright observation, requiring tons of mental effort that did

 

gosh, give me a break

 

Too bad, because it's quite interesting. It reports a study to be published by LSE that shows a differentiated impact of Brexit, depending on industry sectors.  To my surprise (????), it even shows a positive impact on some sectors.

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Too bad, because it's quite interesting. It reports a study to be published by LSE that shows a differentiated impact of Brexit, depending on industry sectors.  To my surprise (????), it even shows a positive impact on some sectors.

Positive? How can that be possible! Nah.

[melvinmelvin]

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

As I say, good to see the realities of brexit being revealed. 

ok, fair enough, can agree to the reality bit

 

but

not really new science though that shires and commercial activities, not bothered by the corona virus,

will also be affected by Brexit

 

thats kinda obvious to a good many people, even Brexiteers

and Guardian charges satang for selling this wisdom - well done

 

[Bluespunk]

18 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

ok, fair enough, can agree to the reality bit

 

but

not really new science though that shires and commercial activities, not bothered by the corona virus,

will also be affected by Brexit

 

thats kinda obvious to a good many people, even Brexiteers

and Guardian charges satang for selling this wisdom - well done

 

It may be the reality but it’s a reality many don’t want to admit to. 
 

Cold, hard truths need to be spelled out for such. 

Edited July 28, 2020 by Bluespunk

[Logosone]

Boris Johnson has an autonomy fetish. The UK prime minister’s fetish is the belief that his country not only has the sovereign right to shoot itself in both feet, but also has a duty to do so if the alternative is to allow EU institutions any role in its affairs. Brexit, he insists, means autonomy.

 

As a matter of international law, the UK is sovereign. But sovereignty is not the same thing as power. The EU has 446m people, against the UK’s 66m. Its economy is almost six times as big as the UK’s. The EU is also much less dependent on trade with the UK than is true the other way round. Let us be clear: this is not a relationship between equals. 

 

The difficulty for the UK in its relationship with the EU is rather that it is too small to be an equal and too big not to matter. It is almost as important a trading partner of the EU as the US. That is because distance is crucial in determining bilateral trade flows. Since the UK is a far more important trading partner of the EU than Canada, the bloc is also more wary of Britain’s capacity to disrupt its economy.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/de2a1e52-4677-11ea-aee2-9ddbdc86190d

[melvinmelvin]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

Boris Johnson has an autonomy fetish. The UK prime minister’s fetish is the belief that his country not only has the sovereign right to shoot itself in both feet, but also has a duty to do so if the alternative is to allow EU institutions any role in its affairs. Brexit, he insists, means autonomy.

 

As a matter of international law, the UK is sovereign. But sovereignty is not the same thing as power. The EU has 446m people, against the UK’s 66m. Its economy is almost six times as big as the UK’s. The EU is also much less dependent on trade with the UK than is true the other way round. Let us be clear: this is not a relationship between equals. 

 

The difficulty for the UK in its relationship with the EU is rather that it is too small to be an equal and too big not to matter. It is almost as important a trading partner of the EU as the US. That is because distance is crucial in determining bilateral trade flows. Since the UK is a far more important trading partner of the EU than Canada, the bloc is also more wary of Britain’s capacity to disrupt its economy.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/de2a1e52-4677-11ea-aee2-9ddbdc86190d

 

see bold above

 

sure of that? I don't know but according to what I've read all over TVF for years,

it is the other way round

 

barstool rambling all over LoS also tell the opposite of what you opine

 

in a year or two we'll see

 

[Airbagwill]

5 hours ago, pixelaoffy said:

Oh dear !  Barnier's mouthpiece let out his hole 

QED

[welovesundaysatspace]

26 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

see bold above

 

sure of that? I don't know but according to what I've read all over TVF for years,

it is the other way round

The only place where you could potentially have read that on TVF is in the comments of Brexiteers, which we know are a good source for laughs but not so much for facts and meaningful analysis. Let’s wait for the first to show up and make a fool of himself by mentioning the trade deficit ???? 

 

Anyway:

 

 

Edited July 28, 2020 by welovesundaysatspace

[nauseus]

40 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The only place where you could potentially have read that on TVF is in the comments of Brexiteers, which we know are a good source for laughs but not so much for facts and meaningful analysis. Let’s wait for the first to show up and make a fool of himself by mentioning the trade deficit ???? 

 

Anyway:

 

 

One on 27. It just ain't fair guvna.

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The only place where you could potentially have read that on TVF is in the comments of Brexiteers, which we know are a good source for laughs but not so much for facts and meaningful analysis. Let’s wait for the first to show up and make a fool of himself by mentioning the trade deficit ???? 

 

Anyway:

 

 

 

you know,

interesting bit about your graphs is that you can walk around the corner find another source with

different analysis and different graphs

(nowadays graphs are wishes rather than renderings of reality - alas)

 

assuming  that the step from Brino to Brexit is taken before the end of this year,

then wait a couple of years from now and you will see where its going

 

 

[englishoak]

[Airbagwill]

2 hours ago, englishoak said:

Interesting thing about graphs is that Bres\xiteers dimes tea all as "project fear" but don't supply any more convincing alternatives.

Edited July 28, 2020 by Airbagwill

[Logosone]

7 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

see bold above

 

sure of that? I don't know but according to what I've read all over TVF for years,

it is the other way round

 

barstool rambling all over LoS also tell the opposite of what you opine

 

in a year or two we'll see

 

It's a simple questions of maths, isn't it?

 

The misconception that the EU needs the UK more than the other way round is based on a mistake when interpreting numbers. It is based on the belief that because the UK has a trade deficit with the EU, ie buys more from the EU than the EU buys from the UK therefore the EU needs the UK more than viceversa.

 

To illustrate the error of this obvious misinterpretation of figures consider this:

 

The EU - with a population of more than half a billion and an annual economic activity or GDP of around £15 trillion - has a trade surplus with Andorra, which has a population of about 80,000 and GDP of less than £3bn.

 

Does that mean that the EU needs Andorra more than Andorra needs the EU? It would, of course, be an absurd suggestion. Why? Because the EU's economy is so much larger.

 

And what about Germany's carmakers? The head of Germany's car industry association Matthias Wissman said last year: "however important the United Kingdom is to us as a market, the cohesion of the EU 27 and their single market are even more important to our industry".

 

The UK economy is both smaller than the EU's and has a services trade surplus. In 2016, services exports to the EU were 7.2% of UK GDP; for the EU 27 services exports to the UK were 1.1% of their GDP. All these figures point in the same direction. The UK looks more exposed in the event of disruption to trade relations.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46612362

 

Of course the UK is not Andorra and the pain for EU countries will be considerable as a result of Brexit. However, it will be much less than the pain for the UK, as the above BBC article makes clear.

Edited July 29, 2020 by Logosone

[welovesundaysatspace]

6 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

you know,

interesting bit about your graphs is that you can walk around the corner find another source with

different analysis and different graphs

Sure, and you can also find people telling you that bleach cures Covid or that the earth is flat or that the trade deficit has anything to do with who has more negotiating power. What do you expect; that we do the thinking for you and weed out all the garbage? 

 

6 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

(nowadays graphs are wishes rather than renderings of reality - alas)

 

assuming  that the step from Brino to Brexit is taken before the end of this year,

then wait a couple of years from now and you will see where its going

The question was what country is more or less dependent on trade with the other country. The question was not “where its going”. 

[bert bloggs]

12 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Pesky honest journalism eh. 

So honest they have to beg for money to keep going because nobody will pay to read their lefty rubbish.????

[Henryford]

We were never going to get a good deal. The EUSSR's only objective is to punish Britain to stop all the other 27 running for the door.

[welovesundaysatspace]

19 minutes ago, Henryford said:

We were never going to get a good deal.

 

[Logosone]

24 minutes ago, Henryford said:

We were never going to get a good deal. The EUSSR's only objective is to punish Britain to stop all the other 27 running for the door.

What are you talking about, the UK could have got a great deal. It just had to honour previous agreements it made about EU fleet's access to fish, sign up to a fair and level playing field, as again the UK government had promised to do in the UK parliament, but then failed to adhere to, 

 

The EU will face major trade disruption due to the idiotic Brexit decision by the pensioners and anti-foreigners, and how can it monitor if the UK complies with state aid rules or ECJ decisions? If the UK does not do so the only option is to terminate the trade agreement.

 

Without a positive commitment by the UK this was never going to work, but the UK's insistence on a non-issue like fish clearly shows there was no intention to make a deal. 

 

Though of course this may just be a smart negotiating ploy. Pretend not to care, then offer to surrender at the last minute.

 

Just like Johnson surrendered on Northern Ireland, which he claimed he would never do, then sold his surrender as a victory.

[bert bloggs]

Greece has just announced that the future is looking good .owing to the hand out from the EU ,wonder how the people from the countrys that have to keep on propping the likes of Greece up feel? how long before they want to leave?