Grisly accident in Minburi kills one, injures two

[webfact]

Grisly accident in Minburi kills one, injures two

By THE NATION

 

 

A man was killed and his parents seriously injured when their car was crushed by an 18-wheel trailer truck on Wednesday (September 23) morning on Suwintawong Road in Bangkok’s Minburi district.

 

Minburi Police Station was alerted of the accident at 6.20am and showed up at the site, intersection in front of the Minburi Metropolitan Electricity Authority, to find that the trailer had damaged five other cars in addition to the Toyota Corona.

 

The driver of the Toyota Corona was found dead and stuck in the wreckage. He was later identified as Arnus Jiloh, 27.

 

The passengers in the car – his parents, Prasert and Amporn, both 52 – were found to be injured and rushed to Nopparat 9 Hospital.

 

 

The 41-year-old truck driver Phian Srijaroen was arrested over charges of negligent manslaughter.

 

Phian reportedly said he was driving from Saraburi to deliver construction materials to a customer in Soi Suwintawong 18.

 

“Before the accident I noticed that the air brake only had 6 per cent of pressure left, while the primary brake which uses oil has been out of order,” he said. “As I approached the intersection, I applied the brake but lost control of the truck and hit other cars before climbing onto the Toyota Corona.”

 

Police are interviewing witnesses and reviewing CCTV footage to determine the cause of accident.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30395009

 

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[johng]

9 minutes ago, webfact said:

“Before the accident I noticed that the air brake only had 6 per cent of pressure left, while the primary brake which uses oil has been out of order,”

Why the hell where you driving the bloody  truck if you knew you had no brakes !!!!!   what a total idiot.

 

R.I.P to the  man who died.

[trainman34014]

4 hours ago, johng said:

Why the hell where you driving the bloody  truck if you knew you had no brakes !!!!!   what a total idiot.

 

R.I.P to the  man who died.

If he didn't drive it he would have been out of a job and some other nerk would have been at the wheel. In Thailand they don't question the Boss !

[johng]

3 minutes ago, trainman34014 said:

If he didn't drive it he would have been out of a job and some other nerk would have been at the wheel. In Thailand they don't question the Boss !

Yes sadly that is quite often true,  no questing of those in "authority"  taught from birth.

[richard_smith237]

Maybe incorrectly so, I always believed that the Air-brakes on lorries relied on the air pressure to ‘release’ the brake. Thus, with 6% air-pressure the brakes would have remained engaged?

 

Anyone know more ?

 

 

 

 

[pixelaoffy]

What's new in this item ?  Just a loop 

 

[worgeordie]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

 

“Before the accident I noticed that the air brake only had 6 per cent of pressure left

I don't believe for one moment he just happened to look at the gauge,I just hope the

police get mechanics to check if the brakes were faulty,more likely he was not paying attention

and ran over the car, RIP . 

regards worgeordie

[RichardColeman]

Just waiting for the excuses from the company that employed him as to why they should not have to pay any compensation.

[moose7117]

10 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Maybe incorrectly so, I always believed that the Air-brakes on lorries relied on the air pressure to ‘release’ the brake. Thus, with 6% air-pressure the brakes would have remained engaged?

 

Anyone know more ?

 

 

 

 

Trucks and trailers are fitted with an emergency braking system, in Australia they are referred to as Maxi-brakes, that rely on sufficient air pressure to release them, if the air pressure drops, they engage and truck stops RAPIDLY.

i have never noticed if trucks are fitted but after a quick google search i found this pic.

In Pic you can see them circled in red, so as for Somchai's statement of low air pressure, i call shenanigans.

 

 

[teacherclaire]

Again and again. It's always something else, never the driver. 

[hotchilli]

18 hours ago, webfact said:

“Before the accident I noticed that the air brake only had 6 per cent of pressure left, while the primary brake which uses oil has been out of order,” he said. “As I approached the intersection, I applied the brake but lost control of the truck and hit other cars before climbing onto the Toyota Corona.”

A further testament to "safe trusted Thailand" !!

[worrab]

2 hours ago, moose7117 said:

Trucks and trailers are fitted with an emergency braking system, in Australia they are referred to as Maxi-brakes, that rely on sufficient air pressure to release them, if the air pressure drops, they engage and truck stops RAPIDLY.

i have never noticed if trucks are fitted but after a quick google search i found this pic.

In Pic you can see them circled in red, so as for Somchai's statement of low air pressure, i call shenanigans.

 

 

What you have circled there are actually the brake actuators. All trucks and trailers will have them fitted to make the brakes work.

If the air pressure has dropped to what he "said" then the brakes should have automatically been applied. But only if the brake adjusters had been tightened up to ensure the pads will go onto the drums. This I very much doubt has been done!!

I am also not too sure what he is on about with the oil being used on the primary brake. It should be air brakes all the way through so perhaps someone can enlighten me.

Spent many years on International Trucking from the UK and when pulling trailers for one company, always had to go under the trailer when coupled up to it to adjust up the brakes as their maintainance was not the best!!

[Almer]

1 hour ago, worrab said:

What you have circled there are actually the brake actuators. All trucks and trailers will have them fitted to make the brakes work.

If the air pressure has dropped to what he "said" then the brakes should have automatically been applied. But only if the brake adjusters had been tightened up to ensure the pads will go onto the drums. This I very much doubt has been done!!

I am also not too sure what he is on about with the oil being used on the primary brake. It should be air brakes all the way through so perhaps someone can enlighten me.

Spent many years on International Trucking from the UK and when pulling trailers for one company, always had to go under the trailer when coupled up to it to adjust up the brakes as their maintainance was not the best!!

Was this truck air over hydraulic (oil)? it is of coarse true that at a low air pressure would have  partially brought on the brakes, the issue here is two fold im sure.

1,  little maintenance

2,  clueless driver ( by his own admission)

 

come on Los get a police force or ministry of roads/transport that resembles those in the majority if the world.

[Grumpy one]

17 hours ago, trainman34014 said:

If he didn't drive it he would have been out of a job and some other nerk would have been at the wheel. In Thailand they don't question the Boss !

Now he is out of a job and facing a government paid holiday

As for the insurance I hope his boss has a decent bank balance

[Reigntax]

21 hours ago, johng said:

Why the hell where you driving the bloody  truck if you knew you had no brakes !!!!!   what a total idiot.

 

R.I.P to the  man who died.

He wasnt expecting to have to stop

[Grumpy one]

16 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Maybe incorrectly so, I always believed that the Air-brakes on lorries relied on the air pressure to ‘release’ the brake. Thus, with 6% air-pressure the brakes would have remained engaged?

 

Anyone know more ?

 

 

 

 

The air pressure operates the brakes, inside each brake chamber there is a spring loaded valve.

If the pressure drops the valve releases the spring which activates the brake shoes

In theory if the truck had serviceable brakes they would lock the truck up solid.

But if the linings are worn down too far they wont make contact with the brake drums

Hence one mighty stuff up

[richard_smith237]

So, in short. 

 

If brake failure is the cause as claimed - the owner of the vehicle (i.e the company) is at fault for not ensuring their vehicle is adequately maintained and should thus be up against charges. 

 

OR, the driver lied, in which case he should be the one up against charges. 

 

 

Either way - its unfortunate that this incident will result in very little accountability for those at fault and the message is further perpetuated throughout the industry that owners and drivers continue not to be held accountable for their deadly actions or lack of maintenance. 

 

 

[Justgrazing]

23 hours ago, webfact said:

 

“Before the accident I noticed that the air brake only had 6 per cent of pressure left, while the primary brake which uses oil has been out of order

More utter borrucks .. braking system has to maintain a lot higher pressure than that for the brakes to release .. it's the failsafe principle of air brakes .. 

More rubbish about the primary brake oil !! ( no idea what he's on there ) and if he knew it was defective why did he drive the thing particularly as it's a heavy loaded drawbar truck .. 

Edited September 24, 2020 by Justgrazing
Sp

[Justgrazing]

20 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Maybe incorrectly so, I always believed that the Air-brakes on lorries relied on the air pressure to ‘release’ the brake. Thus, with 6% air-pressure the brakes would have remained engaged?

 

Anyone know more ?

 

 

 

 

This is the basic principle of the air brake Richard .. 

Until the air pressure entering the chamber ( top left ) exceeds the spring pressure exerted on the other side of the diaphragm the brakes remain applied .. only when the air overcomes the spring will they release .. if you've ever heard trucks revving their nuts off first thing in the morning it is to build the air pressure up supplied by an engine driven compressor to the required pressure to release the brakes ( especially old smokers that have a lot of leaks in the system that can drain down to very little pressure overnight ) .. Application of the footbrake or valve as it's known on trucks reduces the air pressure to the chamber in a controlled , moderated way this then allows the spring to push back a thus applying the brake .. this is a simplified one chamber but there are versions that double up that incorporate the parking brake as well ..

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by Justgrazing
Sp

[worrab]

4 hours ago, Almer said:

Was this truck air over hydraulic (oil)? it is of coarse true that at a low air pressure would have  partially brought on the brakes, the issue here is two fold im sure.

1,  little maintenance

2,  clueless driver ( by his own admission)

 

come on Los get a police force or ministry of roads/transport that resembles those in the majority if the world.

Be surprised if it was air over hydraulic. Normally that would be on much lighter weight trucks or vans but TIT.

Low air pressure would have brought the brakes on fully if they were maintained properly! That is doubtful.

It would be interesting to know if their is a maintenance scheme, 555, and what the HGV test contains over here.

[Almer]

37 minutes ago, worrab said:

Be surprised if it was air over hydraulic. Normally that would be on much lighter weight trucks or vans but TIT.

Low air pressure would have brought the brakes on fully if they were maintained properly! That is doubtful.

It would be interesting to know if their is a maintenance scheme, 555, and what the HGV test contains over here.

HGV test? Many many pieces of paper no emission test and most important, the fee.

[Justgrazing]

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

So, in short. 

 

If brake failure is the cause as claimed - the owner of the vehicle (i.e the company) is at fault for not ensuring their vehicle is adequately maintained and should thus be up against charges. 

 

OR, the driver lied, in which case he should be the one up against charges

Precisely .. the term " brake failure " is merely a excuse for blaming an inanimate collection of components from performing a function .. 

The air system on trucks is proven over 60 yrs foolproof and will not let a truck move until the required pressure is attained .. 

The mechanism and components to apply brake force to the wheels are equally simple and tested over an even longer time and can fail to perform their function only if incorrectly adjusted at the adjuster ( red ) or the shoes are allowed to wear down to such a level that they can't maintain sufficient contact with the drum when applied ( green ) .. they can also disintegrate if left to wear that badly as the friction material that is attached to the shoe begins to break up or will rip away from the shoe itself leaving metal to metal contact between the remnants of it and the brake drum .. but none of this will happen if the truck is inspected and maintained as frequently as heavy trucks should be ( once a mth if it's doing big mileage ) and remedial action taken to put right any issues found ..

the only recent incident that comes to mind of this nature in Britain was the Bath truck crash about 5 yrs ago .. I can't find the link but if you zoogle it as such you will see the police and other agencies undertook an investigation that got to the heart of what happened and resulted in the truck operator and mechanic responsible for the truck's maintenance going to Prison for manslaughter .. 

So the next time we have an article about brake failure be assured it will most likely be a lack of maintenance issue that is at the nub of it .. 

 

 

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by Justgrazing
Sp

[AndyFoxy]

Another one down.....later....next

[moose7117]

8 hours ago, worrab said:

What you have circled there are actually the brake actuators. All trucks and trailers will have them fitted to make the brakes work.

If the air pressure has dropped to what he "said" then the brakes should have automatically been applied. But only if the brake adjusters had been tightened up to ensure the pads will go onto the drums. This I very much doubt has been done!!

I am also not too sure what he is on about with the oil being used on the primary brake. It should be air brakes all the way through so perhaps someone can enlighten me.

Spent many years on International Trucking from the UK and when pulling trailers for one company, always had to go under the trailer when coupled up to it to adjust up the brakes as their maintainance was not the best!!

thats basically what i was saying , i circled them to highlight the facts that they were fitted.

as said , no air pressure, no wheels go round an round.an in OZ we call them maxi brakes.

[RocketDog]

23 hours ago, trainman34014 said:

If he didn't drive it he would have been out of a job and some other nerk would have been at the wheel. In Thailand they don't question the Boss !

Yeah, but he wouldn't be the one waking up in cold sweats for the rest of his life. If his trucking company wouldn't listen to him he should have moved on. Sooner or later he will be a victim too. 

I'm sure you were just being blithe but we all have choices.