Trump raises possibility of delaying November U.S. presidential election

[Tippaporn]

9 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

I have seen you post in previous posts Tippaporn and it always follows exactly the same formula so I think I'm spot on when I say I gaurantee you did not have an opinion of mail-in voting BEFORE Trump made it a thing. And once Trump makes it a thing, you fall obediantly in line like all Trump fans do and try your utmost to justify HIS stance. Facts don't matter to you because you can cherry pick your own facts with that one time you know, when it happened they way Trump says it could happen. Never mind the fact that there's been literally thousands of times when it didn't happen; that one time is good enough for your echo chamber.

There is no point debating you as there often is no point in debating most ardent Trump fans because the world is against you and your beloved leader and  you'll be damned if they get the final word when you've still got breath in your lungs to argue black is white.

It's boring and predictable and I only hope come November we will hear the last of all Trump fans once and for all. 

Happy to hear that you have me pegged, johnny.  Of course you couldn't be more wrong but does that matter to you?  Next you'll be claiming that you know me better than I do.  You could just call me a liar, too.  LOL

[Tippaporn]

27 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

So you're saying that, according to another poster it has been active in 32 states for years already, it hasn't been tested yet?

As I mentioned in my earlier post, it ain't apples to apples.  Maybe to you it is but not to me.

 

I may as well ask you, too . . . did you watch the video of the CBS News test?  If you did do you comprehend the very real results?  Watch it and then get back to me with your arguments.

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by Tippaporn

[Susco]

11 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Geez, try dealing with the real world instead of an imagined one.

 

Geez, there are a few more hardcore Trump supporters like yourself on this forum, but I usually respect their argumentation, because they post valid sources and are open to a reasonable discussion.

 

I have seen your posts in these threads during the past few months, and the only thing I can conclude from them, is that you are delusional.

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

Ah, truth hurting is it. 
 

It might not scare you, but it is another piece of the jigsaw that is in all probability going to lead trump to ignominious defeat this November. 

Go ahead and make sh!t up and believe it's r-e-a-l.  I don't care how you fool yourself.  Your life, not mine.

I’ve not made anything up. Merely referring to the success of this republican campaign against trump. 

"Ah, truth hurting is it."

 

Well, then explain to whom you were referring to?  LOL

 

Was it a success?  And the measurement was?  Maybe they were all patting each other on the back over the fact that Trump responded to them with a tweet so that must have meant success?

[Tippaporn]

3 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

Geez, there are a few more hardcore Trump supporters like yourself on this forum, but I usually respect their argumentation, because they post valid sources and are open to a reasonable discussion.

 

I have seen your posts in these threads during the past few months, and the only thing I can conclude from them, is that you are delusional.

So did I not post a valid source in support of my viewpoint?  Have I not discussed thoroughly my reasoning for my position in a reasoned manner?  Or am I delusional?  LOL

[Tie Dye Samurai]

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Blah, blah, blah.  I've heard it all before and I think your analyses and rationales are bogus and based on a whole lotta bias.

 

Point still is that there's no valid reason for mail-in-voting.  Going to the polls is no more dangerous than going to the store to buy food.  No difference.  People are allowed to go buy hemp and that's somehow different than going to the polls to vote?  So if there's no difference then why the push for mail-in-voting?  Somebody sees an advantage.  I'm not as naive.  Nowhere close.  Look beyond your nose.

You are INCREDIBLY NAIVE if you think that:

1, Going to the grocery store in America is not dangerous right now, especially if the whole nation went to the same grocery stores at the exact time day and place with a pandemic that is out of control and killing over 150K Americans in 5 months.

2. Equating buying Hemp at a dispensary with voting...Please let me invest in the "hemp store" that gets as much foot traffic as the polls on election day. Talk about printing money...

3. The reason to push mail in voting is so that....and i cant believe August 2020 I am actually having to say this: People should not be congregating in one place at one time, especially for something as populace as THE GENERAL ELECTION when a mail in option is available. Having to make a choice between your right to vote and your own well being should be unacceptable situation in every instance.

 

So yes, I am going to politely but firmly dispute your charge that you are nowhere close to being naive based on your choices, rationales, accusations and examples. I believe you are incredibly close if not spot on.

Edited August 2, 2020 by Tie Dye Samurai

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

I've posted before that I've heard and read all of the pros and cons.  I've also posted all of my reasoning.  Security is the issue.  It ain't been tested before and first time around things can go horribly wrong.  I wouldn't risk it on one of the most important presidential elections since the last one.

 

Going to vote is no different than going shopping.  The goddamned country has been doing it since it's inception.  So your excuse is what?

 

Mail in votes have been used in every single Federal Election since the Civil War.

 

You claim to have read all the pros and cons yet are seemingly oblivious to the long history of securely voting by post.

[rvaviator]

On 7/31/2020 at 8:59 AM, AndrewMciver said:

His only hope is a vaccine. 

This is fascinating - In what way have he contributed to creating a vaccine? Does he have a side gig going were he need to wear a white coat?

 

Why should the vaccine have anything do do with him getting re-elected or not ?

 

[Bluespunk]

45 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

"Ah, truth hurting is it."

 

Well, then explain to whom you were referring to?  LOL

 

Was it a success?  And the measurement was?  Maybe they were all patting each other on the back over the fact that Trump responded to them with a tweet so that must have meant success?

Truth hurting is the explanation I gathered from your extraordinary response to a post of mine. 
 

It was without doubt a success, donations over 20 million now. As the report states, 2 million dollars donated after trump responded.
 

He is being dragged off message and engaging in personal grievance tweeting by this campaign which is one of this republican groups goals. 

Their message is reaching a wider audience because of increased funds and trump’s response to their campaign. 
 

 

So, donations up, more people hearing their message and trump going off topic, yep, that’s a success. 

Edited August 2, 2020 by Bluespunk

[GinBoy2]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Well, South Dakota has an ID law?  Good on them.  Doesn't go far enough, though.  Should be a form of ID that identifies you as a citizen.  I see "passport" as an acceptable form of ID but a drivers license will do, too.  I was a green card holder and had a drivers license so I could have voted if I wanted to.  I never did, though.  Would have been illegal, but who's to know, right?  My conscience knew.

 

The mass scale you're referring to (number of states) isn't the same as the mass scale I'm referring to.  Not apples to apples.  I'm talking about mass mail-in-ballots.  Did you check out the CBS News link I posted a few hours ago?  Argue with the results.

You do understand that your DL identifies you are citizen or non citizen?

 

The reason that the Trump administration requested DL information as part of the census was for that very fact.

 

When you first get a DL you need to provide evidence of either citizenship or Green Card status. I think I remember you said you used to have a green card which means you needed to provide your green card or I-551 when you went to DMV.

 

We had to do this when my wife went to DMV to get her DL, so you are making up facts to suit your narrative

 

Thats recorded forever

[Chomper Higgot]

Mail in votes are already used extensively (the President himself and his family all use mail in votes), expatriate Americans here in Thailand and elsewhere use mail in votes.

 

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/all-mail-elections.aspx

 

 

The far bigger issue in this coming election is gerrymandering, and efforts to deny people their vote, the 2018 Mid-Terms gave us all an insight into the organised efforts to deny large numbers of people their vote, expect more of the same in the coming election and don't expect to hear any Trump supporter complaining about it. 

 

 

[GinBoy2]

Here we go, the hypocrite in chief

 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/07/31/trump-ballot-access-hollywood-2004-dons-take-ctn-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

[rabas]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Mail in votes have been used in every single Federal Election since the Civil War.

 

You claim to have read all the pros and cons yet are seemingly oblivious to the long history of securely voting by post.

Apples and oranges. We've had much worse pandemics than this, the 1918 Spanish flu. Political campaigns were even limited to just 5 days and voter turnout took a massive hit. Yet incredibly they did not resort to mass postal voting. They knew what would happen.  Everyone knows.

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, rabas said:

Apples and oranges. We've had much worse pandemics than this, the 1918 Spanish flu. Political campaigns were even limited to just 5 days and voter turnout took a massive hit. Yet incredibly they did not resort to mass postal voting. They knew what would happen.  Everyone knows.

Apples and Oranges you say, and yet Trump is suggesting delaying the election all together.

 

As for your claim that 'They knew what would happen', its unsubstantiated, as is your 'Everyone knows'

 

 

[rabas]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Apples and Oranges you say, and yet Trump is suggesting delaying the election all together.

Trump was not president in 1918 (of course) but considering the super low turnout maybe it would have been a good idea. At least everyone would have a fair chance to vote. Some countries did delay votes that year, I believe.

 

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

As for your claim that 'They knew what would happen', its unsubstantiated, as is your 'Everyone knows'

Ok, maybe now days some in the US may not know. But historically its well known, which is why everywhere in the world has always protected against voter fraud and election monitoring is so wide spread.

 

No one can feign surprise.

[Scott]

Uninformative, bickering posts and replies removed.  

 

[cdemundo]

On 7/30/2020 at 8:08 AM, Logosone said:

It's right here, happened in North Carolina. They had to redo the election:

 

Election re-run in North Carolina after voter fraud inquiry

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47323556

 

Absolutely, and Republicans were the guilty parties.  So as has been previously said, the cries of voter fraud are projection.

[GinBoy2]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

Apples and oranges. We've had much worse pandemics than this, the 1918 Spanish flu. Political campaigns were even limited to just 5 days and voter turnout took a massive hit. Yet incredibly they did not resort to mass postal voting. They knew what would happen.  Everyone knows.

Know what?

 

I vote by mail.

 

Should I be denied that vote?

 

Should any other citizen be denied the same right I have to vote by mail?

 

I struggle with the argument, that it's OK for me, but perish the thought too many vote by mail.

 

I'm an Hispanic American, which for many of those who to seem belated, that think mail in voting is bad, should probably be excluded from mail in voting, but my God I might just vote the wrong way!

 

I'd guarantee you that the majority of South Dakotan's mail in votes are for the Republicans. 

 

Should those Republican South Dakotans be denied the right to do a mail in ballot, or is it OK because they are (generally) white and Republican?

Edited August 2, 2020 by GinBoy2

[AndrewMciver]

2 hours ago, rvaviator said:

This is fascinating - In what way have he contributed to creating a vaccine? Does he have a side gig going were he need to wear a white coat?

 

Why should the vaccine have anything do do with him getting re-elected or not ?

 

 

Believe it or not, before the virus hit, the US economy was booming, property prices going up, wages going up, unemployment very low. He may well have won.

 

If he can turn the narrative that he 'defeated' the virus, it will be much better optics than thousands people dying a day. 

[Jingthing]

20 minutes ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

Believe it or not, before the virus hit, the US economy was booming, property prices going up, wages going up, unemployment very low. He may well have won.

 

If he can turn the narrative that he 'defeated' the virus, it will be much better optics than thousands people dying a day. 

Too late and he knows it.

[JTXR]

On 7/30/2020 at 9:56 PM, Cryingdick said:

Pompeo says it is possible that the election could be delayed. Just heard that reported. LOL

The Secretary of State has no voice in this.  Only Congress does.  From the Constitution: “The Congress may determine the Time of choosing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.”  Even if Congress wanted to delay the vote (which the current House would never go for), the 20th Amendment to the Constitution makes clear that Trump's term of office ends on 20 January 2021.  The fool just doesn't have the balls to face the electorate.

[JTXR]

3 hours ago, rabas said:

Apples and oranges. We've had much worse pandemics than this, the 1918 Spanish flu. Political campaigns were even limited to just 5 days and voter turnout took a massive hit. Yet incredibly they did not resort to mass postal voting. They knew what would happen.  Everyone knows.

Nonsense.  In five states (Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington) EVERYONE already votes by mail.  In other states millions of voters vote by mail and have done for years and years.  And there is no evidence, NONE, that it leads to any increase in electoral fraud.  Only the hopelessly gullible believe it does.

[candide]

5 hours ago, Susco said:

 

Geez, there are a few more hardcore Trump supporters like yourself on this forum, but I usually respect their argumentation, because they post valid sources and are open to a reasonable discussion.

 

I have seen your posts in these threads during the past few months, and the only thing I can conclude from them, is that you are delusional.

Come on! You are not fair. He provided a link to a video! ????

[dundee48]

29 minutes ago, candide said:

Come on! You are not fair. He provided a link to a video! ????

As opposed to a link to nyt wapo which would of course be acceptable.

Liberals are so funny.

[candide]

5 minutes ago, dundee48 said:

As opposed to a link to nyt wapo which would of course be acceptable.

Liberals are so funny.

Broken record, anyone?

[Scott]

An inflammatory post and reply removed.   Continued misuse of usernames will earn a suspension.  

 

[heybruce]

12 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

"Vote by mail is safe, easy, and proven."

 

You must not have watched the video from CBS News.  LOL  You guys are a riot.

You mean the video that showed that people who choose to mail in their votes need to allow adequate time for delivery?  Useful information, but nothing that invalidates vote by mail.

[heybruce]

11 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

I've voted almost exclusively mail in, be it in California, or Thailand and now South Dakota for years

 

Apart from Thailand, the primary reason I'm not ashamed to say it was laziness.

 

Especially in California where the voter guide to propositions can look like a small novel, I just like to sit at my kitchen table read the information, mark the ballot and mail it off.

 

As for, it'll increase time for results, I'm skeptical about that. I think most people who do absentee voting mail their ballots back very early, I know I do

It's possible the complete vote count won't be available until days after the election, especially in states that haven't set up for a large increase in mail in votes.  Plus, some state don't start counting mail in ballots until election day.

 

"And while some states count the ballots as they come in, others — notably the critical battlegrounds of Michigan and Pennsylvania — have laws that forbid processing mail ballots until Election Day, guaranteeing the count will extend well past that night."   https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-07-30/election-results-may-be-delayed-but-not-because-of-fraud

 

This doesn't invalidate the legitimacy of mail in votes, and I'm willing to wait a few days for final results if necessary.  However it's certain Trump will be crying "Fraud" about this and everything else if he loses.

[heybruce]

11 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

I'll reply to you and the other posters with similar comments.  Personally, I don't have an issue with mail-in-voting and I'll agree with you that there are benefits.  As long as it's secure, though.  Call me cynical if you like but I'm highly distrustful of politicians when they're h3ll bent on pushing something through giving flimsy reasons for doing so.  And using Covid as a reason is flimsy in my opinion.  No one here has confronted my point that going to the polls is no different than going to buy groceries or hemp.  Therefore their reasoning is suspect.  It's well known that politicians have agendas much different than those they speak and I'm long past believing they're altruistic and have the "people" in their hearts.  Not saying none exist that do.

 

It's fact that the Dems and libs (O.K., some Republicans, too) have been fixated on removing Trump from office since before he was sworn in.  They tried with the Russia hoax, which is now being exposed for what it truly was (and I believe some people will burn for it).  They tried with the Mueller probe, which failed and I believe will also be exposed as an utter sham.  They tried with impeachment, which was another set-up (I know, I know . . . believe what you will, I don't care) and that failed.  Does anyone truly believe that those wishing to depose Trump aren't ruthless and conniving?  And even a bit of blood on their hands wouldn't prevent them from catching a good night's sleep.

 

No.  This push for mail-in-voting stinks to me.

"No one here has confronted my point that going to the polls is no different than going to buy groceries or hemp."

 

Bull.  I pointed out that polling stations are open on one specific day during specific hours that conflict with work and other obligations for many people.  I also pointed out that closing polling stations in high risk areas and a shortage of poll workers due to concerns about Covid 19 will lead to fewer stations and longer lines, increasing transmission risk.  The same does not apply to grocery and hemp stores.

 

All you've done is say you don't trust vote by mail because sensible elected officials are promoting it.

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, rabas said:

Apples and oranges. We've had much worse pandemics than this, the 1918 Spanish flu. Political campaigns were even limited to just 5 days and voter turnout took a massive hit. Yet incredibly they did not resort to mass postal voting. They knew what would happen.  Everyone knows.

States did not take steps to promote vote by mail during the Spanish flu and voter turnout took a massive hit.  Thank you for pointing that out.

 

Yes, everyone knows there is no evidence that vote by mail will lead to significant fraud.