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Popular Post david555 Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 minute ago, 3NUMBAS said: The reason that the EU has failed to do a free-trade deal with the US, China, India, and now Britain is that in all cases it tries to use the negotiations to enhance its power and hegemony to a degree unacceptable to sovereign nations. from who we saw that before ?…. something with waves and rule in their mantra song ….???? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post polpott Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, izod10 said: Really,why spout when you have no clue. Nothing ,absolutely nothing to do with England, Boris has made it plain. Bog trotters want to battle it out..a pleasure They won't be battling it out. Boris doesn't get to choose if the IRA choose to bomb the mainland, which they will if it all kicks off. You really don't have a clue. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izod10 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, polpott said: They won't be battling it out. Boris doesn't get to choose if the IRA choose to bomb the mainland, which they will if it all kicks off. You really don't have a clue. Give one good reason why the IRA would want to get involved...clueless Boris if you follow it through,wants shut of Ireland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polpott Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, izod10 said: Give one good reason why the IRA would want to get involved...clueless Boris if you follow it through,wants shut of Ireland If the Good Friday agreement is breached, which it's almost certain to do if Boris instigates Cummings' new plan, it will kick off again. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Bruntoid Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 On 9/8/2020 at 7:21 AM, soalbundy said: Meanwhile back at the farm the British economy sank 20.4% and UK funds outflows were 1.2 billion pounds while non UK funds took 1.6 billion pounds inflows on non brexit deal, seems that economists aren't so gung ho as Boris. Your comparing intellects with a moron I wouldn’t trust with my laces I would say the Sun will have a backup plan but even they’re turning against the clown! meanwhile sterling continues to take a battering every time bojo opens his mouth - it’s almost like they know something ???? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post evadgib Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 Cabinet office update: Quote This is the Government’s legal position on the UK Internal Market Bill (“the Bill”) which was introduced on 9 September. HMG Legal Position: UKIM Bill and Northern Ireland Protocol 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 3NUMBAS Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 The EU is a dark,undemocratic,disgustingly bureaucratic institution that aims to become the government of a European super state. Britain must make a clean break which will exacerbate the EU's unpleasant political tendencies as the world looks on. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bruntoid Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 On 9/8/2020 at 10:28 AM, JonnyF said: We won't be following any of their protectionist rules as we wish to open ourselves up to trade with the rest of the world. A truly global outlook, no longer tied by the rules that the EU has created to prevent this from happening. So the US Congress categorically stating the U.K. can forget all about a trade deal should they breach international law as mooted fits with your ‘global outlook’ how ? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bruntoid Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said: The EU is a dark,undemocratic,disgustingly bureaucratic institution that aims to become the government of a European super state. Britain must make a clean break which will exacerbate the EU's unpleasant political tendencies as the world looks on. Is threatening to break the law by reneging on a deal you signed an ‘unpleasant political tendency’ ? but you’re right the world will indeed be looking on at a future untrustworthy trading partner 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bruntoid Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 On 9/8/2020 at 10:38 AM, crobe said: You mischaracterise by intent - in fact I have to say that most of your posts are fake news. While it is incumbent on both sides to act in good faith both have their negotiating positions, the EU wants to have a level playing field on state aid, jusrisdiction by ECJ in some areas and maintain current agreements on fishing rights - the UK has other positions - taking a negotiating position is not acting in bad faith. In contrast you have not pointed out any specific instance where the EU has gone against the withdrawal agreement - the fact that you do not like their positions is no proof that they have not abided by the terms of the agreement. In the withdrawal agreement - signed by Boris Johnson, the UK does agree to be bound by European rules on state aid during the transition period and up to 4 years after as stated in Article 93 "In respect of aid granted before the end of the transition period, for a period of 4 years after the end of the transition period, the European Commission shall be competent to initiate new administrative procedures on State aid governed by Regulation (EU) 2015/1589 concerning the United Kingdom." So contrary to your assertion, in this particular case, it is the UK, not the EU, which wants to back out of the agreement as written. Brexiteers - specifics ?? ???????????? Like nailing jelly to a wall - pure baseless sound bites and jingoistic/racist nonsense with zero basis in facts. Thousands of economists all wrong ? (Cue Osbourne statement) Love the constant references to WTO when the WTO have stated on numerous occasions their terms and conditions are vastly inferior to what the U.K. currently enjoys ! The WTO is a basketcase but one the Brexiteers are actively welcoming ???????? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bruntoid said: Is threatening to break the law by reneging on a deal you signed an ‘unpleasant political tendency’ ? but you’re right the world will indeed be looking on at a future untrustworthy trading partner Parliament’s ability to pass provisions that would take precedence over the Withdrawal Agreement was expressly confirmed in section 38 of the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020, with specific reference to the EU law concept of ‘direct effect’. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post david555 Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-eu-demands-uk-scraps-plans-to-override-parts-of-withdrawal-agreement-by-end-of-the-month-12068247 Breaking Greg Heffer Political reporter @GregHeffer Thursday 10 September 2020 16:06, UK Brexit: EU demands UK scraps plans to override parts of withdrawal agreement by end of the month The European Union has branded parts of draft UK legislation a "clear breach" of the Brexit withdrawal deal and demanded they be scrapped by the end of the month. The demand follows an extraordinary meeting on Thursday between EU vice-president Maros Sefcovic and Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove. It came after the UK government tabled legislation to alter key elements of the Withdrawal Agreement that Prime Minister Boris Johnson signed with Brussels earlier this year. On Thursday, Mr Sefcovic told Mr Gove that if the UK Internal Market Bill were to be passed "it would constitute an extremely serious violation of the Withdrawal Agreement and of international law". He added that by putting forward the bill, the UK had seriously damaged trust between the EU and the UK."It is now up to the UK government to re-establish that trust," the European Commission said in a statement after the meeting. Edited September 10, 2020 by david555 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CG1 Blue Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, polpott said: You obviously weren't around for the troubles last time around. The IRA most certainly will involve England, not England's choice. Remember the Birmingham pub bombing? Remember the Manchester Arndale bomb? How about the Brighton bomb which nearly wiped out the Tory party? Republicans bombed targets in England because we had British troops on the border, no? I think the previous poster was suggesting we let the Irish fight amongst each other without the involvement of British troops. But I guess that would only be possible if NI voted to reunify Ireland. Which can't be far off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crobe Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 I do love the twisted semantics of Boris and the Brexiteers The Withdrawal Agreement that they signed and voted for in the HoC was described as "oven-ready" and completely thought through... now it is an agreement done "at pace, with many ambiguities" Translation - At pace and with many ambiguities = we rushed it and did not understand what we were doing A government of muppets - totally out of their depth 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loiner Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 minute ago, crobe said: A government of muppets - totally out of their depth Soon to be a government of unshackled people - totally out of the EU. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CG1 Blue Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 50 minutes ago, Bruntoid said: So the US Congress categorically stating the U.K. can forget all about a trade deal should they breach international law as mooted fits with your ‘global outlook’ how ? Yep, the Democrats are at it again. This took me right back to the Obama "back of the queue" days. I hope this Nancy Pelosi warning simply strengthens the UK government's resolve, the same way Obama's warning strengthened the Brexit vote. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bruntoid Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Loiner said: Soon to be a government of unshackled people - totally out of the EU. In your opinion - anyone with the tiniest smudge of economic nouse would never have felt shackled. Give us a run down of the trade deals in the can please .... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bruntoid Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said: Yep, the Democrats are at it again. This took me right back to the Obama "back of the queue" days. I hope this Nancy Pelosi warning simply strengthens the UK government's resolve, the same way Obama's warning strengthened the Brexit vote. Bizarre - why would any government, even one as clueless and inept as this one, be resolved to not strike a deal with one of the worlds largest trading blocs (after the EU) ? What I did read a short time ago was if the EU take legal action against the UK, the December deadline will be extended until resolution, could drag on for years!! Good work Boris ???? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruntoid Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 3 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said: The reason that the EU has failed to do a free-trade deal with the US, China, India, and now Britain is that in all cases it tries to use the negotiations to enhance its power and hegemony to a degree unacceptable to sovereign nations. Fascinating - tell us how please. Specifics would be good just to show everyone it’s not a statement based on nothing at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Loiner Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 3 hours ago, polpott said: They won't be battling it out. Boris doesn't get to choose if the IRA choose to bomb the mainland, which they will if it all kicks off. You really don't have a clue. Why will the IRA kick off bombing the mainland if the EU causes a hard border, which Boris's bill wouldn't? All down to the EU. You had better give us one of your clues. . 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 46 minutes ago, Bruntoid said: In your opinion - anyone with the tiniest smudge of economic nouse would never have felt shackled. Give us a run down of the trade deals in the can please .... Yes, because it's a forum for opinions. The majority of the referendum voters felt it. Perhaps the economic mouses don't have much feeling. Go do your own trade deals homework. I can't keep up with them all, more coming in every week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CG1 Blue Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Bruntoid said: Bizarre - why would any government, even one as clueless and inept as this one, be resolved to not strike a deal with one of the worlds largest trading blocs (after the EU) ? The UK government would like to strike a deal, but not at the cost of being subservient to the EU in any way. The EU didn't tell Canada who can fish in their waters, or set restrictions on Canada's internal fiscal policy. And Canada hasn't spent countless billions helping to prop up the EU for the past few decades like the UK has. Why should Canada get a better deal than us? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nigel Garvie Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 3 hours ago, CG1 Blue said: Yep, the Democrats are at it again. This took me right back to the Obama "back of the queue" days. I hope this Nancy Pelosi warning simply strengthens the UK government's resolve, the same way Obama's warning strengthened the Brexit vote. You can't really compare one with the other. Obama was saying yes you could get a deal, but don't imagine that you would get any preferential treatment. Pelosi's position is quite different, and actually nothing to do with being pro or anti Brexit. She is saying that if we mess with the Friday agreement (Which the American's understandably care deeply about) then we have descended to the International scum level that very few countries would want to deal with, and the US certainly wouldn't for a start. Boris's protestations that the proposed changes are going to be good for Ireland, Scotland, and Wales, and will have no effect on the GFA are only believed by the terminally brain dead. I can't imagine that Boris, (A serial lier) Cummings, or Gove believe them themselves. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izod10 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 8 hours ago, polpott said: If the Good Friday agreement is breached, which it's almost certain to do if Boris instigates Cummings' new plan, it will kick off again. You have knowledge of this? duh The only things of (non) importance here is you yourself, talking yourself in circles,the irish knuckleheads thinking they are important enough to chain themselves forever to the UK,and the EU who are to inherit quite a large dump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 7 hours ago, CG1 Blue said: Yep, the Democrats are at it again. This took me right back to the Obama "back of the queue" days. I hope this Nancy Pelosi warning simply strengthens the UK government's resolve, the same way Obama's warning strengthened the Brexit vote. You do mean Cameron don't you? https://news.sky.com/story/cameron-personally-requested-obamas-back-of-the-queue-brexit-warning-11423669 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polpott Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 7 hours ago, CG1 Blue said: Republicans bombed targets in England because we had British troops on the border, no? I think the previous poster was suggesting we let the Irish fight amongst each other without the involvement of British troops. But I guess that would only be possible if NI voted to reunify Ireland. Which can't be far off. If Cummings proposals are implemented, it would necessitate custom checks on the NI-Eire border ie a hard border which would be attacked by the IRA and on and on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 39 minutes ago, polpott said: If Cummings proposals are implemented, it would necessitate custom checks on the NI-Eire border ie a hard border which would be attacked by the IRA and on and on. Not convinced the provisionals would actually restart their terror campaign. They will get what they want, a unified Ireland, far quicker and easier at the ballot box. There will always be a hard corp of unionists but they are not the majority. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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