COVID-19 vaccine roll-out expected in less than 3 months in UK - The Times

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COVID-19 vaccine roll-out expected in less than 3 months in UK - The Times

 

FILE PHOTO: A woman holds a small bottle labeled with a "Vaccine COVID-19" sticker and a medical syringe in this illustration taken April 10, 2020. REUTERS/Dado Ruvic/Illustration/File Photo

 

(Reuters) - A mass roll-out of a COVID-19 vaccine in Britain could be finished in as little as three months, the Times reported, citing government scientists.

 

Scientists working on the Oxford vaccine hope regulators approve it before the beginning of 2021, the newspaper said.

 

A full COVID-19 immunization programme, which would exclude children, could be quicker than experts predicted, the Times said, adding that health officials estimate that every adult could receive a dose of the vaccine within six months.

 

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) said on Thursday it has started reviewing data on AstraZeneca and Oxford University's potential COVID-19 vaccine, in real time, the first of such moves aimed at speeding up any approval process in the region for a vaccine.

 

The news of the European review also raises chances of the British vaccine, which is seen as leading the race for a successful vaccine against COVID-19, becoming the first to be approved in Europe for the disease caused by the novel coronavirus which has killed more than a million people globally.

 

The Times report added that plans under consideration by government include allowing a much wider group of healthcare staff to administer the vaccine, setting up of drive-through vaccination centres and recruiting help of armed forces.

 

(Reporting by Sabahatjahan Contractor in Bengaluru; Additional reporting by Rebekah Mathew in Bengaluru; Editing by Diane Craft and Matthew Lewis)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-10-04

 

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[ezzra]

Right now i will not put any trust in anything someone or some government says about an up coming vaccine, too mush wishful talking and scaremongering going around. let us know when the product is ready, tested and approved to be distributed to the masses not a moment before...

[canuckamuck]

I have about a .005 chance of dying from Covid-19. The risk of the health issues from a rapidly developed vaccine of a type never before used, is surely in the 0.1 percentile, if not 1% or higher. Since there is no time for trials. Seems to be me the foolish move would be to take the vaccine.

[4reaL]

3 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

I have about a .005 chance of dying from Covid-19. The risk of the health issues from a rapidly developed vaccine of a type never before used, is surely in the 0.1 percentile, if not 1% or higher. Since there is no time for trials. Seems to be me the foolish move would be to take the vaccine.

 

Do you always only consider yourself?

 

An old porker like Trump has a 67% chance of living or a 33% chance of dying - are those better figures for a potential vaccine?

 

[sungod]

24 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

I have about a .005 chance of dying from Covid-19. The risk of the health issues from a rapidly developed vaccine of a type never before used, is surely in the 0.1 percentile, if not 1% or higher. Since there is no time for trials. Seems to be me the foolish move would be to take the vaccine.

Quite a selfish attitude, typical of the west with their ever mounting body count.

[2long]

Before criticising canuckamuck, it's human nature to be selfish. That's what enables the fittest to survive. I tend to agree with him. Why risk a hastily-developed vaccine if you are among the low risk group?

- Every vaccine a low-risk person takes is one less dose available for others

- Are we sure that the vaccine also protects us from being infectious? Or does it only prevent us from suffering from the virus? Because if it's the latter, it could be more dangerous to have it, with a false sense of security when around more-vulnerable people.

 

While I do not believe the conspiracy theories of the vaccine being loaded with gps, digital passport info or even sterilisation, I do believe that big pharma are hoping to cash in massively on whatever vaccines are available. I will only take it if not doing so prevents international travel.

[canuckamuck]

23 minutes ago, sungod said:

Quite a selfish attitude, typical of the west with their ever mounting body count.

No, it is common sense. If a vaccine is more risky than the disease, why take it? If everybody took it there would be more people sick than if no one took it.

Edited October 4, 2020 by canuckamuck

[sucit]

53 minutes ago, 4reaL said:

 

Do you always only consider yourself?

 

An old porker like Trump has a 67% chance of living or a 33% chance of dying - are those better figures for a potential vaccine?

 

The age and weight category he is in doesn't correspond anywhere near to 33% chance of dying. This isn't 28 Days Later. 

[stevenl]

23 minutes ago, 2long said:

Before criticising canuckamuck, it's human nature to be selfish. That's what enables the fittest to survive. I tend to agree with him. Why risk a hastily-developed vaccine if you are among the low risk group?

- Every vaccine a low-risk person takes is one less dose available for others

- Are we sure that the vaccine also protects us from being infectious? Or does it only prevent us from suffering from the virus? Because if it's the latter, it could be more dangerous to have it, with a false sense of security when around more-vulnerable people.

 

While I do not believe the conspiracy theories of the vaccine being loaded with gps, digital passport info or even sterilisation, I do believe that big pharma are hoping to cash in massively on whatever vaccines are available. I will only take it if not doing so prevents international travel.

See your final sentence. So you're going to take it.

[2long]

28 minutes ago, stevenl said:

See your final sentence. So you're going to take it.

????????????

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, canuckamuck said:

I have about a .005 chance of dying from Covid-19. The risk of the health issues from a rapidly developed vaccine of a type never before used, is surely in the 0.1 percentile, if not 1% or higher.

Did you roll a dice to come up with those numbers or did you just make them up? 

 

[Bender Rodriguez]

it normally takes about 10 years to make a vaccine

 

none was been able to be made for sars

 

now less than a year since the wuflu outbreak, people are desperate enough to get injected with unknown chemicals

 

if thais go for it ? 65.000.000 people x 1000 baht per person cost , for 59 official deaths ?

[PremiumLane]

3 hours ago, ezzra said:

Right now i will not put any trust in anything someone or some government says about an up coming vaccine, too mush wishful talking and scaremongering going around. let us know when the product is ready, tested and approved to be distributed to the masses not a moment before...

The only scaremongering is from uneducated conspiracy theorists, or supposed experts who have no background in virology or producing vaccines. 

The vaccines are being tested right now, what do you think they are doing? Sat around twiddling their thumbs and waiting for someone online to tell them the 'evidence' is in?

[sucit]

6 minutes ago, PremiumLane said:

The only scaremongering is from uneducated conspiracy theorists, or supposed experts who have no background in virology or producing vaccines. 

The vaccines are being tested right now, what do you think they are doing? Sat around twiddling their thumbs and waiting for someone online to tell them the 'evidence' is in?

And what exactly are these test doing to explain possible long term effects?

 

They are obviously rushing. Rushing does not cut it with this stuff if you have your sanity. The only people that should even consider this vaccine are the extremely high risk category.

[scorecard]

3 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

No, it is common sense. If a vaccine is more risky than the disease, why take it? If everybody took it there would be more people sick than if no one took it.

But who says the vaccine is risky?

[micmichd]

4 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

I have about a .005 chance of dying from Covid-19. The risk of the health issues from a rapidly developed vaccine of a type never before used, is surely in the 0.1 percentile, if not 1% or higher. Since there is no time for trials. Seems to be me the foolish move would be to take the vaccine.

When I went to Asia everyone in Germany always said it would be a high risk. I always replied "No risk, no fun" 

I would take any risk to get from Germany back to Thailand if I weren't here already. Including the vaccination side-effects. I would of course take a look at the paper inside the medicine box. 

A posttraumatic stress disorder in Germany would certainly be worse, and in Germany my knee is not so good (so a risk to stumble) And last not least : I kind of disgust the German mentality that would see people like me rather behind bars than in the land of the free. 

Edited October 4, 2020 by micmichd

[canuckamuck]

7 minutes ago, scorecard said:

But who says the vaccine is risky?

It take years to ensure a vaccine is safe and even approved vaccines injure people every year. So therefore this vaccine will be risky. But on top of that, the vaccine being developed is an mRNA vaccine which will essential modify your DNA. That has not been done before. The trial evidence is insufficient, and therefore it is risky. Especially if have not yet had children.

The only people that should consider a vaccine are those at high risk.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

I have about a .005 chance of dying from Covid-19. The risk of the health issues from a rapidly developed vaccine of a type never before used, is surely in the 0.1 percentile, if not 1% or higher. Since there is no time for trials. Seems to be me the foolish move would be to take the vaccine.

I love it when people start quoting %, they normally pluck them out of a place we’ll not talk about.

 

Go on, prove me wrong.

 

 

Edited October 4, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[steelepulse]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/01/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-participants-exhaustion-fever-headaches.html

 

Sounds like a barrel of monkeys. 

 

"Luke Hutchison woke up in the middle of the night with chills and a fever after taking the Covid-19 booster shot in Moderna’s vaccine trial. Another coronavirus vaccine trial participant, testing Pfizer’s candidate, similarly woke up with chills, shaking so hard he cracked a tooth after taking the second dose. "

[micmichd]

7 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

It take years to ensure a vaccine is safe and even approved vaccines injure people every year. So therefore this vaccine will be risky. But on top of that, the vaccine being developed is an mRNA vaccine which will essential modify your DNA. That has not been done before. The trial evidence is insufficient, and therefore it is risky. Especially if have not yet had children.

The only people that should consider a vaccine are those at high risk.

 

Yes. But I would always be considered a high risk in Thailand as long as they don't get the virus under control in Germany, and for that I agree to vaccinations. 

 

The first time I came to Asia I needed vaccinations against smallpox and cholera, and the risk of getting those in "Third world countries" is apparently higher than the vaccination. 

What do I care about genetic modifications? I'm not about to father a child even if a Thai lady wants me to. My favourite Thai lady already has children, and she doesn't want any more kids. 

[micmichd]

10 minutes ago, steelepulse said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/01/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-participants-exhaustion-fever-headaches.html

 

Sounds like a barrel of monkeys. 

 

"Luke Hutchison woke up in the middle of the night with chills and a fever after taking the Covid-19 booster shot in Moderna’s vaccine trial. Another coronavirus vaccine trial participant, testing Pfizer’s candidate, similarly woke up with chills, shaking so hard he cracked a tooth after taking the second dose. "

These are serious side-effects, but doctors are supposed to supply you with appropriate warnings (the principle of informed consent) If you lose a tooth you can sue the doctor or the hospital, and you have a good chance they pay you a new one. 

[Don Mega]

So its going to go from Phase 3 trials to the pharmacy shelves in 3 months ?

 

What could possibly go wrong !!

 

[sungod]

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I love it when people start quoting %, they normally pluck them out of a place we’ll not talk about.

 

Go on, prove me wrong.

 

 

I love it when people on TV become experts overnight, now we have a bank of virologists. 

 

I'd trust the guys developing the Oxford vaccine if they said it was OK.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, sungod said:

I love it when people on TV become experts overnight, now we have a bank of virologists. 

 

I'd trust the guys developing the Oxford vaccine if they said it was OK.

Two points:

 

1. Questioning the source of a quoted percentage requires zero expertise in the subject to which the percentage refers.

 

2. You might want to trust the developers of a vaccine, I prefer to have faith in the regulation of pharmaceutical companies - The Thalidomide tragedy might prompt you to understand why the developers don’t get to independently determine that what they have developed is safe.

 

 

Edited October 4, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[sungod]

4 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

No, it is common sense. If a vaccine is more risky than the disease, why take it? If everybody took it there would be more people sick than if no one took it.

Who says the the vaccine is more risky, the experts developing it or those posting on Thai visa? I know who i would back!

[sungod]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Two points:

 

1. Questioning the source of a quoted percentage requires zero expertise in the subject to which the percentage refers.

 

2. You might want to trust the developers of a vaccine, I prefer to have faith in the regulation of pharmaceutical companies - The Thalidomide tragedy might prompt you to understand why the developers don’t get to independently determine that what they have developed is safe.

 

 

Wasn't arguing with you, chill out.

[Don Mega]

1 minute ago, sungod said:

Who says the the vaccine is more risky, the experts developing it or those posting on Thai visa? I know who i would back!

The experts on Thai visa !!

[sungod]

Just now, Don Mega said:

The experts on Thai visa !!

You need to stop that lunchtime drinking.......

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, sungod said:

Wasn't arguing with you, chill out.

Forgive me I apologize.

 

 

[canuckamuck]

32 minutes ago, sungod said:

Who says the the vaccine is more risky, the experts developing it or those posting on Thai visa? I know who i would back!

Post 18 addresses some situational realities. 

Should we abandon vaccine trials now, because of Covid? Your real question should be who says its safe? And how much do they get paid if we believe them.