COVID-19 is not going away soon or ever

[scammed]

2 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

SWEDEN - needleslyy killed more people than it's neighbouring countries like Norway, Denmark by a country mile.

 

SWEDEN - one of the highest death rates in the world. 

 

SWEDEN - whose economy is wrecked, a fall of GDP by 10% on par with the worst hit countries because people are too afraid too come out and low consumer confidence. 

 

SWEDEN - who has one big city with a population of 900,000 but a huge land mass. Compared to London with a population close to 10 million. 

 

SWEDEN - who government has massive low approval ratings and have no chance of staying in power. 

 

SWEDEN - where it is estimated only 25% of their population have the virus and thus no herd immunity.

 

SWEDEN - who believed in herd immunity, but the WHO are now saying immunity may only last 6 months to a year. Will Sweden repeat the herd immunity concept next year?

 

SWEDEN - who closed down schools, shut down bars, and many shops voluntarily closed as people were not coming.

 

DON'T BE LIKE SWEDEN.  

 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-29/sweden-s-economy-posts-surprise-upside-amid-lax-covid-19-plan

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354

[RoadWarrior371]

2 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

SWEDEN - needleslyy killed more people than it's neighbouring countries like Norway, Denmark by a country mile.

 

SWEDEN - one of the highest death rates in the world. 

 

SWEDEN - whose economy is wrecked, a fall of GDP by 10% on par with the worst hit countries because people are too afraid too come out and low consumer confidence. 

 

SWEDEN - who has one big city with a population of 900,000 but a huge land mass. Compared to London with a population close to 10 million. 

 

SWEDEN - who government has massive low approval ratings and have no chance of staying in power. 

 

SWEDEN - where it is estimated only 25% of their population have the virus and thus no herd immunity.

 

SWEDEN - who believed in herd immunity, but the WHO are now saying immunity may only last 6 months to a year. Will Sweden repeat the herd immunity concept next year?

 

SWEDEN - who closed down schools, shut down bars, and many shops voluntarily closed as people were not coming.

 

DON'T BE LIKE SWEDEN.  

 

 

Cool story bro, did you re-imagine those numbers?  LOL

[Jeffr2]

9 hours ago, scammed said:

you got that 180 degree wrong, swedens economy are doing better then their neighbors and the health care system arent preoccupied with covid at the expense of all other tasks,

the loss of jobs are less then other nations although

their economic collapse did have an effect on sweden too since its a net export country

Not true.  Not sure where you're getting your news from?

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sweden-gdp-falls-8pc-in-q2-worse-nordic-neighbors-2020-8

 

Sweden's GDP slumped 8.6% in Q2, more sharply than its neighbors despite its no-lockdown policy

 

The fall is sharper than its neighbors — Denmark registered a 7.4% fall, and Finland a 3.2% fall. Statistics suggest Norway also fared better than Sweden.

[Jeffr2]

9 hours ago, PatrickC said:

 

And public health measures can't cut down diabetes? Or cancers? Governments could ban sugary or oily foods if they wanted. Yet they don't. And how about alcohol related deaths? Also could easily be reduced by banning booze. Yet governments don't.

 

Sorry but what you wrote is not true. The reason we've reacted so strongly to this is because of a primal fear response. Over coming years, as people start to die from all the cancers not diagnosed during lockdowns, there needs to be a reckoning - Nuremberg type trials where leaders are brought to account for this.

Diabetes and cancer don't act like this.  Impossible to compare CV19 to other health issues, or even the seasonal flu.  Though many CV19 deniers try.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/us/rural-jails-coronavirus-mountain-west.html?campaign_id=2&emc=edit_th_20201017&instance_id=23240&nl=todaysheadlines&regi_id=80027960&segment_id=41361&user_id=1298cdda864738dcf5f5cb52747197da

 

‘I Just Kind of Lost It’: As Coronavirus Cases Soar, One Montana Town Reels

In the Mountain West, an outbreak has revealed the danger that the virus poses to jails and rural communities.

[scammed]

19 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Not true.  Not sure where you're getting your news from?

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sweden-gdp-falls-8pc-in-q2-worse-nordic-neighbors-2020-8

 

Sweden's GDP slumped 8.6% in Q2, more sharply than its neighbors despite its no-lockdown policy

 

The fall is sharper than its neighbors — Denmark registered a 7.4% fall, and Finland a 3.2% fall. Statistics suggest Norway also fared better than Sweden.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-29/sweden-s-economy-posts-surprise-upside-amid-lax-covid-19-plan

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354

 

the rest of the world collapsed the moment they shut down economy while the swedish economy grew, but the world being interconnected and the swedish economy depending on exports, it was bound to have a negative impact on sweden, after some lag

to get the effect of the rest of the worlds

disastrous policy

 

 

Edited October 17, 2020 by scammed

[Credo]

10 minutes ago, scammed said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-29/sweden-s-economy-posts-surprise-upside-amid-lax-covid-19-plan

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354

 

the rest of the world collapsed the moment they shut down economy while the swedish economy grew, but the world being interconnected and the swedish economy depending on exports, it was bound to have a negative impact on sweden, after some lag

to get the effect of the rest of the worlds

disastrous policy

 

 

So, basically if they would have shut down they would have saved lives, but by not shutting down they lost lives and their economy suffered.   Do you see the problem with your reasoning?

 

[Jeffr2]

10 minutes ago, scammed said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-29/sweden-s-economy-posts-surprise-upside-amid-lax-covid-19-plan

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354

 

the rest of the world collapsed the moment they shut down economy while the swedish economy grew, but the world being interconnected and the swedish economy depending on exports, it was bound to have a negative impact on sweden, after some lag

to get the effect of the rest of the worlds

disastrous policy

 

 

Well put.  They initially did OK.  But like you say, we live in a global society.  Impossible to escape that now.

 

Sadly, the covid deniers point to Sweden as a success.  It's not.  No easy answers these days.

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, Credo said:

So, basically if they would have shut down they would have saved lives, but by not shutting down they lost lives and their economy suffered.   Do you see the problem with your reasoning?

 

Their experiment failed.  Hopefully, no country is stupid enough to try herd immunity! LOL

[scammed]

9 minutes ago, Credo said:

So, basically if they would have shut down they would have saved lives, but by not shutting down they lost lives and their economy suffered.   Do you see the problem with your reasoning?

 

swedens economy didnt suffer as much as the lockdown nations,

the internal market is still somewhat unaffected, and that may well in the end save more lives, they arent isolated and destitute

and that is a good thing for public health and quality of life.

you need to look at this from a holistic perspective or you fall into a logical fallacy,

covid victims arent the only people that count and not the only one suffering,

they make up a fraction of a percent and shouldnt dominate policy

Edited October 18, 2020 by scammed

[Jeffr2]

10 minutes ago, scammed said:

swedens economy didnt suffer as much as the lockdown nations,

the internal market is still somewhat unaffected, and that may well in the end save more lives, they arent isolated and destitute

and that is a good thing for public health and quality of life.

you need to look at this from a holistic perspective or you fall into a logical fallacy,

covid victims arent the only people that count and not the only one suffering,

they make up a fraction of a percent and shouldnt dominate policy

Compared to their nearest neighbors, Sweden's economy did worse.  Impossible to compare it to any other countries.  Just doesn't make sense.

 

You are right, covid victims aren't the only people suffering.  Though many of us feel it's a bit selfish to say their lives and health isn't more important than others rights to go out without masks and social distancing.

 

No easy answers here.  The virus is back raging across the US and Europe.  Mainly due to the general population ignoring their health departments recommendations.

[Jeffr2]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/17/health/us-coronavirus-saturday/index.html

 

'A harrowing time.' Ten states reported their highest number of new coronavirus cases on Friday

 

Ten states reported their highest single-day tallies of new Covid-19 infections Friday, and the country reported its highest one-day total since July, as experts say a dangerous fall surge of coronavirus infections is well underway.

"This really is a harrowing time, and people have to be careful," epidemiologist Dr. Abdul El-Sayed told CNN on Saturday.

[Jeffr2]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/16/europe/europe-coronavirus-records-intl/index.html

 

European nations smash Covid-19 records as WHO warns daily deaths could surpass April peak

 

Concern is mounting in Europe as countries smash records for daily coronavirus cases and the World Health Organization warns that the daily death toll on the continent could reach five times its April peak within months.

Countries that managed to contain infection rates through spring lockdowns and began relaxing measures are watching the virus return with a vengeance, with Germany, France and the Czech Republic all reporting record case numbers in the past two days.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/17/2020 at 2:29 AM, Max69xl said:

FYI, covid-19 is just the last corona virus strain. There are several others, and they haven't gone anywhere. They together with the common flu kills hundreds of thousands world wide every year. You might at your age die from the flu instead of the Covid-19. 

Indeed, but would my death cert say flu or covid?

[scammed]

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Classic diversionary what about-ism. The issue here is this pandemic which is about a massively infectious virus that if left to run unchecked as seems to be the current radical fascist political agenda (cull the herd) will indeed cause many millions of unneccesary deaths. If you want to talk about diabetes, start a new topic elsewhere.

no, its a holistic approach, the video that was censored

show proof that the preoccupation of covid has costed many more lives in all other areas, and will continue to cost more lives

Edited October 18, 2020 by scammed

[Jingthing]

45 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed, but would my death cert say flu or covid?

If you had flu and Covid-19 at the same time that would be a reasonable question.

[Jeffr2]

36 minutes ago, scammed said:

no, its a holistic approach, the video that was censored

show proof that the preoccupation of covid has costed many more lives in all other areas, and will continue to cost more lives

The video was censored and you say it shows proof?  Right....

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

The video was censored and you say it shows proof?  Right....

Good point. 

Though its no doubt true that there is a price in more extreme lockdown policies.

Such factors are legitimate to consider when deciding on public health policies. 

But it's a very long way from that to supporting the mass murdering and scientifically illegitimate policy of herd immunity without a vaccine.

[Jeffr2]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Good point. 

Though its no doubt true that there is a price in more extreme lockdown policies.

Such factors are legitimate to consider when deciding on public health policies. 

But it's a very long way from that to supporting the mass murdering and scientifically illegitimate policy of herd immunity without a vaccine.

And a very long way from supporting the death of the frail and elderly just so you can go out to the bar.

[scammed]

28 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

And a very long way from supporting the death of the frail and elderly just so you can go out to the bar.

or go to work, everything that makes the world go around

[Scott]

A post with misleading and false information has been removed.   If you are going to say some place has reached 'herd immunity' please provide supporting evidence.  

 

Continuing to post false information will earn a suspension.  

 

 

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, scammed said:

or go to work, everything that makes the world go around

Most folk I know still went to work.  Either remotely or in person, with masks, social distancing, etc.

 

Work is necessary.  Going to the bar and not practicing safety standards is not.

[scammed]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

Most folk I know still went to work.  Either remotely or in person, with masks, social distancing, etc.

 

Work is necessary.  Going to the bar and not practicing safety standards is not.

ask around the many resturants and bars in thailand how they feel about it economically, and especially ask the staff.

i literally bumped into a girl that had been made unemployed in the hdd factory and went on to sit in a bar to get at least some money

Edited October 18, 2020 by scammed

[Jeffr2]

4 minutes ago, PatrickC said:

 

Oh please there is no mass murder happening. Settle down and stop making hysterical allegations.

 

People are dying of a disease. People die of other diseases. Welcome to the human condition. No one is committing murder here.

 

To label anyone a murderer is idiotic nonsense and I'm quite sick of this "going outside is murder" mentality. We're losing everything it is to be human to this sensationalism.

 

This disease is infectious, but not massively infectious. Please choose more measured wording. We don't need people like you running around screaming that we're all going to die.

 

We need calm heads and to carry on. Life will be fine and the vast majority of the species will carry on. In 3 or 4 years this will be a distant memory.

You really need a better source for your news.  It is massively infectious.  And those suggesting herd immunity are recommending mass murder. 

 

Calm heads do like JT says.  Practice what the medical experts say and we'll all be better off.  The US is doing terrible with 200k+ deaths.  Suggesting herd immunity is insane.

 

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/88401

 

Using the WHO (65%) and CDC (0.65%) figures, 213 million people in the U.S. would need to be infected to achieve herd immunity, leaving 1,385,800 Americans dead.

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, scammed said:

ask around the many resturants and bars in thailand how they feel about it economically, and especially ask the staff.

i literally bumped into a girl that had been made unemployed in the hdd factory and went on to sit in a bar to get at least some money

You're mixing things up.  They are still working, but have no customers due to the border being locked down.  That's not happening in the West.  They aren't under lock downs like we are.

 

Many people aren't going out because the virus is raging.  Reduce the threat and people will go out again. 

 

Tough times and no easy answers.

[scammed]

5 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

You're mixing things up.  They are still working, but have no customers due to the border being locked down.  That's not happening in the West.  They aren't under lock downs like we are.

 

Many people aren't going out because the virus is raging.  Reduce the threat and people will go out again. 

 

Tough times and no easy answers.

i cant speak for others, but for me the reason im not going to bars is because im not interested any more,

if i were, corona would be the least of my worries

[Jeffr2]

26 minutes ago, scammed said:

i cant speak for others, but for me the reason im not going to bars is because im not interested any more,

if i were, corona would be the least of my worries

I'm the same.  Not interested in bars any more.  But do enjoy live music, restaurants, malls, etc.  I'm not worried here in Thailand.  But my friends in the US are worried about even going to the grocery store.  And I guess for good reasons.  The virus is on a rage again.

 

Time to practice what the medical experts say.  Get the virus under control.  And get back with our lives.

[TeaMonkey]

Sweden 

 

Predicted mortality 2020 compared to 2001-2019

 

 

[TeaMonkey]

Sweden

 

Impact by age group

 

 

[scammed]

8 minutes ago, TeaMonkey said:

Sweden 

 

Predicted mortality 2020 compared to 2001-2019

 

 

and here we all thought it was bambi land prior to covid

when nobody died, or suffered

Edited October 18, 2020 by scammed

[Odysseus123]

21 hours ago, Brunolem said:

As Ben Franklin said: "those who are ready to sacrifice their freedom in exchange for more security deserve neither one, nor the other". 

Ben Franklin was a man of the Enlightenment.He knew of and admired the work of Dr Edward Jenner (amongst others)whose pioneering work ultimately saved the lives of untold millions..

 

I doubt he'd give a ratz adze about the irrational conspiratorial fringe of right wing American politics (and Germany and the UK) and their constant denial of science in their pursuit of ideological goals far beyond any of those of the Enlightenment.

 

Steven Pinker,

 

'Enlightenment Now-the case for reason,science,humanism and progress.'

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