Trump defends accused Kenosha gunman, saying his life was likely in danger

[Pilotman]

9 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The police kill more white than black people per year...almost twice as many. How about people look at the facts and not relying on emotions and media hysteria when discussing the police.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

I take it that you do not mean that it's okay then?  It just shows how corrupt and  pathetically moronic the US police are as a group. 

[DBath]

2 minutes ago, Heppinger said:

Facts are tantamount to heresy when concerning cultural marxists.  Hysterical they will get when their emotions are not celebrated. 

...”the rate of fatal police shootingsamong Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of August 2020.” That’s pretty much in line with the disproportionately greater amount of crimes committed by blacks. 

[DBath]

3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

I would prefer to have Police brutality, rather than mob rule on the streets 

Amen to that

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, jcsmith said:

Black Americans represent 13% of the population, white Americans are at least 60.4% and up to 72% depending on how you classify hispanics.  But let's say 60% to 13% you'd expect if all things were equal to see 4.6x more whites shot by police than blacks if all things were equal. That's not what you see:

Year on Year Number of Whites vs. Blacks killed ratio:

2017: 2.04x
2018: 1.9x
2019: 1.57x
2020: 1.96x
Average: 1.87x more whites are killed by police than blacks.
Expected ratio: 4.6x more.

That means that blacks by population are shot 247% more often than whites. And it's not just in shootings. You can see similar numbers across the board in the justice system. 
 

Are they shot because they are Black ?

Is that the sole reason why they get shot ?

[tribalfusion001]

3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

I would prefer to have Police brutality, rather than mob rule on the streets 

You live in Chiang Mai don't you and from the UK, hardly going to affect you lol.

[Heppinger]

Just now, DBath said:

Any idiot who watches the entire video (Not just the last part that CNN keeps showing) will see it was clearly self defense. 

Your dealing with marxists that have the emotional and cognitive abilities of children, special needs children that is.  They are not interested in facts or evidence, they despise a society centered around traditional family and culture hence why they are hell bent on destroying it.  

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

I would prefer to have Police brutality, rather than mob rule on the streets 

Authoritarian countries with dictators practiced that but America is not or maybe it's different under Trump.

[CorpusChristie]

Just now, tribalfusion001 said:

You live in Chiang Mai don't you and from the UK, hardly going to affect you lol.

I can opine on on situations that may or may not directly effect myself 

[tribalfusion001]

Just now, Heppinger said:

Your dealing with marxists that have the emotional and cognitive abilities of children, special needs children that is.  They are not interested in facts or evidence, they despise a society centered around traditional family and culture hence why they are hell bent on destroying it.  

Self defence with a AR-15 assualt rifle, the military version is the M16, I suppose soldiers are firing their rifles in self defence, but he ain't a soldier!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The police kill more white than black people per year...almost twice as many. How about people look at the facts and not relying on emotions and media hysteria when discussing the police.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

 

More false arguments... More whites are killed because there are VASTLY more white people in the population than blacks.  When adjusted for their relatives presence in the population, blacks are far more likely to be killed by police than whites. Stop trotting out the same old false Trump arguments.

 

 

[DBath]

8 minutes ago, jcsmith said:

Black Americans represent 13% of the population, white Americans are at least 60.4% and up to 72% depending on how you classify hispanics.  But let's say 60% to 13% you'd expect if all things were equal to see 4.6x more whites shot by police than blacks if all things were equal. That's not what you see:

Year on Year Number of Whites vs. Blacks killed ratio:

2017: 2.04x
2018: 1.9x
2019: 1.57x
2020: 1.96x
Average: 1.87x more whites are killed by police than blacks.
Expected ratio: 4.6x more.

That means that blacks by population are shot 247% more often than whites. And it's not just in shootings. You can see similar numbers across the board in the justice system. 
 

From what I saw while living in Chicago, blacks commit about 247% more crimes than whites, so...for that city your numbers make sense????????????

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Self defence with a AR-15 assualt rifle, the military version is the M16, I suppose soldiers are firing their rifles in self defence, but he ain't a soldier!

 

Nor is/was he a police officer, despite whatever grand illusions he may have had at age 17.

 

 

[Heppinger]

4 minutes ago, DBath said:

...”the rate of fatal police shootingsamong Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of August 2020.” That’s pretty much in line with the disproportionately greater amount of crimes committed by blacks. 

Yep, in every one of these cases you see a degenerate with a history of violent crime failing to follow clear and basic commands from the police officers.  While the MSM ignore a 5 year old white child being executed in the street by a black man.  Can we have the stats by ethnicity of violent crime towards the elderly and young or maybe the black on white compared to white on black rape.  

[tribalfusion001]

1 minute ago, Thomas J said:

Jimthing

 

I dont understand your specific kind of stupidity but I do admire your conviction to it.  THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT THE YOUNG MAN WAS A WHITE NATIONALIST VIGILANTE.  

 

There is however documentation if you ever bothered to look up facts that all three of the people who he shot WERE CONVICTED FELONS.  Boy what a coincident that these "peaceful protesters" were all former criminals 

 

So they deserved to die then?

[xtrnuno41]

Yha right self defense. You go out and take with you an assault rifle.

Then you plan on killing someone. BS self defense.

[Heppinger]

5 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Self defence with a AR-15 assualt rifle, the military version is the M16, I suppose soldiers are firing their rifles in self defence, but he ain't a soldier!

Amazing isn't it, I/m actually campaigning at the moment against soccer mums driving turbo diesal 4x4 in suburban streets.  They say its for travelling but she ain't a bushman.

[dunroaming]

The more I read the posts by the Trump excusers the more I realise just how screwed up the USA really is.  I made an agreement with my American friends never to discuss American politics since Trump was elected.  They say it is just too embarrassing.

[DBath]

12 minutes ago, Heppinger said:

Your dealing with marxists that have the emotional and cognitive abilities of children, special needs children that is.  They are not interested in facts or evidence, they despise a society centered around traditional family and culture hence why they are hell bent on destroying it.  

True that... I know Trump is far from perfect, but I’d much rather see him as president than any one of those democrat, socialist, haters.

[tribalfusion001]

3 minutes ago, Heppinger said:

Amazing isn't it, I/m actually campaigning at the moment against soccer mums driving turbo diesal 4x4 in suburban streets.  They say its for travelling but she ain't a bushman.

Diesal or diesel, bushman are we in the outback, strewth!

[jcsmith]

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

Are they shot because they are Black ?

Is that the sole reason why they get shot ?

I'd say in most cases no, that it isn't that police are targeting people to kill. But subconconsciously I think it's hard to look at the numbers and think that race isn't coming into play. I mean just take the case of Kyle R. Who shot two people, then walked to police who didn't seem at all concerned despite the fact that he just shot two people and was brandishing a rifle. It certainly plays a role. I think in general white officers just feel more intimidated by blacks and are more jumpy in those situations. But what is outrageous is that these police officers after these incidents have more often than not walked away with no significant penalty. 

Non-violent drug offenses are another example. The vast majority of black drug offenses are weed related, where whites are more often heroin or speed related. When it comes to non-violent crimes though for similar amounts of possession black guys are far more likely to earn a jail sentence. And in general the sentences for black americans on the same crimes are longer than the sentences to white convicts. 

And of course in some cases there is still pretty outrageous racism. I'd encourage people to watch this segment from John Oliver this week. It starts at the 9:53 mark but if you are impatient skip to 10:33. Why is it important? Because the Kenosha Sheriff standing behind him's rant. It was obviously a racist rant. 
 

 

 

[DBath]

18 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Are they shot because they are Black ?

Is that the sole reason why they get shot ?

Mostly, only when they have it coming. 

[Heppinger]

35 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

It seems you may be the one with a problem if you can't distinguish between a democratically elected government and an unelected "junta."

Is Democracy when the Oligarchs controlling the money supply allow you to choose one of the two clowns they present to you?   

[DBath]

16 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Self defence with a AR-15 assualt rifle, the military version is the M16, I suppose soldiers are firing their rifles in self defence, but he ain't a soldier!

Doesn’t matter and you will see that when he gets acquitted. 

[Logosone]

13 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

More false arguments... More whites are killed because there are VASTLY more white people in the population than blacks.  When adjusted for their relatives presence in the population, blacks are far more likely to be killed by police than whites. Stop trotting out the same old false Trump arguments.

 

 

That's a false argument, since blacks with 13% of the population comitt 53% of homicides and 60% of robberies and thus have a lot more encounters with police they are not at all "far more likely to be killed by police". Completely untrue.

 

Stop trotting out the same old false marxist BLM lies.

[Heppinger]

3 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Diesal or diesel, bushman are we in the outback, strewth!

Doesn't really matter i guess.  

[BangkokReady]

4 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

From the video I've seen...that would appear to be the case. I assume using lethal force in self-defense when one believes their life is at risk is still the law, even in Democrat run cities and states.

Essentially, man defending property with a rifle, other man tries to take rifle from him, he shoots other man in self-defense, people pursue him trying to attack him with a skateboard and a gun (weapons that could kill), shoots them in self-defense.

 

There was some nutcase who was saying that he didn't have the right to defend himself if the people pursuing him were trying to capture him because they thought his first shot was not legally self-defense.  Also that the guy that pulled a gun on him apparently could have been trying to apprehend him and he didn't know that he would shoot him so also not self-defense.  But this is obviously stupid and wrong.

 

Obviously it's quite easy to understand why these violent criminals would like to remove the defense of self-defense, just as they would like to remove the police, but it just isn't going to fly.

 

The responsibility here falls on the local governments for not preventing this violence from occurring.  If the police were allowed to do their jobs, no one would have to defend themselves in such a way.

[jcsmith]

12 minutes ago, DBath said:

From what I saw while living in Chicago, blacks commit about 247% more crimes than whites, so...for that city your numbers make sense????????????

Riddle me this then. Let's take unarmed victims of fatal police shootings... This occurs 57% more often in blacks than whites. And the fatality rate of people shot by police is 280% higher for blacks than whites. 

[DBath]

16 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

More false arguments... More whites are killed because there are VASTLY more white people in the population than blacks.  When adjusted for their relatives presence in the population, blacks are far more likely to be killed by police than whites. Stop trotting out the same old false Trump arguments.

 

 

It’s funny that you are so willing to omit a key factor in that blacks commit far greater amount of crimes proportionately than do whites. 

[Logosone]

Just now, jcsmith said:

Riddle me this then. Let's take unarmed victims of fatal police shootings... This occurs 57% more often in blacks than whites. And the fatality rate of people shot by police is 280% higher for blacks than whites. 

No, you are posting lies.

 

 "the police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer."

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

[tribalfusion001]

4 minutes ago, DBath said:

Doesn’t matter and you will see that when he gets acquitted. 

He ain't getting off with a double murder and an attempted murder, stupid boy!