UK PM Johnson appeals to party for support over controversial bill

[david555]

(So in the last line down you can see already that in 18 day of tomorrow it ends ……   )

 

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-boris-johnson-urges-tory-mps-to-back-bill-amid-stand-off-with-eu-12069442

Brexit: Boris Johnson urges Tory MPs to back bill amid stand-off with EU 
Boris Johnson insists there is still a good chance of getting a trade deal despite Brussels' anger over UK legislation.

By Andy Hayes, news reporter Saturday 12 September 2020 10:43, UK

 

 

Boris Johnson has urged Conservative MPs to support Brexit-related legislation which his government has admitted breaks international law.
Addressing about 250 MPs on Friday evening, the prime minister said the controversial UK Internal Market Bill was necessary in order to avoid "an economic barrier down the Irish Sea".

 

He added that certain clauses in it are "absolutely vital to protecting the integrity of our country".
The bill overrides parts of the EU divorce deal, and has sparked fury in Brussels, which has threatened legal action over what it considers a violation of an international treaty.

The controversy deepened while the call with MPs was going on, with European Parliament leaders saying they would "under no circumstances ratify" any trade deal reached if "UK authorities breach or threaten to breach" the Withdrawal Agreement.

Edited September 12, 2020 by david555

[CorpusChristie]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

Oh please. The problem with rewriting history is that you have to wait till everyone who was around at the time to die off.

We both know those were the arguments made by the eave campaign as to why the UK would "win" any trade negotiations. 

Anything you say otherwise is disingenuous at best. 

Who in the leave campaign stated that the "UK would dictate the terms of withdrawal" 

As you will not state WHO said that , I will just come to the conclusion that you made that up and no one actually claimed that .

[Loiner]

13 minutes ago, RayC said:

What it is called is completely irrelevant. It breaks international law, a fact acknowledged by Brandon Lewis.

Who cares what a lawyer acknowledges? They'll acknowledge anything they're paid to acknowledge. Lawyers are professional liars. I don't know why he's spit his dummy over this and don't really care. There will be another one along soon who says it's not breaking any law.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

Anyway enjoyable as this all is, I've got things to do. Robbing a bank actually. I'll be stealing the £50 notes but leaving the rest.  I accept that this breaks the law but it's only in "a specific and limited way" so, no doubt, all the  'Internal Bill' supporters, with their unique interpretation of the law, will be offering their help to me when I'm charged?

Indeed yes and those plucky Brexiteers will, with minimal charge, allow you to invest those 50 pounds notes in offshore accounts thus saving you any tax which might be accrued.

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Several years ago, a law was introduced making it a criminal offense for anyone to encourage, persuade, bribe, coerce etc,, an organization to break a legally binding contract with another party for no valid reason.

 

Johnson, despicably, now seems to be doing just that. He's encouraging the UK to break it's legally binding contract with the EU for no valid legal reason.

 

He should be forced to resign and prosecuted.

Vienna convention law of treaties

 

https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/1_1_1969.pdf

Noting that the principles of free consent and of good faith and the pacta sunt servanda rule are universally recognized, Affirming that disputes concerning treaties, like other international disputes, should be settled by peaceful means and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law,

 

http://www.oas.org/legal/english/docs/Vienna Convention Treaties.htm

 

 

Edited September 12, 2020 by Mavideol

[puipuitom]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

The people have not turned against Brexit, but are even more behind it than ever. It only takes a few foreign Johnnies to get above themselves and the UK people unite. We've had the advisory nonsense too many times already - forget it, you lost and Brexit is happening.

We will see, when EU veterinarian rules + agricultural levies make export of British meat into the EU close to impossible. WTO import duty for goods from UK into the EU are levied, when British have to line up for a Schengen visa, and international driving licence + car + health insurances, curious how many British are still in favour for Brexit, and support Boris the Liar.

[Loiner]

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

Anyway enjoyable as this all is, I've got things to do. Robbing a bank actually. I'll be stealing the £50 notes but leaving the rest.  I accept that this breaks the law but it's only in "a specific and limited way" so, no doubt, all the  'Internal Bill' supporters, with their unique interpretation of the law, will be offering their help to me when I'm charged?

Not from me. There's plenty of Euros and Remainers who will have strung you up before you have been tried or mitigation heard. They are very quick when the pitchforks are out.
Another Remainer less for the TVF topics.

[puipuitom]

2 hours ago, Nout said:

A parliamentary vote IS the law.

International agreements already ratified prevail above national laws.

Sorry, the times British ships of the line of canon boats prevail, is a 125 years ago.

"Rule Britannia" is only in an old song.

Edited September 12, 2020 by puipuitom

[Scott]

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[RuamRudy]

7 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Who cares what a lawyer acknowledges? They'll acknowledge anything they're paid to acknowledge. Lawyers are professional liars. I don't know why he's spit his dummy over this and don't really care. There will be another one along soon who says it's not breaking any law.

Lawyers lie but Johnson is a paragon of virtue, is that what you are saying?

[Mavideol]

8 hours ago, rooster59 said:

"He will also be setting out that as a responsible government we must provide a safety net which removes any ambiguity and ensures that the government can always deliver on its commitments to the people of Northern Ireland," the spokesman said.

it sure protects the people of NI and incites them to go back to the old days of "black" market and maybe restart fighting ignoring the good friday peace deal... BJ is not concerned about economics, if the economics were he's worries, the deal would have been completed long time ago, BJ Only concern is to please a small bunch of brexiters and show them he stays by his "misleading" campaign, nothing to do with economics, trade deal and so forth, the French got it right when they deeply dissected his actions/behavioral disorder

[pagan1]

16 minutes ago, RayC said:

Anyway enjoyable as this all is, I've got things to do. Robbing a bank actually. I'll be stealing the £50 notes but leaving the rest.  I accept that this breaks the law but it's only in "a specific and limited way" so, no doubt, all the  'Internal Bill' supporters, with their unique interpretation of the law, will be offering their help to me when I'm charged?

Now that plan would make you a trendsetter. As such the Judge would see you as Senior and obviously let you off

[evadgib]

 

Quote

It is now more than seven months since this country left the EU on Jan 31, and since then we have been working hard to build what I am sure will be a great new future relationship. We want a thoroughgoing free-trade deal....

Prime Minister's article in the Telegraph: 12 September 2020

[Mavideol]

8 hours ago, rooster59 said:

UK PM Johnson appeals to party for support over controversial bill

he's going to have a hard or very hard time convincing some as they don't want to be part of the suicidal "brake " the law decision... how can he ask somebody to jump from the 50th floor without questioning him

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Who cares what a lawyer acknowledges? They'll acknowledge anything they're paid to acknowledge. Lawyers are professional liars. I don't know why he's spit his dummy over this and don't really care. There will be another one along soon who says it's not breaking any law.

I hate to interrupt you mid-rant, but you do know that Brandon Lewis is a Tory minister? You know, part of Boris' gang. The bloke you so fervently support?

[Thingamabob]

Good to see the UK govt is at last developing some backbone. This is a good move. 

 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Not from me. There's plenty of Euros and Remainers who will have strung you up before you have been tried or mitigation heard. They are very quick when the pitchforks are out.
Another Remainer less for the TVF topics.

Drugs: Just say 'No'.

[herfiehandbag]

4 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

Johnson, despicably, now seems to be doing just that. He's encouraging the UK to break it's legally binding contract with the EU for no valid legal reason.

 

He should be forced to resign and prosecuted.

Where is Gina Miller when you want her?

 

Ah, wait a mo, last time she tried that didn't the courts rule that Parliament was sovereign?

[Thingamabob]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

he's going to have a hard or very hard time convincing some as they don't want to be part of the suicidal "brake " the law decision... how can he ask somebody to jump from the 50th floor without questioning him

Do you mean 'break' ?

[puipuitom]

2 hours ago, bannork said:

Nothing to do with being in or out. We signed a withdrawal agreement accepting the terms.

Boris trumpeted it, a great deal, he said.

This bill will also fuel nationalism in Scotland and Wales as it reduces the power of their assemblies.

 Little England coming soon 

Soon the wold will say: "as honest as a Brit", as their signature under in international agreement is not worth the ink used

[puipuitom]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Its all going wrong aint it?

The UK was supposed to leave the EU and stride like a behemoth. 

Dictating the terms of withdrawal and forging a new empire.  

yes, the sees around it. Rule Britannia...

[tebee]

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Who in the leave campaign stated that the "UK would dictate the terms of withdrawal" 

As you will not state WHO said that , I will just come to the conclusion that you made that up and no one actually claimed that .

The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want

 

Michael Gove
9 April 2016

[herfiehandbag]

24 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Soon the wold will say: "as honest as a Brit", as their signature under in international agreement is not worth the ink used

Oh I should imagine the world (a "wold" is something very different, an upland forest in rolling countryside - but then I acknowledge that English is not your first language, not withstanding your evident and often voiced enthusiasm for condemning our political process) is watching with some interest the EU's attempts to dictate matters to a sovereign nation which is no longer a member, Of course how they regard it will depend upon their own political stance. If they are upholders of democracy, parliamentary and national sovereignty they will probably quite understand and approve. If they are of the mind which yearns for an unelected Franco-German hegemony, dictating a sclerotic continental economic protection racket then they will no doubt think as you do!.

Edited September 12, 2020 by herfiehandbag

[evadgib]

Quote

Response to inaccurate reporting following the signing of the UK-Japan Agreement in Principle on 11 September 2020.

UK-Japan Agreement: Response to media outlets

[bannork]

18 minutes ago, evadgib said:

UK-Japan Agreement: Response to media outlets

UK- Japan agreement worth 0.07% of UK GDP.

UK -EU trade worth 12% of UK GDP 

EU-UK trade worth 2% of EU GDP 

nuff said.

 

[evadgib]

13 minutes ago, bannork said:

UK- Japan agreement worth 0.07% of UK GDP.

UK -EU trade worth 12% of UK GDP 

EU-UK trade worth 2% of EU GDP 

nuff said.

Have you notified Boris & the DoT?

Edited September 12, 2020 by evadgib

[Bruntoid]

So place your bets. Whose turn is it to make Bojo look an even bigger idiot this time ? House of Lords, the courts or his own party (again)

[bannork]

6 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Have you notified Boris & the DoT?

I tried but Boris wasn't at home, the lights were out as usual 

Boris sacked 21 Tory MPs who refused to vote for the WA.

So they were right after all! Surely they should be reinstated with Boris prostrating himself at their feet for his stupidity?

[3NUMBAS]

EU revenge plot: BBC's Katya Adler exposes Brussels' plan to wipe out UK industries

THE BBC's Katya Adler has outlined the EU's threat to wipe out Britain's agricultural, car and financial industries if Britain defies Brussels again.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1334350/EU-News-Brussels-BBC-Katya-Adler-Brexit-UK-industries-punishment-plan-latest-news

[3NUMBAS]

the uk can sell their euros stash and sink the euro anytime they choose if they get uppity