EU-bound trucks from UK could face two-day delays after Brexit, Britain says

[puipuitom]

14 minutes ago, Loiner said:

I guess your British business contacts are all Remainer drama queens. Well they had better get used to it. They are in a very small minority of British businesses that export to the EU. Sounds like it's going to be more of a disaster for your own business that it could be for our nation.

Your Garuniad Brits in Spain don't even come into this equation. What have their moans got to do with import/export?
Boris the EU Beater gets my highest approval. If your EU business will be affected you had better talk to Mark Rutte.

It seems you have problems in reading my text: thanks to Brexit my business goes better as ever as quite some EU industries and distributors ask me for alternatives to British origin.

Mark Rutte would like to keep the UK inside the EU, so just opposite... 

 

As usual Brexiteers do not know the hard data:

World Bank: GDP in the United Kingdom was worth 2827.11 billion US dollars in 2019 Or in GBP: a 2218 B Out of that 290B were exports to the EU. Just a 13 %.

Tell these 13 % of UK workers, they loose their jobs = have less money to spend at the groceries, the hair cutters, to maintain their car, pay their house rent of mortgages etc.. and a LOT British will be involved. And for the rest: their tax money goes for a bigger part to those "very small minority of British" for EU workers, who lost their jobs.

Read the Circular flow of income https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_flow_of_income , it's only a 260 years old.

Edited September 24, 2020 by puipuitom

[Loiner]

13 minutes ago, RayC said:

You're missing the point. The UK is not self-sufficient in food; we need to source much of it from overseas. Most of our trade will be on your favoured WTO terms - given that we haven't got many trade deals - and I suspect that because we are talking about perishables, most of it will still come from Europe so good luck finding cheaper alternatives. It won't just be me paying more for my food. 

The point is that if you want anything imported from the EU, you will have to pay more for it unless the EU agrees a deal.

[puipuitom]

36 minutes ago, Loiner said:

I want the choice, not to be dictated to by the EU. My flour purchase, my decision.

You can keep your baguette in your boulangerie and I'll have Mother's Pride thanks.

Maybe you can add some fresh products from Japan ? Fukishima area for instance...

[RayC]

Just now, Loiner said:

The point is that if you want anything imported from the EU, you will have to pay more for it unless the EU agrees a deal.

The point is, which you seem unable or unwilling to grasp, is that we will all be paying more.

[Loiner]

10 minutes ago, RayC said:

Typical response: a load of old pony. When challenged, your posts are shown to be full of nothing more than empty, meaningless rhetoric. Pot and kettle when it comes to 'gobbing off'.

It's all there in the .gov website. Go look why don't you? You can even bring back links if you want.

[evadgib]

35 minutes ago, polpott said:

When we joined the Common Market (I'm old enough to remember voting in that referendum) food from our European neighbours became much cheaper. There has never been a change to the pricing of New Zealand lamb or Argentinian beef. Plus, its much fresher, not having to travel anywhere near as far.

It was also Horsemeat not so long ago.

[Loiner]

2 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Maybe you can add some fresh products from Japan ? Fukishima area for instance...

If you want to, then you can. Hey, it will not be subject to EU tariffs either. Have a check in the latest UK - Japan agreement too.

[evadgib]

15 minutes ago, RayC said:

Typical response: a load of old pony. When challenged, your posts are shown to be full of nothing more than empty, meaningless rhetoric. Pot and kettle when it comes to 'gobbing off'.

I just covered that in #126 ????

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

The point is, which you seem unable or unwilling to grasp, is that we will all be paying more.

I keep telling you that. Did you miss it? If you want imported EU products you will have to pay more for them. Fully grasped for you?

[jvs]

5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

80% of the food I eat imported? Not true at all, and you don't even know a bean about my dietary habits.
Yes, sure I would support Trump if I were American.

Any argument you do not like gets beaten down? Well that part would be very Remainer, Europhile, Left winger or US Democrat. So not me, and I certainly I don't ignore you anti-Brexit nonsense.

You are so full of yourself you do not listen,ok 80% of the food other people(not you)in the UK eat is imported.

That is a fact.

And again you got it wrong,i am not against Brexit at all!!!I wish more countries would leave the EU.

You call my arguments nonsense,why?

I believe the EU in its present form is not sustainable much longer,especially the Euro.

I hope for you you will learn to accept rational thinking and try some of your own.

Have a wonderful evening.

[RayC]

4 minutes ago, Loiner said:

It's all there in the .gov website. Go look why don't you? You can even bring back links if you want.

Well I take it all back.

 

I did a search for (UK) .gov websites, and there must be 10,000+ sites. That's a lot of plans. I don't really have time to go through them all, so any chance that you could point me in the direction of, say, 'UK industrial strategy and plans post transition'?

 

Alternatively, a link to the 'Daily Express' article about these plans - surely there must be one? - would be helpful. Thanks.

[Loiner]

1 minute ago, jvs said:

You are so full of yourself you do not listen,ok 80% of the food other people(not you)in the UK eat is imported.

That is a fact.

And again you got it wrong,i am not against Brexit at all!!!I wish more countries would leave the EU.

You call my arguments nonsense,why?

I believe the EU in its present form is not sustainable much longer,especially the Euro.

I hope for you you will learn to accept rational thinking and try some of your own.

Have a wonderful evening.

You are so full of nonsense. The UK does not import 80% of the food it eats. 
That makes your arguments nonsense. It would be irrational to seriously consider anything else you quote while your basic premise is so wrong.
Everything is wonderful for me thanks.
 

[RayC]

7 minutes ago, evadgib said:

I just covered that in #126 ????

???? Thanks but I'm afraid it doesn't satisfy me. It must be pony!

[puipuitom]

12 minutes ago, evadgib said:

It was also Horsemeat not so long ago.

yes, coming in from the UK and Ireland

[puipuitom]

10 minutes ago, jvs said:

You are so full of yourself you do not listen,ok 80% of the food other people(not you)in the UK eat is imported.

That is a fact.

And again you got it wrong,i am not against Brexit at all!!!I wish more countries would leave the EU.

You call my arguments nonsense,why?

I believe the EU in its present form is not sustainable much longer,especially the Euro.

I hope for you you will learn to accept rational thinking and try some of your own.

Have a wonderful evening.

No further comment. British survey 25 June 2020.

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[Loiner]

20 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

It seems you have problems in reading my text: thanks to Brexit my business goes better as ever as quite some EU industries and distributors ask me for alternatives to British origin.

Mark Rutte would like to keep the UK inside the EU, so just opposite... 

 

As usual Brexiteers do not know the hard data:

World Bank: GDP in the United Kingdom was worth 2827.11 billion US dollars in 2019 Or in GBP: a 2218 B Out of that 290B were exports to the EU. Just a 13 %.

Tell these 13 % of UK workers, they loose their jobs = have less money to spend at the groceries, the hair cutters, to maintain their car, pay their house rent of mortgages etc.. and a LOT British will be involved. And for the rest: their tax money goes for a bigger part to those "very small minority of British" for EU workers, who lost their jobs.

Read the Circular flow of income https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_flow_of_income , it's only a 260 years old.

No problem reading it. That it's rubbish and wrong is where the problem is.

[tebee]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

The "third countries" list belongs to the EU. If they wish to delay and disrupt supplies to their industries they can. So it's imperative for European business to sort them out when the political posturing of Macron and Barnier has been seen to totally fail. I suspect German business has been working on Merkel for some time and the realisation has now set in, so they will probably find a way around it soon. Maybe you should do your part for the Netherlands? 

The main point is that the UK will not back down from this because we have already left the EU. EU threats about third county listing has already caused issues with our internal borders, but our Internal Markets Bill resolves that. What will European business for their own supplies?

Third country in EU speak simply means a country that is not a member of the EU - we have left, so we are already a third country ! The slight of hand that is transition means that we've not been affected by it yet. Even countries like Norway and Switzerland  are third countries, but they have comprehensive agreements with the EU that mitigate the effects.

 

But these come at a price - normally accepting EU legislation without question  and Freedom of movement.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

You can if you want to, but don't expect the UK to do so. Or are you so horrified by the possibility of some US chicken?

The issue with the US chicken is quite simple, the U.K. will follow what the US determines are acceptable food standards. 

 

Just like the U.K. will not enact an online transaction tax because the US doesn’t want the U.K. to enact an online transaction tax.

 

Do as you are told by Uncle Sam and all will be well..... for Uncle Sam.

 

Don’t be surprised, India got in first with its instructions to the U.K. to provide more visas for Indian nationals.

 

I’s say ‘get used to it’ though I’m not sure you’ll enjoy kowtowing to the Chinese when they start giving the U.K. orders.

 

Small nation with no friends - enjoy.

Edited September 24, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[puipuitom]

28 minutes ago, Loiner said:

80% of the food I eat imported? Not true at all, and you don't even know a bean about my dietary habits.
Yes, sure I would support Trump if I were American.

Any argument you do not like gets beaten down? Well that part would be very Remainer, Europhile, Left winger or US Democrat. So not me, and I certainly I don't ignore you anti-Brexit nonsense.

Why you are unwilling simply to READ:

 

https://www.glotechrepairs.co.uk/news/the-uks-top-food-imports-and-where-they-come-from/

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/aug/13/how-a-no-deal-brexit-threatens-your-weekly-food-shop

https://www.businessinsider.nl/no-deal-brexit-percentage-british-food-imported-shortages-2019-1?international=true&r=US

https://www.ft.com/content/83eb97a6-b00a-11e6-9c37-5787335499a0

Despite the rise in exports, the trade deficit in food and non-alcoholic drinks increased by 6.7 per cent to a £23.3bn deficit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/23/uk-food-imports-from-eu-face-9bn-tariff-bill-under-no-deal-brexit

UK food imports from EU face '£9bn tariff bill' under no-deal Brexit

Money the UK consumer has to pay.

 

3.1 Origins of food consumed in the UK 2019

Change between chart and table https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-global-and-uk-supply

Region	Percentage supplied to the UK
UKa	55%
EU	26%
Africa	4%
North America	4%
South America	4%
Asia	4%
Rest of Europe	2%
Australasia	1%

[polpott]

24 minutes ago, evadgib said:

It was also Horsemeat not so long ago.

I ave eaten horsemeat at a well known restaurant in Paris. Absolutely delicious. Don't knock it until you've tried it. You know what they say "Where we go 1 we go all". 555

[candide]

11 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You are so full of nonsense. The UK does not import 80% of the food it eats. 
That makes your arguments nonsense. It would be irrational to seriously consider anything else you quote while your basic premise is so wrong.
Everything is wonderful for me thanks.
 

It depends how it is counted. For example a can of carrot soup made in UK can be counted as British food.  However, the carrots may well have been imported. Depending on how it is counted, the share can vary between 50% and 80%.

 

[puipuitom]

31 minutes ago, Loiner said:

If you want to, then you can. Hey, it will not be subject to EU tariffs either. Have a check in the latest UK - Japan agreement too.

Again... A Trump/Boris the Liar fact: NOT true, see EU import tariffs

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/taric_consultation.jsp?Lang=en

Edited September 24, 2020 by puipuitom

[CG1 Blue]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The issue with the US chicken is quite simple, the U.K. will follow what the US determines are acceptable food standards. 

And if I go into a UK supermarket in 2021 and see US chicken, I can choose to buy it or not buy it. So what's the problem? 

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

And if I go into a UK supermarket in 2021 and see US chicken, I can choose to buy it or not buy it. So what's the problem? 

You won't get a choice.

[CG1 Blue]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

You won't get a choice.

Really? How do you work that out? 

[jvs]

4 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

And if I go into a UK supermarket in 2021 and see US chicken, I can choose to buy it or not buy it. So what's the problem? 

The problem would be that most people will look at the price,whatever is cheapest people will buy.

Most people are on a budget and do not read labels.

How many people would know there is chlorine in their chicken?

Maybe have a look at what the USA finds acceptable as far as pesticides and herbicides go.

All coming to a store near you!Enjoy.

[polpott]

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

Really? How do you work that out? 

Because the US will flood the UK market with cheap chlorinated chicken putting any competitors out of business.

[puipuitom]

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

Really? How do you work that out? 

Boris gets the order from Trump to buy so-and-so-many chlorine chickens as part of the FTA deal.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, polpott said:

You won't get a choice.

You certainly won’t be informed if the US food you are buying has been genetically modified.

 

For some reason, Freedom of choice is a thing, but an informed choice is a problem (for the US) when the information relates to Genetically Moddified foods.

 

[polpott]

6 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Boris gets the order from Trump to buy so-and-so-many chlorine chickens as part of the FTA deal.

Also the US has been trying to import GM wheat into Europe for years. The EU has always resisted. A trade deal with the UK will certainly include GM wheat. Another reason to have strict border controls with the Republic. The EU don't want GM crops getting into the EU through the back door.

 

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by polpott