Brexit back in crisis as UK threatens to undercut divorce pact

[superal]

13 hours ago, bannork said:

Hey 3 numbers, Boris loved the WA last year, he said it was a great deal and ordered all his MPs to support it.

So what is it? Was he too thick to realize the implications of a border in the Irish Sea between NI and the UK or was he lying all along when he said it was a great deal?

 

1. There is none so blind as those who cannot see .  The EU are still trying to impose their control over the UK and cannot come to terms that the UK have left their grotty gang and are refusing to recognise and respect the UK sovereignty .
2. Do not blink Boris

[david555]

(Some more collision  with E.U.probably in wait.... ...does he reallyl ike to strike a deal .... I doubt it )

 

https: //www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/12/boris-johnson-set-opt-human-rights-laws/

 

By Edward Malnick, 
Sunday Political Editor 
12 September 2020 • 9:30pm

Boris Johnson set to opt out of human rights laws 
Prime Minister to open second confrontation with EU in bid to ease migrant deportation cases 

 

Britain is preparing to opt out of major parts of European human rights laws, risking an explosive new row with the EU....

Edited September 13, 2020 by david555

[bannork]

4 hours ago, superal said:

1. There is none so blind as those who cannot see .  The EU are still trying to impose their control over the UK and cannot come to terms that the UK have left their grotty gang and are refusing to recognise and respect the UK sovereignty .
2. Do not blink Boris

Boris signed the WA deal, passed it in Parliament in 3 days, recommended it as a great deal, oven ready. He fought the election based on Brexit done via the WA 

Now he says there's a problem with it, the man who passed it, who said there was no need for serious scrutiny by Parliament.

I forget which British public figure said he wouldn't trust Boris to run a whelk stall but by God he was right 

[david555]

59 minutes ago, david555 said:

(Some more collision  with E.U.probably in wait.... ...does he reallyl ike to strike a deal .... I doubt it )

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/12/boris-johnson-set-opt-human-rights-laws/

 

By Edward Malnick, 
Sunday Political Editor 
12 September 2020 • 9:30pm

Boris Johnson set to opt out of human rights laws 
Prime Minister to open second confrontation with EU in bid to ease migrant deportation cases 

Britain is preparing to opt out of major parts of European human rights laws, risking an explosive new row with the EU.

Boris Johnson's aides and ministers are drawing up proposals to severely curb the use of human rights laws in areas in which judges have "overreached".
The plans under discussion include opt-outs from the Human Rights Act, which could prevent many migrants and asylum seekers from using the legislation to avoid deportation and protect British soldiers against claims relating to overseas operations. The Act allows British courts to apply the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR).

The move sets up a major new confrontation with the EU, which has been demanding that the UK commits to remaining signed up to the ECHR and keep the Human Rights Act in place as the price of future "law enforcement co-operation" between the bloc and Britain.
 

Fixed by this as   a part was behind behind the paywall.....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/12/boris-johnson-set-opt-human-rights-laws/

 

 

Edited September 13, 2020 by david555

[3NUMBAS]

Brexit outrage: Germany's previous efforts to break European agreement exposed

BREXIT trade talks have seen Boris Johnson come under fire from Europe for trying to override the withdrawal agreement - a move reminiscent of a German Chancellor's approach to Europe.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1334981/brexit-news-germany-break-european-agreement-boris-johnson-trade-talks-spt

[david555]

15 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

Brexit outrage: Germany's previous efforts to break European agreement exposed

BREXIT trade talks have seen Boris Johnson come under fire from Europe for trying to override the withdrawal agreement - a move reminiscent of a German Chancellor's approach to Europe.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1334981/brexit-news-germany-break-european-agreement-boris-johnson-trade-talks-spt

?  i see nothing that is relevant to present situation …(or i did not found nothing  in this tabloid version paper...?) except from many years ago as talking about H.Schmid ..)

Edited September 13, 2020 by david555

[forehandplus]

13 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

Brexit outrage: Germany's previous efforts to break European agreement exposed

BREXIT trade talks have seen Boris Johnson come under fire from Europe for trying to override the withdrawal agreement - a move reminiscent of a German Chancellor's approach to Europe.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1334981/brexit-news-germany-break-european-agreement-boris-johnson-trade-talks-spt

 

15 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

Brexit outrage: Germany's previous efforts to break European agreement exposed

BREXIT trade talks have seen Boris Johnson come under fire from Europe for trying to override the withdrawal agreement - a move reminiscent of a German Chancellor's approach to Europe.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1334981/brexit-news-germany-break-european-agreement-boris-johnson-trade-talks-spt

But but but Helmut Schmidt...

[3NUMBAS]

Its very simple.  The UK would like the same deal as the EU offered to Canada. They do not want to abide by any agreement which allows any form of control of government policy and certainly not to interfere in any part of the UK as does the WA as interpreted by the EU. On fishing we are likely to offer licenses exactly the same as Norway does and the EU are happy to bid for. No other sovereign country would accept EU demands of the type Britain is expected to accept. This pigheadedness is going to affect them dearly. Not only are they not getting anymore contributions but they seem intent on throwing a multi billion trade deal as well. Interestingly this will not affect the elite but it is going to cost massive job loses through out Europe. Add in the problems caused by the pandemic. It seems to me the elite have a death wish. But of course only their citizens will suffer. They never will.

[welovesundaysatspace]

7 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

Its very simple.  The UK would like the same deal as the EU offered to Canada.

I guess my น้องๆ at work would also like the same deal our company offered me. Very simple. But not gonna happen. 

 

 

[CorpusChristie]

Just now, welovesundaysatspace said:

I guess my น้องๆ at work would also like the same deal our company offered me. Very simple. But not gonna happen. 

 

 

Why should the UK not have a same deal as Canada ?

[welovesundaysatspace]

23 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Why should the UK not have a same deal as Canada ?

I’m afraid you are not entitled to it but have to accept our decision. 

[RayC]

21 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Why should the UK not have a same deal as Canada ?

Because the EU now believes it would be detrimental for EU business. Similar deal was on the table a couple of years ago. The UK should have agreed to it then.

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

Because the EU now believes it would be detrimental for EU business. Similar deal was on the table a couple of years ago. The UK should have agreed to it then.

The UK was unable to sign any deals until this year 

[CorpusChristie]

3 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I’m afraid you are not entitled to it but have to accept our decision. 

The UK doesnt HAVE to do anything  , our choice what we do 

[RayC]

36 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

 They do not want to abide by any agreement which allows any form of control of government policy and certainly not to interfere in any part of the UK as does the WA as interpreted by the EU.

Then the UK should not have signed a trade deal with Japan as it imposed strict conditions on state aid (Source:FT)

 

36 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

This pigheadedness is going to affect them dearly. Not only are they not getting anymore contributions but they seem intent on throwing a multi billion trade deal as well. Interestingly this will not affect the elite but it is going to cost massive job loses through out Europe. Add in the problems caused by the pandemic. It seems to me the elite have a death wish. But of course only their citizens will suffer. They never will.

Same old, same old. Both sides will suffer from no deal. Time will tell but, in the opinion of most economists the UK will suffer the greater 'hit'.

[RayC]

8 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

The UK was unable to sign any deals until this year 

Should have got the WA signed earlier then.

[welovesundaysatspace]

12 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

The UK doesnt HAVE to do anything  , our choice what we do 

No, you HAVE to accept our decision to not give you a Canada style trade deal. NOT your choice. OUR choice. ???? 

 

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by welovesundaysatspace

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

No, you HAVE to accept our decision to not give you a Canada style trade deal. NOT your choice. OUR choice. ???? 

 

 

You cannot force the UK to sign the deal .

We are free now, you can no longer force us to do things .

We are not under your control anymore , we have left 

[Mavideol]

33 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

You cannot force the UK to sign the deal .

We are free now, you can no longer force us to do things .

We are not under your control anymore , we have left 

you can not leave yet, It ain't over till (or until) the fat lady sings and UK pays the divorce bill, don't ask for terms as none will be given/allowed

Edited September 14, 2020 by Mavideol

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

you can only leave yet, It ain't over till (or until) the fat lady sings and UK pays the divorce bill, don't ask for terms as none will be given/allowed

Sorry, are you actually part of the E.U negotiating team ?

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Sorry, are you actually part of the E.U negotiating team ?

it's a matter of fact I am, but please don't tell anybody or they will start to ask for favors

[welovesundaysatspace]

11 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

You cannot force the UK to sign the deal .

We are free now, you can no longer force us to do things .

We are not under your control anymore , we have left 

Please read before you comment. Makes you look less confused. 

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Please read before you comment. Makes you look less confused. 

Are you saying that the UK HAS to sign the deal ?

If thats what you think, you are wrong because the UK will not be forced to sign any deal

[Mavideol]

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

Are you saying that the UK HAS to sign the deal ?

If thats what you think, you are wrong because the UK will not be forced to sign any deal

it's very sad, Tories can't be trusted

 

https://news.yahoo.com/international-law-political-construct-breaking-072330518.html

International law is a ‘political construct’ and breaking it is ‘routine’, Tory MP says

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

No, you HAVE to accept our decision to not give you a Canada style trade deal. NOT your choice. OUR choice. ???? 

 

 

This sums it all up from the EU: "... you HAVE to accept our decision...". Sorry Fritzy, but we don't have to accept anything. That's why we left. If the EU wants hard ball, we are happy to go No Deal from now on.
It's happening.

[BritManToo]

Shouldn't the UK be thinking of declaring war on the EU?

That would solve all the 'oppression' problems.

Especially as the Germans, French and Spanish always lose.

Edited September 14, 2020 by BritManToo

[BritManToo]

42 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

it's very sad, Tories can't be trusted

 ...... and you trust the Germans?

[bannork]

Great to see the Tories, the party of law and order, offering so many defences for criminals caught in the act.

Anarchy in the UK...

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Are you saying that the UK HAS to sign the deal ?

Like I said: Please read before you comment, then you don’t need to ask what I’m saying. I’m not gonna quote the whole conversation here again. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

This sums it all up from the EU: "... you HAVE to accept our decision...". Sorry Fritzy, but we don't have to accept anything.
 

Yes, you have to. 
 

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

That's why we left. If the EU wants hard ball, we are happy to go No Deal from now on.
It's happening.

Thereby you’d be accepting our decision.