Relegation Gloating Et Al

[chonabot]

Ok lads , I know a few of you are getting excited at the prospect of your least favourite clubs being relegated, but please can we keep the personal insults to a minimum?

I'm all for the banter and such , but at the end of the day I will kick yer <deleted> for a personal attack.

Cheers!

[scousemouse]

Ok lads , I know a few of you are getting excited at the prospect of your least favourite clubs being relegated, but please can we keep the personal insults to a minimum?

I'm all for the banter and such , but at the end of the day I will kick yer <deleted> for a personal attack.

Cheers!

no personal insults coming from this end, how can you insult someone if you've never met and if you have then it should be taken in jest

[chonabot]

Ok lads , I know a few of you are getting excited at the prospect of your least favourite clubs being relegated, but please can we keep the personal insults to a minimum?

I'm all for the banter and such , but at the end of the day I will kick yer <deleted> for a personal attack.

Cheers!

how can you insult someone if you've never met

Hmmm......think about it....

[taxexile]

expression of sympathy , however , is most welcome .

[warriors]

leeds leeds leeds

[Sunderland]

leeds leeds leeds

Sorry for your demise ...

Is that sympathetic enough??

[bendix]

With all due respect, Sunderland, you spend more time here posting about Leeds than you do about Sunderland.

That says everything I need to know about how great a club Leeds was, is, and will always be.

[chonabot]

leeds leeds leeds

Sorry for your demise ...

Is that sympathetic enough??

As mentioned previously, this kind of gloating is fine, it's the personal attacks that won't be tolerated.

However it always makes me wonder, the type of chap who incessantly goes on to gloat on other teams threads - no names here - would they have the balls to do this in person?

I think not.

[MiG16]

However it always makes me wonder, the type of chap who incessantly goes on to gloat on other teams threads - no names here - would they have the balls to do this in person?

I think not.

ermm actually I would dont need the ermm nevermind though

but luckily for me I dont live in England

[markr]

I love the banter with mig, I dont ever have anything to gloat about cos we never win anything!

I hope its all taken as light heartedly as its meant

Mark

[Bagwan]

Are Leeds still paying the price for the odium created by Revie?

[chonabot]

Ok people , I have decided that if you want to have a pop at your least favourite teams you can now do so using a new thread thread

Those of you that continue to slag off other teams on their dedicated thread will be treated in a vulgar fashion..

You are still welcome to add sensible critique but try to be intelligient in your chocie of words.

Chon

[taxexile]

Are Leeds still paying the price for the odium created by Revie?

revie put together one of the finest british teams ever , on a par with fergusons best and wengers best.

they played to win , and succeeded.

they were feared and they inspired jealousy , and from the jealousy came the hatred , a common enough emotion among neanderthal football fans everywhere.

leeds are paying the price for ridsdales ego and the stupidity of some of the players (bowyer and woodgate ) and the greed and lack of team spirit of some of the others (viduka , kewell , fowler).

poor choices of managers since o'leary ( e.g. venables and graham , no commitment. ) didnt help either

leeds will recover , but it will take time and some astute management.

i predict 2 years to get out of the 3rd division , and 3 years to get out of the championship.

i'm not sure if wise is the man for the job though.

[muckypups]

I'm certainly no Leeds fan but I do remember the 1970's team, in my opinion they were a really great side.

Leeds United

Revie was made player-manager in March 1961 at Leeds. Although his tenure didn't get off to a flying start, he won the Football League Second Division within 3 years as manager and once promoted took them to second in the league and the FA Cup final in their first season in the top division. He developed the team that would by the early 1970s be the major force in English football. He was named English Manager of the Year in 1969, 1970, and 1972, and was awarded the OBE in 1970. All in all Don guided Leeds to Two Football League First Division titles , One FA Cup, One League Cup, Two Inter-Cities Fairs Cup titles, One Football League Second Division title and One Charity Shield. He also guided them to Three more FA Cup Finals, Two more FA Cup Semi-Finals, One more Inter-Cities Fairs Cup Final and one Inter-Cities Fairs Cup Semi-Final, One Cup Winners' Cup Final and one European Cup Semi-Final. The team also finished second in the Football League First Division five times, third once and fourth twice.

That Leeds are in such a mess now could never be blamed on Revie and the excellent team he built....

[Sunderland]

I'm certainly no Leeds fan but I do remember the 1970's team, in my opinion they were a really great side.

Leeds United

Revie was made player-manager in March 1961 at Leeds. Although his tenure didn't get off to a flying start, he won the Football League Second Division within 3 years as manager and once promoted took them to second in the league and the FA Cup final in their first season in the top division. He developed the team that would by the early 1970s be the major force in English football. He was named English Manager of the Year in 1969, 1970, and 1972, and was awarded the OBE in 1970. All in all Don guided Leeds to Two Football League First Division titles , One FA Cup, One League Cup, Two Inter-Cities Fairs Cup titles, One Football League Second Division title and One Charity Shield. He also guided them to Three more FA Cup Finals, Two more FA Cup Semi-Finals, One more Inter-Cities Fairs Cup Final and one Inter-Cities Fairs Cup Semi-Final, One Cup Winners' Cup Final and one European Cup Semi-Final. The team also finished second in the Football League First Division five times, third once and fourth twice.

That Leeds are in such a mess now could never be blamed on Revie and the excellent team he built....

Is that the mighty Leeds team that were beaten by second-division Sunderland in 1973????

Joking aside, that was an awesome team that Sunderland ... oops ... Leeds had.

That Leeds team of the early 70's would probably have been a good match for the likes of Chelsea and Manchester United today and also the Liverpool team of the late 70's and early 80's.

[Bagwan]

Norman 'Bite yer legs' Hunter. Billy Bremner. Both considered by many to be thugs. Reaney was no angel, and Jordan put it about a bit. Then there was Gary 'butterfingers' Sprake. Not my cup of tea, thank you.

I met Don Revie at the Los Naranjos Club a few weeks before he died. He was in a story state, bent over and shuffling around. I almost forgot he walked out on England to collect Arab gold.

[bendix]

Norman 'Bite yer legs' Hunter. Billy Bremner. Both considered by many to be thugs. Reaney was no angel, and Jordan put it about a bit. Then there was Gary 'butterfingers' Sprake. Not my cup of tea, thank you.

I met Don Revie at the Los Naranjos Club a few weeks before he died. He was in a story state, bent over and shuffling around. I almost forgot he walked out on England to collect Arab gold.

That Leeds side might have had a bit of muscle, but they also had incredible talent and camraderie and - frankly - their disciplinary record was pretty much the same as any other team of the time. Football was different then (and better). Back then you could actually breathe on a player, and he didnt fall over writhing in pain, looking for a booking.

Gary Sprake was actually a decent keeper, but prone to the odd howler that (unfortunately for him) was always broadcast. In that regard, he's similar to Calamity James. But Sprake is persona non-grata at Elland Road these days because he accused Revie of attempted match-fixing; none of the surviving players from that era speak to him. Many of the others remain part of the Leeds establishment. Reaney and Clarke are part of the corporate entertainment, Lorimer runs a pub near ER and is a director, Johnny Giles and Hunter are regularly seen at ER. Madeley is a self-made millionaire but is pretty sick these days. Eddie Gray is still around. Bremner, of course, is dead. Even David Harvey - who lives in relative isolation and works as a postman in the Shetland Isles - occasionally comes back.

Revie quit the England job to collect 250,000 pounds a year in the Gulf. He was widely attacked at the time but let's get serious - that was massive money. When Clough took over from Revie at Leeds at around the same time he was earning a tenth of that. As Johnny Giles said when asked his thoughts about Revie being tempted by Arab Gold - "Of course, he's not an idiot. He has a family. Wouldnt you do the same?'

[Sunderland]

Norman 'Bite yer legs' Hunter. Billy Bremner. Both considered by many to be thugs. Reaney was no angel, and Jordan put it about a bit. Then there was Gary 'butterfingers' Sprake. Not my cup of tea, thank you.

I met Don Revie at the Los Naranjos Club a few weeks before he died. He was in a story state, bent over and shuffling around. I almost forgot he walked out on England to collect Arab gold.

That Leeds side might have had a bit of muscle, but they also had incredible talent and camraderie and - frankly - their disciplinary record was pretty much the same as any other team of the time. Football was different then (and better). Back then you could actually breathe on a player, and he didnt fall over writhing in pain, looking for a booking.

Gary Sprake was actually a decent keeper, but prone to the odd howler that (unfortunately for him) was always broadcast. In that regard, he's similar to Calamity James. But Sprake is persona non-grata at Elland Road these days because he accused Revie of attempted match-fixing; none of the surviving players from that era speak to him. Many of the others remain part of the Leeds establishment. Reaney and Clarke are part of the corporate entertainment, Lorimer runs a pub near ER and is a director, Johnny Giles and Hunter are regularly seen at ER. Madeley is a self-made millionaire but is pretty sick these days. Eddie Gray is still around. Bremner, of course, is dead. Even David Harvey - who lives in relative isolation and works as a postman in the Shetland Isles - occasionally comes back.

Revie quit the England job to collect 250,000 pounds a year in the Gulf. He was widely attacked at the time but let's get serious - that was massive money. When Clough took over from Revie at Leeds at around the same time he was earning a tenth of that. As Johnny Giles said when asked his thoughts about Revie being tempted by Arab Gold - "Of course, he's not an idiot. He has a family. Wouldnt you do the same?'

Well Don Revie's great team of 'the past' has about as much chance of winning promotion next season as Sunderland's "Team of All Talents", the team that won the league three times and were runners-up a further three times between 1892 and 1902, has of winning next season's Premier League ... moving on ...

[taxexile]

I met Don Revie at the Los Naranjos Club a few weeks before he died. He was in a story state, bent over and shuffling around.

don revie died from motor neurone disease in 1989 , for the last 2 years of his life he was , i believe , in a wheelchair.

I almost forgot he walked out on England to collect Arab gold.

bob stokoe , the sxxderland manager at the time , said revie should be castrated for walking out on the england job. stokoe died from dementia and pneumonia in 2004.

these days , players and managers walk out on contracts all the time , make millions of pounds out of it , and are glorified in the press for furthering their careers and ambitions.

revie was merely a man ahead of his time......in so many ways.

[muckypups]

As were his team..

[Sunderland]

I met Don Revie at the Los Naranjos Club a few weeks before he died. He was in a story state, bent over and shuffling around.

don revie died from motor neurone disease in 1989 , for the last 2 years of his life he was , i believe , in a wheelchair.

I almost forgot he walked out on England to collect Arab gold.

bob stokoe , the sxxderland manager at the time , said revie should be castrated for walking out on the england job. stokoe died from dementia and pneumonia in 2004.

these days , players and managers walk out on contracts all the time , make millions of pounds out of it , and are glorified in the press for furthering their careers and ambitions.

revie was merely a man ahead of his time......in so many ways.

Revie was a great manager at Leeds; no doubt about that. Did nothing as England manager. Probably can't blame him for walking and taking the cash before being pushed out the door.

Stokoe was and still is a Sunderland hero because of the Sunderland '73 Cup win over Leeds. A very decent gentleman and I'm sure when he said what he did about Revie it was half tongue in cheek and half envy that (a) he was never offered the England job and ( never enjoyed the phenomenal success that Revie had at Leeds.

By complete contrast Leeds United's most unsuccessful manager ever was one of the game's most colourful, outspoken and yet highly successful managers elsewhere. 'Sir' Brian Clough was a huge hero of mine as a youngster. Although I'm disappointed that I never had the chance to watch him score 265 goals in 296 starts for his home club Middlesbrough and nearby Sunderland before injury cut short his career at the age of 27; I was completely taken in by his Nottingham Forest sides of the late 70's and early 80's.

On the face of things it was quite an achievement to win the league title with 2 mediocre East Midlands sides - Derby and Forest. Even more remarkable to have won 2 successive European Cups with Forest and so nearly another one with Derby in the early 70's. When you consider some of the very average players he played - many of whom were uncapped - he was undoubtedly one of the most influential team managers of all time.

Some of Clough's famous quotes:

As far as I'm concerned you can throw all those medals you've won in the bin, because you won them all by cheating" - to the Leeds United players on his first day as manager.

"This is a terrible day.....for Leeds United" - exiting Elland Road after being sacked after 44 days as manager.

"If a chairman sacks a manager that he initially appointed, then he should go as well."

"If God had intended for us to play football in the clouds he wouldn't have put grass on the ground." - referring to the long ball game.

"If a player had said to Bill Shankly 'I've got to speak to my agent', Bill would have hit him. And I would have held him while he hit him."

"For all his horses, knighthoods and championships, he hasn't got two of what I've got. And I don't mean balls." - on Sir Alex Ferguson's failure to match his record of two European Cup wins.

"Who thought Derby County could be turned into League champions; that any manager could bounce back from getting the bullet after 44 days with a great club and go on to prove himself among the best managers of all time; that what was done at Derby could be repeated at Forest; that after winning one European Cup, we could retain it; that a brash, self-opinionated young footballer, cut down by injury in his prime, would go on to achieve more impressive fame as a brash, highly successful manager?"

"I wouldn't say I was the best manager in the business. But I was in the top one" - On his own success.

"I only ever hit Roy the once. He got up so I couldn't have hit him very hard" - On dealing with Roy Keane.

"We talk about it for 20 minutes and then we decide I was right" - On dealing with players who disagree with him.

"Players lose you games, not tactics. There's so much crap talked about tactics by people who barely know how to win at dominoes" - On England's exit from Euro 2000.

"Manchester United in Brazil? I hope they all get bloody diarrhoea" - On Manchester United's decision to opt out of the FA Cup to play in the World Club Championship in 2000.

"He should guide Posh in the direction of a singing coach because she's nowhere near as good at her job as her husband" - Advice for David Beckham.

"I thought it was my next-door neighbour because I think she felt that if I got something like that I would have to move" - Guessing who nominated him for a knighthood.

"Who the hel_l wants 14 pairs of shoes when you go on holiday? I haven't had 14 pairs in my life" - On the contents of Victoria Beckham's missing luggage.

"Anybody who can do anything in Leicester but make a jumper has got to be a genius" - His tribute to Martin O'Neill, who used to manage Leicester City.

"That Seaman is a handsome young man but he spends too much time looking in his mirror rather than at the ball. You can't keep goal with hair like that" - On the pony-tailed former England goalkeeper David Seaman.

"I can't even spell spaghetti never mind talk Italian. How could I tell an Italian to get the ball? He might grab mine" - On the influx of foreign players.

"I like my women to be feminine, not sliding into tackles and covered in mud" - On women and football.

Apparently old Big 'Ead Clough was also quoted as having said that he would crawl over glass to become manager of Sunderland ... but I think he may well have been pissed at the time ...

SIR BRIAN - ABSOLUTE LEGEND