Trump defends accused Kenosha gunman, saying his life was likely in danger

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

If the kid was about to get attacked and potentially killed , you can forgive him for shooting in self defence 

What was he doing outside with that big weapon to start with?

[Boon Mee]

???? % self defense plus the rifle he used was ???? % legal as well. 

[RoadWarrior371]

18 minutes ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

Not clear on that until the trial, but the first victim was in a heated argument 1 hour earlier with the group that Kyle R. arrived with.  Looks like he wanted to burn stuff down, and the armed group stopped him.  The first victim is actually on video screaming at the armed guys guarding the gas station, screaming  "Shoot me N*er, shoot me!".  ????

Video one hour before the first shooting, the first victim is the rocket scientist in the Red T-shirt with the black pocket.  Kyle R. is elsewhere giving first aid to peppers-sprayed citizens and got cut off from his big group by a police line.

 

 

[RoadWarrior371]

4 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

What was he doing outside with that big weapon to start with?

Come to Texas son, we will show you big.  That is a pea-shooter. ????

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, steelepulse said:

Looks like the law is open to intrepretation, as are most all laws.

 

It would have helped if you had actually read the provisions of the law, before you started making ill-informed arguments, like "a 17 year old can lawfully possess such a weapon" in Wisconsin.

 

If you actually read the provisions of the law, it's pretty darned clear that none of the narrow exceptions it lays out for minors possessing guns in that state even remotely applied in the case at hand.

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Eric Loh]

Kids with guns and we decry incidents of serious injuries and fatalities caused by armed kids in Thailand. US no better than Thailand. 

[FritsSikkink]

1 minute ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

Come to Texas son, we will show you big.  That is a pea-shooter. ????

Says it all about the dumb " I need my gun otherwise I don't feel like a man " mentality.  

[Pattaya Spotter]

9 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

What was he doing outside with that big weapon to start with?

It's not relevant to the question of his state of mind at the time he fired his weapon. 

[FritsSikkink]

1 minute ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

It's not relevant to the question of his state of mind at the time he fired his weapon. 

In civilized countries it is.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

 

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/26/wisconsin-open-carry-law-kyle-rittenhouse-legally-have-gun-kenosha-protest-shooting-17-year-old/3444231001/

 

 The Milwaukee Journal article also has 2 lawyers saying there is significant doubt and ambiguity as to whether Kyle was allowed to carry his rifle. 

 

Noticed you managed to leave out the part of the article just before the two gun attorney comments:

 

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Under Wisconsin statutes that say anyone under 18 who "goes armed" with any deadly weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor, Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, was not old enough to legally carry the assault-style rifle he had.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

???? % self defense plus the rifle he used was ???? % legal as well. 

 

The rifle may have been legal, but the 17-year-old carrying it was not... not under Wisconsin law.

 

[candide]

25 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

 Why am I reading again and again and again on this forum that Kyle illegally took his weapon across state lines? Does anyone have one of these credible sources to back up the questionable narrative? In the meantime...

 

"Kyle did not carry a gun across state line," L. Lin Wood said in a tweet Friday morning. "The gun belonged to his friend, a Wisconsin resident. The gun never left the state of Wisconsin." 

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/26/wisconsin-open-carry-law-kyle-rittenhouse-legally-have-gun-kenosha-protest-shooting-17-year-old/3444231001/

 

 The Milwaukee Journal article also has 2 lawyers saying there is significant doubt and ambiguity as to whether Kyle was allowed to carry his rifle. 

From your source

"Under Wisconsin statutes that say anyone under 18 who "goes armed" with any deadly weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor, Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, was not old enough to legally carry the assault-style rifle he had.

But John Monroe, a lawyer who specializes in gun rights cases, believes an exception for rifles and shotguns, intended to allow people age 16 and 17 to hunt, could apply."

 

So he was just "hunting", no problem! ????

[Neeranam]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The accused murderer is a white nationalist vigilante and an American president defends him. How low can he go? Always lower.

it makes no difference what the attacked man was. I guess you say a woman deserves to be raped if she is wearing sexy clothes.

You have demonstrated that you are a bad loser from the last election and attack this president at any possible moment. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Why was the shooter being chased?

 

At the original point prior to any of his shootings, I don't think there's been any explanation/evidence of that... at least, not that I've seen.

 

After he shot and killed his first victim, then, it's pretty obviously why he was being chased. He'd just shot and killed a man.

 

 

[CorpusChristie]

30 minutes ago, simple1 said:

really becoming nonsensical - in your scenario guy would be acting illegally - bye

Yes, you missed the point .

The driver arrested for DIU could not say that as he was illegally driving the car, that he would then be not liable for prosecution

  Whether the drunk driver was legally or illegally driving the car would be irrelevant , same as the kid, whether he legally or illegally had the gun, that is irrelevant as well .

[The Barmbeker]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

He had the right to walk up and down the street , the rioters do not own the streets .

If he thought there were violent people out on the streets , he has the right to take safety measures to protect himself 

No he had no right to do that with a gun, because he was a minor and it was past curfew!

He was also from another state and had no right to be there!

Enough with the nonesense!

[CorpusChristie]

23 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

What was he doing outside with that big weapon to start with?

There were lots of violent people out on the streets 

[Eric Loh]

I am sure Trump got his pardon card handy for the kid. Red meat and dog whistle at the ready for the fake law and order President. 

[Pattaya Spotter]

10 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

In civilized countries it is.

The state of mind of someone when they fire a gun isn't relevant in "civilized" countries...so you mean they can fire them whenever they want?

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, The Barmbeker said:

No he had no right to do that with a gun, because he was a minor and it was past curfew!

He was also from another state and had no right to be there!

Enough with the nonesense!

Yes, but using that rifle would be a different matter .

Whether he was legally there would be one issue , whether he acted in self defence or not, would be a separate issue .

  Or do you have the Thai mentality *If he wasnt there , then it wouldnt have happened* ?

[Pattaya Spotter]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I am sure Trump got his pardon card handy for the kid. Red meat and dog whistle at the ready for the fake law and order President. 

A president can only pardon federal crimes...these are state level charges. Maybe a brush-up on the Constitution is in order?

[The Barmbeker]

52 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Why was the shooter being chased?

Hmmmm...isn't there a hint, somewhere hidden in your question?

[Pattaya Spotter]

Say what you will about all this...having 3 people killed during a week of the US presidential campaign sure makes for a dramatic race...and there is still over 2 months to go; the rest of you have such boring elections ????????????

[Heppinger]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You can be a full on far right wing domestic terrorist but if you love 45 he loves you back. 

Clowns to the Left of me, Jokers to the Right! Here I am stuck in the middle with you.

Edited September 1, 2020 by Heppinger

[PatOngo]

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

That is irrelevant , the only relevant thing was whether he acted in self defence or not .

The relevant thing to outsiders is....America is in crisis and nobody seems to be in control!

[playyer]

Where is the police?

Stuff like this will happen when personal property is not protected. And mobs rule the streets. 

The leader of that state is to be blamed. 

If the "protesters" had not been setting fires to peoples stuff this would never had happened.

All I saw from the videos was self defence. And a failed state.

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

The relevant thing to outsiders is....America is in crisis and nobody seems to be in control!

Its only certain areas that are out of control , not the whole Country

[brommers]

To this outsider there is a strange fascination in watching a nation that cannot differentiate between the Kardashians and real life. And as for lecturing the rest of the world about democracy I can only say "on yer bike sonny" to Trump, Pompeo and the rest of that junta.

[Heppinger]

12 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Say what you will about all this...having 3 people killed during a week of the US presidential campaign sure makes for a dramatic race...and there is still over 2 months to go; the rest of you have such boring elections ????????????

I see how you incorporated the word race there.  Very well done.

[Jingthing]

27 minutes ago, playyer said:

Where is the police?

Stuff like this will happen when personal property is not protected. And mobs rule the streets. 

The leader of that state is to be blamed. 

If the "protesters" had not been setting fires to peoples stuff this would never had happened.

All I saw from the videos was self defence. And a failed state.

A failed president.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/31/cornered-trump-tries-foment-race-war/?hpid=hp_opinions-for-wide-side_opinion-card-e%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

 

 

Cornered, Trump tries to foment a race war

 

In nature, an animal is most dangerous when cornered and wounded. The same is proving true in the closing months of President Trump’s term.

Trump botched the coronavirus pandemic, bungled the economic recovery and flubbed the handling of civil rights demonstrations. 

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by Jingthing