With pandemic dominating U.S. election, older voters turning away from Trump

[Lacessit]

10 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

 

 

Austin American-Statesman (slightly left leaning bias with a high factual rating) - Fact-check: Did Trump tell people to drink bleach to kill the coronavirus?

 

 

In post #10, you stated you don't believe in fact-checkers. In this post, you quote a fact-checker in support of an argument.

If nothing else, the mental gymnastics Trump supporters are willing to undertake in support of their idol are quite entertaining.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Thats an odd post from one who claims he is not a trump supporter.

I have many times said I support him as better than the other candidate, but I've also said that I'd have supported Bernie over him, and that he is not the best person to be president. Sadly, IMO, US politics is so broken that the choice has come down to 2 old rich white men and one has to choose the least worst of the 2. IMO Trump is the least worse of the only 2 viable candidates on offer.

Ergo I do support Trump, but only as he's a better, IMO, choice than Biden. Had the Dems put up a decent candidate with acceptable policies I'd support them instead.

[polpott]

9 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

The drinking bleach accusation against Trump is completely false.  He never spoke those words.

Fact

 

 

[simple1]

8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I believe he'll win because the opposition choice is even worse.

Same as in the last election.

 

Try putting up a choice that isn't an obvious globalist sock puppet if you want someone else to win.

Nobody wants Trump as president, he's just the lest worse candidate.

trump as a business guy was not the manifestation of the ugly 'globalist'? trump's been ripping off the less fortunate for decades. trump as president has been looking out for the 1% as well as attempting to destroy all oversight of his administration and corporate activities.

Edited October 10, 2020 by simple1

[J Town]

12 hours ago, Morch said:

Remarkably, you seem to have no issues making up stuff.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/reuters/

Reuters is a 'leftist news outlet' only if one is firmly entrenched out there to the right.

Some people need pictures:

 

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I believe he'll win because the opposition choice is even worse.

Same as in the last election.

 

Try putting up a choice that isn't an obvious globalist sock puppet if you want someone else to win.

Nobody wants Trump as president, he's just the least worse candidate.

Well said, but I fear your words will not be appreciated by the Trump haters. I've said many times that I support Trump as the least worst candidate, and not because he's a good person, but I'm still getting the same old same old type of personal post accusing me of supporting Trump, as if that were a bad thing to do.

Strikes me that some assume that because I support Trump I must be a bad person, LOL.

 

However, he at least enjoys campaigning, playing to large crowds of people having a great time, unlike the other one that IMO lacks a sense of humour. I said 4 years ago that he was entertaining and I wasn't wrong.

[J Town]

11 hours ago, fishtank said:

Americans put this fool in the White House.

They must feel ashamed.

Those who knew better then are ashamed of a government actively attacking its own citizens and a country that has revealed itself for the millions of homophobic/racist/sexist imbeciles residing there.

[Emdog]

"Fool me once: shame on you

Try to fool me twice: I'm not voting for you"

My brother is a life long Republican. He totally hated Obama, almost to a pathological level. I gave up talking politics with him.

Amazingly, he thinks Trump is a total idiot screwup. He volunteered that view. I haven't asked if he's going to vote for Biden, but I figure just recognizing Trump for what he is is half the battle

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

trump as a business guy was not the manifestation of the ugly 'globalist'? trump's been ripping off the less fortunate for decades. trump as president has been looking out for the 1% as well as attempting to destroy all oversight of his administration and corporate activities.

Nothing you said in that post proves that Biden is a better candidate, IMO. Pity that the Dems chose a candidate that is IMO so bad that people will vote for a scoundrel like Trump in preference to him!

[Chomper Higgot]

31 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Trump was elected, IMO, BECAUSE he isn't a normal politician. The people that voted for him did so, IMO because he was rough and unpolished and said things he shouldn't just like a normal person does. The average person, IMO, no longer identifies with career politicians that have never done a real job their entire lives.

Then the ‘people’ saw what an utter failure and fruit cake he is.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Emdog said:

"Fool me once: shame on you

Try to fool me twice: I'm not voting for you"

My brother is a life long Republican. He totally hated Obama, almost to a pathological level. I gave up talking politics with him.

Amazingly, he thinks Trump is a total idiot screwup. He volunteered that view. I haven't asked if he's going to vote for Biden, but I figure just recognizing Trump for what he is is half the battle

Many of us think Trump is a total idiot screwup, but still a better choice than Biden.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well said, but I fear your words will not be appreciated by the Trump haters. I've said many times that I support Trump as the least worst candidate, and not because he's a good person, but I'm still getting the same old same old type of personal post accusing me of supporting Trump, as if that were a bad thing to do.

Strikes me that some assume that because I support Trump I must be a bad person, LOL.

 

However, he at least enjoys campaigning, playing to large crowds of people having a great time, unlike the other one that IMO lacks a sense of humour. I said 4 years ago that he was entertaining and I wasn't wrong.

The job of the President is not to be ‘entertaining’, but if Trump’s litany of cruelty and madness are your idea of ‘entertaining perhaps America needs something a little more ‘stable’.

[J Town]

22 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Nothing you said in that post proves that Biden is a better candidate, IMO. Pity that the Dems chose a candidate that is IMO so bad that people will vote for a scoundrel like Trump in preference to him!

Biden is a HORRIBLE candidate. He's just nowhere NEAR the terrible homophobe/racist as 45.

[J Town]

22 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Many of us think Trump is a total idiot screwup, but still a better choice than Biden.

(in the voice of Mr. T) "I pity dose fools."

[simple1]

39 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Nothing you said in that post proves that Biden is a better candidate, IMO. Pity that the Dems chose a candidate that is IMO so bad that people will vote for a scoundrel like Trump in preference to him!

Whatever Biden has supported / proposed in the past is superseded by his current manifesto, for people to keep rabbiting on about political decisions years before he became VP, should also be applied to trump's abuse of the less fortunate for decades for which he has never apologised, nor paid off any creditors when he regained significant wealth; I know it's not required by law, but demonstrates he has no respect for those who suffered due to his activities.

 

I have no view that Biden is 'so bad', I understand he's made some errors of judgement, but so far as I know admits mistakes, as opposed to trump's doubling down. For me, trump is the embodiment of personal, business and presidential malfeasance - could be proven incorrect, but I do believe the majority of US voters have reached the same conclusions and he will be wiped out as he only won 2016 by a small margin in the battleground States.

 

Will be interesting to see if the trump campaign can implement the same strategies for discouraging Dem voters without the evil empire of Cambridge Analytics. I guess the relationship with the CEO of USPS is the replacement strategy, he should be immediately removed, but that isn't going to happen whilst trump is in power.

Edited October 10, 2020 by simple1

[polpott]

11 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Will be interesting to see if the trump campaign can implement the same strategies for discouraging Dem voters without the evil empire of Cambridge Analytics.

Don't worry the St. Petersburg Troll Farm are doubling their efforts. Also Trump is trying to resurrect the issue that won him the last election.......the Clinton emails. I wonder if Billy Baa will announce that he is reopening the investigation days before the vote?

[Rimmer]

A troll post has been removed

[thaibeachlovers]

12 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Whatever Biden has supported / proposed in the past is superseded by his current manifesto, for people to keep rabbiting on about political decisions years before he became VP, should also be applied to trump's abuse of the less fortunate for decades for which he has never apologised, nor paid off any creditors when he regained significant wealth; I know it's not required by law, but demonstrates he has no respect for those who suffered due to his activities.

 

I have no view that Biden is 'so bad', I understand he's made some errors of judgement, but so far as I know admits mistakes, as opposed to trump's doubling down. For me, trump is the embodiment of personal, business and presidential malfeasance - could be proven incorrect, but I do believe the majority of US voters have reached the same conclusions and he will be wiped out as he only won 2016 by a small margin in the battleground States.

 

Will be interesting to see if the trump campaign can implement the same strategies for discouraging Dem voters without the evil empire of Cambridge Analytics.

I know nothing about Biden from before, except he was VP to Obama and overlooked by the media except for the gaffes he made.

Any opinions I have about him now relate to him now, and not in the past.

 

Anyway, I'll take a man that worked for a living over a career politician, no matter how irritating he may be to some.

[Tippaporn]

 

57 minutes ago, polpott said:

10 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

The drinking bleach accusation against Trump is completely false.  He never spoke those words.

Fact

 

 

What's interesting about this Reuters article is that of all the people they could have quoted and all of the quotes they could have used as reasons for someone moving away from Trump, in order to support the article's tenet that older Americans are abandoning Trump, they chose one which uses the 'drink bleach' falsehood.  Keep in mind that every other article in which Trump is quoting a perceived (by some) falsehood the writers are quick to emphatically point out the falsity with appended statements such as "without any evidence," for example.  Yet here they allow a falsehood to be used as the reason for someone's disappointment with Trump and do not add any correction to that reason to let readers know that it is unequivocally false.

 

Not sure what you're trying to prove with this video but he never mentions drinking bleach.  His only mention is in considering the possibility of injecting a disinfectant.  People have used extreme hyperbole to the extent of claiming that Trump outright suggested people drink bleach and substituting the word 'bleach' for 'disinfectant.'  Just goes to show how far folks will go to distort truth in order to create, believe and sustain a false narrative.

 

Not only did Trump never utter the words 'drink bleach' he never even used the word 'bleach.'  He used the term 'disinfectant.'  What's obvious is that people who hate Trump used embellishment in order to make his suggestion appear not only in the worst possible light but to also then use their own fake hyperbole to then paint Trump as an irresponsible loon as well.  They're trying to inflict maximum damage.  There is no other valid reason I can think of.

 

I dunno about anyone else but the deceit, which I consider purposeful, is obvious to me.

 

Edited October 10, 2020 by Tippaporn

[polpott]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Not sure what you're trying to prove with this video but he never mentions drinking bleach. 

OK, injecting disinfectant. Happy now? As a child I did drink bleach and ended up in hospital. If I'd injected disinfectant, I'd be dead.

 

 

Edited October 10, 2020 by polpott

[simple1]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I know nothing about Biden from before, except he was VP to Obama and overlooked by the media except for the gaffes he made.

Any opinions I have about him now relate to him now, and not in the past.

 

Anyway, I'll take a man that worked for a living over a career politician, no matter how irritating he may be to some.

What specifically do you disagree with in Bidens manifesto?

 

trump a businessman - more like a rip off artist for most of his working life, including his misnamed 'charities'.

[mtls2005]

1 hour ago, Boon Mee said:

My dear Aunt whose neighborhood there in Palm Springs, California tells moi that she sees virtually zero Biden signs on lawns there. Nothing but Trump as far as the eye can see!

 

Hmm.

 

36th Congressional District is decidely BLUE.  Raul Ruiz won in 2018 by  40,000 votes.

 

Riverside County is closer, but Clinton still carried Riverside by ~ 40,000 votes.

 

Clinton also won Palm Springs.

 

Unless your Aunt plans to vote several thousand times, maybe check her vision and or meds?

 

 

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Not sure what you're trying to prove with this video but he never mentions drinking bleach.

OK, injecting it. Happy now?

No.  I would if you continued your correction fully to include that Trump never even used the word 'bleach' and his suggestion of injecting a disinfection was given only as a possibility for the medical profession to explore and not as an endorsement for people to try at home.  Then I would consider it truthful.

[polpott]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

No.  I would if you continued your correction fully to include that Trump never even used the word 'bleach' and his suggestion of injecting a disinfection was given only as a possibility for the medical profession to explore and not as an endorsement for people to try at home.  Then I would consider it truthful.

However you spin it it still made him look like a completely irresponsible idiot. (See my edited post).

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I know nothing about Biden from before, except he was VP to Obama and overlooked by the media except for the gaffes he made.

Any opinions I have about him now relate to him now, and not in the past.

 

Anyway, I'll take a man that worked for a living over a career politician, no matter how irritating he may be to some.

LOL, worked for a living? Inherited wealth from his father, proceeded to multiple bankruptcies. Even now, financing interest payments on about $350 million of debt from  having government meetings held in the properties he owns.

I was aware one can get snow blindness in the Antarctic, didn't know there were other forms.

[J Town]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps you can list Biden's accomplishments in a long political career that would prove he'd make a good president.

Trump got 2 conservative justices on SCOTUS- that alone makes him successful. Hopefully 3 before the end of the year.

Trump took the US out of the Trans Pacific agreement, the Iran thing, and the Paris climate accord- I'd vote for him based on just those 3 decisions alone. If Biden were president he's probably going to suck up to China and re enter the Paris accord, which are a couple of reasons I would never vote for him.

Here are some of 45's "accomplishments":

 

1. Trump doesn't read books nor security briefings.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/americas-first-post-text-president/549794/

2. Doesn't honorably pay his bills.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

3. Trump gleefully described how he uses his fame to grope and harass women.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-10-07/hot-mic-catches-donald-trump-bragging-about-sexual-assault

4. Trump has openly endorsed violent retaliation against people who disrupt his rallies, offering to pay their legal fees.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-campaign-protests-20160313-story.html

5. Direct quote: "I could shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters

6. Trump shared a hilarious story about not wanting to help a dying man.
https://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-howard-stern-story

7. Lied about seeing thousands in New Jersey cheereding when World Trade Center tumbled.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/nov/22/donald-trump/fact-checking-trumps-claim-thousands-new-jersey-ch/

8. Trump told security to take protesters' coats: 'Throw them out into the cold'.
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/265172-trump-tells-security-to-confiscate-protesters-coats

9. Trump is removing expertise from all levels of government.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2017/03/how-trump-is-changing-science-environment/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/28/climate/trump-administration-war-on-science.html
https://civilrights.org/trump-rollbacks/

10. Trump is profiting from his businesses, in part by leveraging his position as president, including overcharging the Secret Service for space in the properties he owns, a direct violation of the emoluments clause.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/20/trump-businesses-empire-tied-presidency-100496
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-charges-secret-service-for-protection-hotel-properties-report-2020-2

11. His policies have separated children from their families while managing to lose track of over 1500 kids.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/us/trump-immigrant-children-lost.html

12. Demonstrated Abuse of Power and Obstruction of Congress for which he was impeached.
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/116th-congress/house-report/346/1

13. Trump paid Court-Ordered $2 Million For illegally using Trump Foundation Funds.
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation

14. Trump quote: “[Biden] was only a good vice president because he figured out how to kiss Barack Obama’s ass.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-attacks-bidens-in-personal-and-coarse-terms-at-minnesota-rally/2019/10/10/3c2304c2-ebc6-11e9-9c6d-436a0df4f31d_story.html

15. Trump attacked Democratic Rep. Debbie Dingell and her late husband, Rep. John Dingell, during a rally on Wednesday, implying the former congressman was "looking up" from hell.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/trump-rally-john-dingell-hell/index.html

16. Called for the assassination of an Iranian military leader and lied about the reason.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/trump-case-for-killing-soleimani-iran-lies.html

17. Trump fired people who testified against him.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/alexander-vindman-gordon-sondland-trump-white-house-ukraine-impeachment-latest-a9324531.html

18. Has been firing Inspector Generals for suspect motives. In two cases, questions were raised about whether the dismissals related to ongoing IG investigations into the conduct of the cabinet secretary in charge of that department. The cumulative firings are often described as a "purge" or as a "war on watchdogs".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_dismissal_of_inspectors_general#:~:text=On Friday%2C May 15%2C at,Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

19. Declared the Covid-19 a "Democratic hoax" AFTER having been warned for months by his advisers how this was going to be a serious problem, resulting in unnecessary deaths.
https://www.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=007115

20. Had U.S. citizens gassed and flash bombed so he could pose for a phony photo op. The church pastor vehemently condemned this act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_photo_op_at_St._John's_Church
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-st-johns-church-visit-staging-bishop-mariann-budde/

21. Said "George Floyd is looking down from heaven and appreciating the great day in terms of equality."
https://news.knowledia.com/US/en/articles/trump-suggests-george-floyd-is-looking-down-from-heaven-and-e7241a79a337a52aea47eb87182b4675b02eb3aa
 
Biden is by no means a great candidate, but while he has many policy blunders in his past, they pale in comparison to the cumulative laws broken by the incumbent. In my opinion, Trump's behavior is that of a dictator in the making and democracy itself is at stake.

[pacovl46]

54 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I can recognize baiting when I see it but I'll bite. More to the point is what's right with Biden?

He’s not Trump! That’s already more than sufficient in my book!

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

LOL, worked for a living? Inherited wealth from his father, proceeded to multiple bankruptcies. Even now, financing interest payments on about $350 million of debt from  having government meetings held in the properties he owns.

I was aware one can get snow blindness in the Antarctic, didn't know there were other forms.

Nah, I never got snow blindness.

I hope you realise that for everything you say against Trump I could find something to say against Biden, but no matter. Having seen Harris for the first time in the VP debate I'd vote for Trump just to stop her becoming president.

Conversely, I'd love to see Pence in the big chair. That's a prospect that probably frightens Dems, and if it doesn't it should.

[Sujo]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps you can list Biden's accomplishments in a long political career that would prove he'd make a good president.

Trump got 2 conservative justices on SCOTUS- that alone makes him successful. Hopefully 3 before the end of the year.

Trump took the US out of the Trans Pacific agreement, the Iran thing, and the Paris climate accord- I'd vote for him based on just those 3 decisions alone. If Biden were president he's probably going to suck up to China and re enter the Paris accord, which are a couple of reasons I would never vote for him.

But in the debate pence said the US has done better than the target set in the paris accord. You vote for him because he got out of the accord but then exceeded that target? That makes no sense at all.

 

Appointing 2 justices is a matter of fate/luck, it has nothing to do with success.

 

How has leaving the iran thing been successful?

[Tippaporn]

12 minutes ago, polpott said:

However you spin it it still made him look like a completely irresponsible idiot. (See my edited post).

You can't spin truth.  It is what it is.  Only false narratives are spun from a distortion of truth.