Experts raise questions about severity of Trump's COVID-19

[riclag]

21 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

"Debunked" as in "the guys that Trump orders around followed Trump's orders by saying the joy ride was safe (such a joke) as opposed to the director or the military hospital, who does not have to fear Dear President's repercussions, saying Trump is a selfish fool that put secret service in harm's way for a photo op and ego boost. (in other words following science and basic common sense of being quarantined with a deadly virus).

 

What is completely debunked is Riclag's integrity

The director of the military hospital isn't directing the treatment ! According to Mr. Trumps spokesperson he was given the ok to proceed by the doctors and others that supported it.! Please put the director on the microphone  in front of the Mr. Trumps medical doctors when they do a press conference on Mr. Trumps progress so that nitwit can voice his opinion instead of voicing it with reuters

[Morch]

55 minutes ago, pawanranta said:

I was reading that one Whitehouse doctor released a statement like "Trump is fit guy Trump is unbelievably fit I don't know how a man of his age can be so healthy maybe it is because he has such good genes Trump is the healthiest president ever..."   

 

Its unbelievable that Trump can even use coronavirus to his advantage. 

 

 

Yeah, about that....

 

Donald Trump wrote own health letter, says physician Harold Bornstein

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43970908

 

Trump dictated note saying he was 'astonishingly' healthy, doctor says

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/01/trump-dictated-doctors-note-harold-bornstein

[Morch]

17 minutes ago, riclag said:

The director of the military hospital isn't directing the treatment ! According to Mr. Trumps spokesperson he was given the ok to proceed by the doctors and others that supported it.! Please put the director on the microphone  in front of the Mr. Trumps medical doctors when they do a press conference on Mr. Trumps progress so that nitwit can voice his opinion instead of voicing it with reuters

 

Director of Military Hospital A 'Nitwit', Says A 'Swing Voter'.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

It would seem, even some in the Secret Service weren't happy with Trump's wanton joyride. How often do you hear the Secret Service folks talking even anonymously about the president?  That ought to tell you, what's been going on here:

 

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Secret Service agents criticize Trump car ride: 'This should never have happened'

Multiple Secret Service agents are criticizing President Trump's brief appearance in an SUV outside Walter Reed Medical Center Sunday evening, accusing the president of putting his protective detail in unnecessary danger.

 

"He's not even pretending to care now," an agent who requested anonymity told The Washington Post.

"That should never have happened," another unidentified agent who works in both the presidential and first family detail, told CNN. "The frustration with how we're treated when it comes to decisions on this illness goes back before this though. We're not disposable."
 

Agents are authorized to decline requests that would place the president at risk, but not those that would put themselves at risk.

 

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/519588-secret-service-agents-criticize-trump-car-ride-this-should-never-have

 

Edited October 5, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, riclag said:

The director of the military hospital isn't directing the treatment ! According to Mr. Trumps spokesperson he was given the ok to proceed by the doctors and others that supported it.! Please put the director on the microphone  in front of the Mr. Trumps medical doctors when they do a press conference on Mr. Trumps progress so that nitwit can voice his opinion instead of voicing it with reuters

The hospital Director can voice his opinion with whomsoever he wishes.

 

First Amendment.

....

’According to Trump’s spokesperson’ 

 

That’ll be the spokesperson employed by Trump, paid by Trump and told what to say by Trump.

[riclag]

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Yeah, about that....

 

Donald Trump wrote own health letter, says physician Harold Bornstein

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43970908

 

Trump dictated note saying he was 'astonishingly' healthy, doctor says

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/01/trump-dictated-doctors-note-harold-bornstein

The guardian article was from two thousand eighteen! 

Edited October 5, 2020 by riclag

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

The guardian article was from two thousand fifteen

Yup, Trump has a long history of doctors writing letters/reports worded exactly as Trump wants them worded.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

The guardian article was from two thousand fifteen

 

Oh.

Yeah...so, presumably, you had a point?

[elliss]

9 hours ago, PatOngo said:

The reality TV show continues!

 

 Media , rules ..

[Paiman]

5 hours ago, Benmart said:

Thank you Doctor Opinion.

 

All opinions matter

[PatOngo]

4 hours ago, chercheur888 said:

Trump's Covid 19 positivity is Fake News and yes, the TV reality show continues.

As does the rate of infection!

[asiacurious]

7 hours ago, asiacurious said:

11 hours ago, J Town said:

According to CDC guidelines, “In general, transport and movement of a patient with suspected or confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection outside of their room should be limited to medically essential purposes.”

 

Stroking one's ego is hardly medically essential.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/trump-takes-car-ride-ignoring-covid-infection-73424268

 

Hmmm.....  Now I'm a bit torn  In Trump's case, stroking his ego might actually be medically essential.  

 

Ok, I'm even more sure that it really IS a medically essential.....

 

 

It must feel like he's locked up inside a prison.

 

He really might want to stay a bit longer so he can get comfortable with that feeling.

 

 

Edited October 5, 2020 by asiacurious

[Redline]

They should start him jogging immediately 

[Maestro]

Is Trump's latest Covid-19 test negative?

 

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Tweet

 

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Donald J. Trump

 

@realDonaldTrump

 

I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good! Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!

 

8:37 pm · 5 Oct 2020·Twitter for iPhone

 

 

Source:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313186529058136070

 

P.S. The time stamp 8:37 pm in the tweet is Central European Time and equals 2:37 pm Trump time (Eastern Daylight Savings Time)

 

Edited October 5, 2020 by Maestro
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[Credo]

5 minutes ago, Maestro said:

Is Trump's latest Covid-19 test negative?

 

 

Source:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313186529058136070

No, it would not be negative.   He will remain infected and infectious for quite some time.   Even after the symptoms are gone it is recommended you remain isolated for 10 days.   I believe this is shorter once you test negative.  

 

[Scott]

Inflammatory troll post removed. 

 

[Stargeezr]

So the USA leader can feel good today, but get a relapse.  Oh...  wouldn't  that be to bad.  Well guess we all have to wait to see what next week brings.  How many others in the White house will be infected and sick.  The saga continues,

but I am sure we will see it all via the news media outlets.

Geezer

[simple1]

Pope's opinion of trump policies in current crisis...

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pope-francis-calls-for-brotherhood-amid-covid-19-pandemic-11601806766

 

http://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20201003_enciclica-fratelli-tutti.html

 

 

[simple1]

WH refuses to accept FDA guidelines for Covid-19 vaccine approval.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-takes-issue-with-fdas-plans-for-authorizing-a-covid-19-vaccine-11601663139

 

 

[J Town]

This is simply reckless behavior. He tells a nation to drink bleach and the number of people winding up sick from chlorine bleach poisoning goes up. The first thing he does when doing yet another failed photo op is remove his mask. His actions have consequences!

 

How ANYONE cannot grasp the concept of America having the highest number of Covid deaths directly related to the mishandling of the pandemic is beyond comprehension. 

[TopDeadSenter]

10 minutes ago, J Town said:

This is simply reckless behavior. He tells a nation to drink bleach

Fact-check: Did Trump tell people to drink bleach to kill the coronavirus?

 

PolitiFact’s ruling: Mostly False.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200713/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus

 

Floating an idea is not the same as telling someone to do something. Deliberately false and misleading statements are not allowed on this forum. Now you know the facts surrounding your repeated and false claim. 

 

[J Town]

23 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Fact-check: Did Trump tell people to drink bleach to kill the coronavirus?

 

PolitiFact’s ruling: Mostly False.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200713/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus

 

Floating an idea is not the same as telling someone to do something. Deliberately false and misleading statements are not allowed on this forum. Now you know the facts surrounding your repeated and false claim. 

 

If you're the president, every word has consequences. We've all seen the video time and time again. He floated the idea of ingesting bleach and too many people took it as gospel. He removed his mask for a photo op, flaunting the science that every doctor and sane person in the world supports. This sends the word out NOT to take it seriously which will result in more cases, more deaths.

 

THIS is the reason US has more cases and more deaths per capita than any other country. How can people not see this? How can people still defend this reckless, narcissistic behavior that puts American citizens' lives in mortal danger?

 

 

Edited October 6, 2020 by J Town
punctuation

[PaoloR]

7 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Fact-check: Did Trump tell people to drink bleach to kill the coronavirus?

 

PolitiFact’s ruling: Mostly False.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200713/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus

 

Floating an idea is not the same as telling someone to do something. Deliberately false and misleading statements are not allowed on this forum. Now you know the facts surrounding your repeated and false claim. 

A guy who repeatedly spouts out Trump's rubbish reprimands you for false and misleading statements.

Typical Trump reaction "do as I say - not as I do",

These clowns have no defense for the complete mess Trump has made of this situation and the way in which he will continue to do so. 

[simple1]

21 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Floating an idea is not the same as telling someone to do something.

Normally true, but not with trump followers - remember the flood of calls to health officials to confirm if OK to go ahead with trump's 'ideas'. trump should not be speculating on matters crucial for the nation's health, only talking to empirically proven medical advice.

 

trump's latest foolishness and complete disregard for others safety with his appearance at the WH after leaving hospital again demonstrates he is unfit to represent the Office of the President of the USA.

 

Currently polls are showing Biden well ahead of trump, hopefully the trend continues so we will see the removal of trump and his awful enablers in the near future - no more disgusting posed images of ignominious Mussolini style strutting by trump!

Edited October 6, 2020 by simple1

[heybruce]

23 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Normally true, but not with trump followers - remember the flood of calls to health officials to confirm if OK to go ahead with trump's 'ideas'. trump should not be speculating on matters crucial for the nation's health, only talking to empirically proven medical advice.

 

trump's latest foolishness and complete disregard for others safety with his appearance at the WH after leaving hospital again demonstrates he is unfit to represent the Office of the President of the USA.

 

Currently polls are showing Biden well ahead of trump, hopefully the trend continues so we will see the removal of trump and his awful enablers in the near future - no more disgusting posed images of ignominious Mussolini style strutting by trump!

Polls show Biden's lead to be much smaller or non-existent in critical swing states, most notably Florida which appears to be very evenly divided.  If you are a US citizen, vote!

[simple1]

13 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Polls show Biden's lead to be much smaller or non-existent in critical swing states, most notably Florida which appears to be very evenly divided.  If you are a US citizen, vote!

I'm not a US citizen. Dems have so much ammo against trump, Dems must focus and break through the wall of disinformation enabling trump. Having trump in power for another four years will be terrible for Western democracies and IMO, for US domestic wellbeing.

Edited October 6, 2020 by simple1

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, simple1 said:

I'm not a US citizen. Dems have so much ammo against trump, Dems must focus and break through the wall of disinformation enabling trump. Having trump in power for another four years will be terrible for Western democracies and IMO, for US domestic wellbeing.

Having the information doesn't help if people don't want to accept it.

 

Unfortunately people don't want to make the effort to stay broadly informed, they want to be spoon-fed information that they agree with, and have it delivered in a manner they find entertaining.  Hence the 24 hour infotainment channels masquerading as news sources. 

 

Print media is dying; apparently people find reading to be too much work.  Here on TV there are posters who rely largely if not entirely on videos they mistake for legitimate news, instead of looking up real, credible sources.

[Morch]

4 hours ago, simple1 said:

I'm not a US citizen. Dems have so much ammo against trump, Dems must focus and break through the wall of disinformation enabling trump. Having trump in power for another four years will be terrible for Western democracies and IMO, for US domestic wellbeing.

 

As @heybruce said, the immediate effect of information seems a bit limited - what with people hanging on to narratives as  scripture, when beliefs and opinions trump facts and reality, and when a counter-narrative made out of 'alternative facts' is easy to produce. Don't get me wrong, information is important, but maybe more so as a long term, sustained effort.

 

With regard to the upcoming elections, and polling trends, there's too little change as far as undecided votes and swing states are concerned. Attempting to 'convert' people who's mind is make up is not impossible, but might not be the best use of political energy.

 

Rather, I think that for Biden's campaign this is now more about making sure supporters actually cast their vote. Get in the numbers you already 'have', then worry (maybe) about getting extra.

[simple1]

58 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

As @heybruce said, the immediate effect of information seems a bit limited - what with people hanging on to narratives as  scripture, when beliefs and opinions trump facts and reality, and when a counter-narrative made out of 'alternative facts' is easy to produce. Don't get me wrong, information is important, but maybe more so as a long term, sustained effort.

 

With regard to the upcoming elections, and polling trends, there's too little change as far as undecided votes and swing states are concerned. Attempting to 'convert' people who's mind is make up is not impossible, but might not be the best use of political energy.

 

Rather, I think that for Biden's campaign this is now more about making sure supporters actually cast their vote. Get in the numbers you already 'have', then worry (maybe) about getting extra.

I just finished watching a doco from a program named Dateline which is broadcast in Australia; don't know if can logon from overseas, but link below. The doco talked to the 2016 trump election campaign working with Cambridge Analytica on discouraging African Americans voting for Clinton in swing States by way of targeted messaging; it was remarkably successful with big reductions in African American voters. One hopes the Dems learnt the necessary lessons and can effectively counter this time round.

 

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/dateline/trump-campaign-worked-to-deter-black-voters-to-win-last-election-here-s-how

[JCauto]

On 10/5/2020 at 12:41 PM, riclag said:

Here's another source lol

"White House spokesman Judd Deere defended the outing, telling reporters that “appropriate precautions were taken in the execution of this movement to protect the president and all those supporting it.” Deere said precautions included personal protective equipment, without providing further details, and added that the trip “was cleared by the medical team as safe to do.”

https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/10/04/secret-service-agents-doctors-aghast-at-trumps-drive-outside-hospital/

Yes, and of course there would be no consequences if they hadn't "cleared" the trip. You can tell, because the same medical team admitted that they had lied repeatedly about the President's condition in order that it was "upbeat". 

Remember, the best medicine comes from people who habitually lie and change their protocols and processes according to the whims of the patient.